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Not particularly impressed with the T3. Got really fucking hot 24/7 and sweated a bunch, but only lost about 5-10 lbs. My cycle ran 50mcg/day wk 1 100 mcg/day wk 2 150 mcg/day wk 3-6 100/day wk 7 50/day wk 8 25/day wk 9. I weigh 315, so I am thinking I might have needed more than the average guy. Didn't lose any muscle, thank god!! No thyroid probs at all--it's been 3 months and I haven't gained an ounce back.
getbig27 said:
just came off this week, really didnt do much, i was on a test fina clen t3 so i was gaing weight, was pissed at first because all i saw was water from the test, but when the water started to fall off i saw the results, mabey a couple bf %. i had the mecican CYNOMEL. i ramped up qickly to 75 a day ran that for 15 days and then tapered very slowly.
good luck
Bro I have been hypothyroid since age 12. Believe me when I say that I AM A GURU on the thyroid.
PLEASE!!! do not mess with the thyroid!! It does not rebound like the hypothalamus and the testes do. One cycle of t3 and you could be screwed for life bro and on replacement forever!
Taking t3 or t4 will results in weight loss that is true BUT you will loose hard earned muscle mass FOR SURE...even if only on a few weeks.
Not only that but you will feel like shit, sweat like a pig at night, be on edge all the time, be VERY tired... and all this before a contest!
I recommend moderate intensity aerobics every day for 45 minutes. Also get out and walk walk walk as this low intensity exercise really burns fat well and uses up little glycogen.
PLEASE!!! do not mess with the thyroid!! It does not rebound like the hypothalamus and the testes do. One cycle of t3 and you could be screwed for life bro and on replacement forever!
Taking t3 or t4 will results in weight loss that is true BUT you will loose hard earned muscle mass FOR SURE...even if only on a few weeks.
Not only that but you will feel like shit, sweat like a pig at night, be on edge all the time, be VERY tired... and all this before a contest!
I recommend moderate intensity aerobics every day for 45 minutes. Also get out and walk walk walk as this low intensity exercise really burns fat well and uses up little glycogen.
Stan O'Zolol
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Realgains said:Bro I have been hypothyroid since age 12. Believe me when I say that I AM A GURU on the thyroid.
PLEASE!!! do not mess with the thyroid!! It does not rebound like the hypothalamus and the testes do. One cycle of t3 and you could be screwed for life bro and on replacement forever!
Taking t3 or t4 will results in weight loss that is true BUT you will loose hard earned muscle mass FOR SURE...even if only on a few weeks.
Not only that but you will feel like shit, sweat like a pig at night, be on edge all the time, be VERY tired... and all this before a contest!
I recommend moderate intensity aerobics every day for 45 minutes. Also get out and walk walk walk as this low intensity exercise really burns fat well and uses up little glycogen.
Post some studies or something of substance to back up your claims. Your post contradicts what most on this board and others believe.
Why would I bull shit about something like this? Talk to any endochrinologist bro and find out the truth. There are plenty of bro's that stay clear of T3 too and for the above reasons.
I am not saying that the thyroid WILL NOT rebound, but rather that it does not rebound as well as the testes.
What I can garauntee you is that the high round the clock metabolism created by using T3 will burn muscle tissue too and not just fat...not to mention you will feel like shit!
I am telling you guys the truth.
I am not saying that the thyroid WILL NOT rebound, but rather that it does not rebound as well as the testes.
What I can garauntee you is that the high round the clock metabolism created by using T3 will burn muscle tissue too and not just fat...not to mention you will feel like shit!
I am telling you guys the truth.
DTOX
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If T3 was so bad why would they prescribe it for depression (and risk shutting down people's thyroid?)
Also, I have relatives that were prescribed *supplemental* thyroid meds in order to bring them up to optimimum levels, not as a replacement and their thyroid has not "shut down".
And as already been said before, if one has sub-optimal thyroid levels, bringing them up to optimal levels will *increase* anabolism. (Which is why some people add 5mcg or 12.5mcg a day of T3 to their cycles).
Hypothyroid people are not musclebound, they're just fat. And Muscle catabolism will only be a problem if one goes above optimum levels.
