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T3 messing up your thyroid-A Myth???

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syd black

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Has anyone on this board had trouble with there thyroid due to t3, or know anyone who has, im just curious if there is because if there isnt where in the hell is everyone coming up with this "that shit is dangerous" attitude? Is it just a rumor because the labels on the packs say this as a warning.

Im lookin for imput not flames, thanks
 
I've seen posters on various boards that it messed up their thyroids.

This appears to be from abuse though of too high a doseage for too long (by their own admission).

I've run a cycle of T3 without incident but I won't be doing it again (not worth it IMO).

Gel
 
Its not a myth bro.
I know people that abused it for long periods of time and it caused alot of unreversable damage.
 
no flaming here bro, its a legit question. I have often wondered the same. Im no where near being able to consider myself a guru when it comes to T3, therefore, Id rather not tell you if it will or will not have a chance of perminantly screwing up your thyroid. All I can say is that I have done my research and found a few studies where patients had been on long term T3 use, much much longer than the time frame suggested on these boards, and afterwards had their thyroid bounce back to normal with no problem. My personal thoughts on the matter, I tend to be very very careful with everything I put in my body, especially with those that have horror stories behind them, whether true or rumor. Just the chance that my thyroid might get permanently shut down scares me.
 
No myth, and not just anecdotal gym data. Exogenous T3 administration simply inhibits endogenous T3 synthesis. I've seen clinical data citing a thyroid recovery time of many months post T3 administration. As for permanent damage, I cannot comment (the studies may be out there though) - but I sure as hell don't want to be the guinea pig.
 
There's many ways you can look at the risks mate.

You could compare it to the 'will Test make me go bald' way of thinking.

A lot of people don't lose any then others do, some lose it worse than others and it could have a cumalative effect etc....

What I'm trying to say is that yes, the risk is low but it is still present and you have to look at the risk vs possible benefits which IMO makes T3 not a drug I'd recommend.
 
All good points, i'll bump this to see if there are any members who have had trouble to maybe get there point of view.
thanks
 
syd black said:
Ya but what about t3 and clen, damn good for cutting.
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throw in 600mg primo, some efedrine, low cals, and little cardio and that fat is history!!!;)
 
Some people are more sensitive to T3 than others.

When you are using a synthetic hormone (like T3, Testosterone...), it replaces your normal natural output. It's that simple. That's what we call being shutdown.

Average T3 use will shut you down for 4-6 weeks.

You guys have to remember that some folks use T3 at 250-300mcg a day. That will cause irreversible damage (especially in the heart)
 
Ya but what about t3 and clen, damn good for cutting
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IMO, t3 not only cuts fat but also cuts off muscle and I can do that from dieting alone! I am trying it now probably for the last time as it scares me. This time I have backed it with 400 mg/week testosterone and guess what? I have still lost a noticeable amount of muscle in just the last week. Even with the clen stacked with it. So based on my experience, it is probably not worth the risk in taking it. It just speeds up a process that I can accomplish anyway by dieting alone. So I will be beginning the LONG taper off of this stuff soon.


throw in 600mg primo, some efedrine, low cals, and little cardio and that fat is history!!!
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Problem with ephedrine is that I used to live on the stuff to prop me up because of bad fatigue problems. That was before anyone knew that I had testosterone levels off the bottom of the chart and before I was put on HRT. I used effedrine tablets along with caffeine tablets to energize my workouts at the gym. Funny thing is that everyone was convinced that I used steroids even though I had never used any up to that point and on top of it I also had low testosterone to boot (so if you were ever wondering if it is possible to build and maintain a respectable physique without much testosterone here it is--it is called making up for it by brute force and stimulants in the workouts)! But getting back to ephedrine, overuse eventually caused me to develop hypertension and it never went away even after I swore off of the stuff years ago so I have to take blood pressure meds ever since. So even ephedrine has some risks as well.
 
very true about efedrine.

but i'm not talking about long term use. what i mean is a 1-2 month cycle of clen, t3, efedrine, primo.

shouldnt cause any long term damage.
 
but i'm not talking about long term use. what i mean is a 1-2 month cycle of clen, t3, efedrine, primo.
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I wouldn't advise using t3 for 2 months at all. You don't need to take much time to ramp it up to max dosage but it takes a good two weeks plus to properly taper it down to get off of it and from everything I have read, you should not be on it much over 1 month so you really are at max dosage for only about two weeks from my experience. My previous use in this manner has not caused any measurable thyroid function problems so far.

What you say is correct in the spirit that moderation is the best policy. Most things not abused will probably not cause permanent harm and many times the benefits may outweigh the negatives.

My use of ephedrine would clearly be considered abuse because I was combating a bad fatigue problem at the time and wasn't willing to quit working out and just lay around and sleep. In fact it was making me angry