Before people make brash general statements about T3 use they should always take dosage into consideration and also the metabolism of the person taking it.
Also, I have relatives that were prescribed *supplemental* thyroid meds in order to bring them up to optimimum levels, not as a replacement and their thyroid has not "shut down".
And as already been said before, if one has sub-optimal thyroid levels, bringing them up to optimal levels will *increase* anabolism. (Which is why some people add 5mcg or 12.5mcg a day of T3 to their cycles).
Hypothyroid people are not musclebound, they're just fat. And Muscle catabolism will only be a problem if one goes above optimum levels.
Before people make brash general statements about T3 use they should always take dosage into consideration and also the metabolism of the person taking it.
ready2explode
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i found no diff between 50mcg and 300mcg
DTOX the people that bet the t3 for depression already have sub normal levels of thryoid hormone in their system...thats why they are depressed, usually.
Your relatives take t3 because they need it to reach normal levels.
We are not talking about people bumping up from sub normal or even from low normal to high normal levels here bro. (and this is darn tricky to do BTW)
In order to see much in the way of increased metabolism for fat loss reasons one needs to take a fairly big dose. That is how t3 is taken by bodybuilders bro....at least all the one I know who use it.
When you bump it up to noticable levels then your own thyroid COMPLETELY SHUTS DOWN!!! and it takes a LONG TIME for it to come back....so ....after you stop the t3 you will have sub normal levels for quite some and you will feel depressed, tired, and will probably gain some fat. Some peoples levels NEVER return to normal.
I have used too much thyroid hormone by mistake for a short time and I really felt like shit. I also lost some muscle mass and I was on cycle.
Do those that will listen I say please do not use T3 as it is simply too risky and the feeling while on sucks the big one.
Realgains... hypothyroid since age 12
Your relatives take t3 because they need it to reach normal levels.
We are not talking about people bumping up from sub normal or even from low normal to high normal levels here bro. (and this is darn tricky to do BTW)
In order to see much in the way of increased metabolism for fat loss reasons one needs to take a fairly big dose. That is how t3 is taken by bodybuilders bro....at least all the one I know who use it.
When you bump it up to noticable levels then your own thyroid COMPLETELY SHUTS DOWN!!! and it takes a LONG TIME for it to come back....so ....after you stop the t3 you will have sub normal levels for quite some and you will feel depressed, tired, and will probably gain some fat. Some peoples levels NEVER return to normal.
I have used too much thyroid hormone by mistake for a short time and I really felt like shit. I also lost some muscle mass and I was on cycle.
Do those that will listen I say please do not use T3 as it is simply too risky and the feeling while on sucks the big one.Realgains... hypothyroid since age 12
i ramped up to 40 mcg a day, and i am jsut finishing, i could eat more and still keep the weight off. For around 50 cents a day, i dont see a prob with low dose use while on cycle to help with pro synth. Your thryoid will not shut down unless you go extrememly high, such as contest athletes will, and anyone who competes in this sport is near suicidal (not a dis), and really living on t3 is the least of the worries for some pro bber's.
painly
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DTOX
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Realgains said:
Oddly enough I think it's prescribed in conjunction with other anti-depressants moreso because of some odd synergy it has. From what I read Whether or not all depressed people gaining benefit from T3 have sub normal levels of thyroid hormone in their system I cannot say.
I agree with you about exercising caution though. Personally I plan on using T3 in order to bump me up to optimum levels while dieting, not to raise my morning body temp to 99 degrees and pop T3 like it's candy.
DTOX I think we are on the same wave length.....you're talking about very modest doses but I was speaking about the higher doses that I have seen many use. These are really the more common in higher levels of competition and these high doses can really mess you up.
Even low doses shouldn't be used for more than a few weeks IMO as ones own thyroid function will drop off to compensate, and again, the thyroid doesn't rebound as quickly as the testes so if that happens then you will feel like crap and probably gain a little fat unless aerobics are increased.
BTW every once and a while I need a dose change. I think it has to do with my body weight. I can tell when I am getting low cause I seem to be fighting depression. It is harder to tell when you are too high but fatigue is a good indicator as is a slightly higher pulse rate at rest.
I like to run my thyroid at the upper normal range.
Hey, when all you guys get a little older and your natural thyroid function starts to slow I will still have the thyroid function of a normal 20 year old cause I can play with my doses....I guess that is the only good thing about being on thyroid replacement
Even low doses shouldn't be used for more than a few weeks IMO as ones own thyroid function will drop off to compensate, and again, the thyroid doesn't rebound as quickly as the testes so if that happens then you will feel like crap and probably gain a little fat unless aerobics are increased.
BTW every once and a while I need a dose change. I think it has to do with my body weight. I can tell when I am getting low cause I seem to be fighting depression. It is harder to tell when you are too high but fatigue is a good indicator as is a slightly higher pulse rate at rest.
I like to run my thyroid at the upper normal range.
Hey, when all you guys get a little older and your natural thyroid function starts to slow I will still have the thyroid function of a normal 20 year old cause I can play with my doses....I guess that is the only good thing about being on thyroid replacement
str8cubano
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Realgains said:
what do you consider a high dose?
DTOX
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str8cubano said:
I don't view T3 use that way. I think that one should take enough T3 in order to bring oneself up to optimum thyroid levels (high-end of normal).
While blood tests would probably do this the best, I was planning on using the method my hypothyroid friend uses. I'll have to ask him again, but it's something along the lines of taking his body temperature every morning immediatly upon rising and if it's below 98.1 for a week to bump up his dosage slightly. But again, I'll have to ask him to confirm I remember this correctly.
DTOX I don't think taking ones temp in the morning is a very good indicator. Each persons set point is a little different. Too many other variables too.
Bro going from low normal to high normal is VERY tricky to say the least. The bump needed to do this would be very small, perhaps as little as 5- 10 Mcg of T3.
Most young men run in the mid to high normal range anyway. I doubt that your level is in the low normal range as this usually is more common with females and older men. Even most females run in the mid normal range.
I would recommend that you take your blood TSH(Thryroid stimulating Hormone) level . TSH is by far the best indicator of thyroid function. Normals run from .5 to around 4.5. You want to be around .5 to 1.5 or 2.
I likeT4 anyway because blood levels are easier to maintain(half life of 6 days) and it is cheaper.
T4 is converted to T3 in the body. T3 is considered to be the most active hormone but T4 is active to some degree as well. You don't need to take T3 at all because the body will convert the T4 to T3.
I recommned taking about 50 Mcg of T4 for a mild affect. Take it for a few weeks or a month at the most and then stop. It will hang around for a couple of weeks after that and the gradual elimination will allow your thyroid to slowly resume optimum T3 and T4 production....kind of like tapering with steroids, but with the thyroid it is a good idea.
In a few weeks time your thyroid will shut down enough to compensate for the extra hormone so the hyper metabolism will vanish and you will return to a normal blood level for your body mass.
For the more aggressive you could go to 100Mcg per day but no more than that. At that level your thyroid would probably shut down production by at least half. 200 Mcg or less will completely shut you down. Then the thyroid goes to sleep and can be hard to wake up...or at least slow to wake up.
I take 200Mcg per day, but remember my thyroid is dead.
Realgains hypothyroid since 12 and 40 now
Bro going from low normal to high normal is VERY tricky to say the least. The bump needed to do this would be very small, perhaps as little as 5- 10 Mcg of T3.
Most young men run in the mid to high normal range anyway. I doubt that your level is in the low normal range as this usually is more common with females and older men. Even most females run in the mid normal range.
I would recommend that you take your blood TSH(Thryroid stimulating Hormone) level . TSH is by far the best indicator of thyroid function. Normals run from .5 to around 4.5. You want to be around .5 to 1.5 or 2.
I likeT4 anyway because blood levels are easier to maintain(half life of 6 days) and it is cheaper.
T4 is converted to T3 in the body. T3 is considered to be the most active hormone but T4 is active to some degree as well. You don't need to take T3 at all because the body will convert the T4 to T3.
I recommned taking about 50 Mcg of T4 for a mild affect. Take it for a few weeks or a month at the most and then stop. It will hang around for a couple of weeks after that and the gradual elimination will allow your thyroid to slowly resume optimum T3 and T4 production....kind of like tapering with steroids, but with the thyroid it is a good idea.
In a few weeks time your thyroid will shut down enough to compensate for the extra hormone so the hyper metabolism will vanish and you will return to a normal blood level for your body mass.
For the more aggressive you could go to 100Mcg per day but no more than that. At that level your thyroid would probably shut down production by at least half. 200 Mcg or less will completely shut you down. Then the thyroid goes to sleep and can be hard to wake up...or at least slow to wake up.
I take 200Mcg per day, but remember my thyroid is dead.
Realgains hypothyroid since 12 and 40 nowreal gains, i liek your open minded view, as opposed to your earlier posts attitude. Let me suggest the using t3 in a laddering such as is primarily done with this drug, for rec use. Will no gradually declining let your thyroid eventually take over, adn also help not get that quick amount of fat deposit that happens when you immedietly stop?? I also think t3 is a good drug in the fact that there are very rarely any problems with immediate sides, such as heart attacks and the like, and in my opinion made me feel batter and happy.
Painly
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Well when I saw that I was talking to guys that would take it in moderation I opened up a little.........problem is I know of some guys that take it in very large doses and for a long time...well over a month...and they really get scewed up.
Still like T4 due to its long half life and esay taper.
Realgains hypothyroid since age 12 
Still like T4 due to its long half life and esay taper.
Realgains hypothyroid since age 12
That's actually a fairly low dose.
Realgains, some help pls:
I had my TSH measured pre-T3 cycle and it was 1.0 (ok).
I then began a T3 taper - from 25 to 100mcg (I'm at 75 right now) and slowly back down to 12.5 over the course of 36 days. I'm only on 100 for 6 days.
Tomorrow will be my 16th day on-cycle and the first day I'm doing 100mcg - incidentally I'm also having my blood tests done again tomorrow (I don't wanna fuck anything up). What do I want to see to know that I'm ok?
Thx.
Realgains, some help pls:
I had my TSH measured pre-T3 cycle and it was 1.0 (ok).
I then began a T3 taper - from 25 to 100mcg (I'm at 75 right now) and slowly back down to 12.5 over the course of 36 days. I'm only on 100 for 6 days.
Tomorrow will be my 16th day on-cycle and the first day I'm doing 100mcg - incidentally I'm also having my blood tests done again tomorrow (I don't wanna fuck anything up). What do I want to see to know that I'm ok?
Thx.
That is ver moderate.Alot of guys are sky-rocketing up to 150+mcg daily.
Daman your pre T3 TSH is high normal and is excellent.
Your TSH should be very low, and that will be normal. I bet it will be less than .01. That's okay cause you are on for a short time but expect your MD to freak. HOWEVER, your thyroid may have adapted to the decrease in TSH from the Pituitary by reducing T3 and T4 output by this time . Your TSH may be in the normal range as a result but probably not yet.
TSH will start to drop almost immediately after you take your first T3 pill. Eventually, if taken long enough, your thyroid will shut down as it will not have any enough TSH to stimulate it. At 75-100Mcg it will not shut down all the way(most people) What happens is the body is always trying to get to Euthyroid levels(normals) Give it more in pill form and the Pituitary will sence this immediately and reduce TSH...less TSH means less stimuation for the thyroid and less T3 and T4 are produced. The Thyroid is slower to repond to TSH than the pituitary is to T3 so this takes a little time.
There really is no need to taper up T3. Your young healthy body and heart can easily handle the immediate affects of 75-100Mcg of T3. If you were 75 and had a weak heart then taper up. hehe he REALLY!
Again, I recommend T4, as it is self tapering, with a half life of 6 days. Remember T4 converts to T3 in the body. Also, T4 is an active hormone too so if you take T4 you get T4 and the all the T3 you need through conversion of T4 to T3.
People with hypothyroidism take T4 because of its long half life but also because T4 is an active hromone too....T3 is the main hormone at the cellular level but T4 does have some affect directly.
Just pop one 100 Mcg pill of T4 each day for 21 days and then stop.
Ya some guys jump right into 150Mcg of T3 and stay on for a month....These guys are playing with fire. 150 Mcg will shut the thyroid down completely after a few weeks. I know of one fellow that did htis to make weight in boxing and now he is on T4 supplement for the rest of his life. He stayed at 150Mcg T3 for two months!!
Your TSH should be very low, and that will be normal. I bet it will be less than .01. That's okay cause you are on for a short time but expect your MD to freak. HOWEVER, your thyroid may have adapted to the decrease in TSH from the Pituitary by reducing T3 and T4 output by this time . Your TSH may be in the normal range as a result but probably not yet.
TSH will start to drop almost immediately after you take your first T3 pill. Eventually, if taken long enough, your thyroid will shut down as it will not have any enough TSH to stimulate it. At 75-100Mcg it will not shut down all the way(most people) What happens is the body is always trying to get to Euthyroid levels(normals) Give it more in pill form and the Pituitary will sence this immediately and reduce TSH...less TSH means less stimuation for the thyroid and less T3 and T4 are produced. The Thyroid is slower to repond to TSH than the pituitary is to T3 so this takes a little time.
There really is no need to taper up T3. Your young healthy body and heart can easily handle the immediate affects of 75-100Mcg of T3. If you were 75 and had a weak heart then taper up. hehe he REALLY!
Again, I recommend T4, as it is self tapering, with a half life of 6 days. Remember T4 converts to T3 in the body. Also, T4 is an active hormone too so if you take T4 you get T4 and the all the T3 you need through conversion of T4 to T3.
People with hypothyroidism take T4 because of its long half life but also because T4 is an active hromone too....T3 is the main hormone at the cellular level but T4 does have some affect directly.
Just pop one 100 Mcg pill of T4 each day for 21 days and then stop.
Ya some guys jump right into 150Mcg of T3 and stay on for a month....These guys are playing with fire. 150 Mcg will shut the thyroid down completely after a few weeks. I know of one fellow that did htis to make weight in boxing and now he is on T4 supplement for the rest of his life. He stayed at 150Mcg T3 for two months!!
Realgains, thanks for the intelligent feedback. I am in post-cycle and wanted to lose that extra fat. After reading your posts, I realize that the ECA and Clen are the way to go for me at this time. Why anyone would want to take something that is so risky for a loss of fat is beyond me. Just reading about the effects on temperature, mood, energy level, muscle atrophy, dependancy for life (potentially), I get the heebie-geebies. I leave this one to the Pro's who have the time to monitor themselves closely. Great info, Realgains. I guess I'll just stash my Cytomel until I am totally obsessed with the bodybuilding game or suicidal. The good thing is, it was cheap, so no big loss.
J
johnboy
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I got good results the first time
I got my first T3 from my source and it came in blister packs. . It worked excellent ! I lost a lot of fat and very little muscle. I would advise using gear when you use it because gear has an anti-catabolic effect. I would also throw in some clen.
The second time I ordered from a pharacy in UK and it came in a small bottle of 100 and it didn't seem to work as well. But I don't think I was doing cardio with it the second time so it was probably that.
I would read this article before taking it.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/cytomel.htm
I got my first T3 from my source and it came in blister packs. . It worked excellent ! I lost a lot of fat and very little muscle. I would advise using gear when you use it because gear has an anti-catabolic effect. I would also throw in some clen.
The second time I ordered from a pharacy in UK and it came in a small bottle of 100 and it didn't seem to work as well. But I don't think I was doing cardio with it the second time so it was probably that.
I would read this article before taking it.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/cytomel.htm
Hey realgains, I thought I was the only one on the board with hypothyroid, and btw dtox i'm musclebound and not a fat boy so i would say that not all hypothyroid people are fat, but I can tell you from experience realgains is right its bad to have thyroid problems always trying to balance it or you feel tired with out enough or turn red faced and sweat if your on to much get mad easy and depressed because you feel like poop most of the time and all cycles are different since i have be taking synthroid ALOT MORE SIDES than usual, so you need to think before taking a chance of messing thyroid up, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
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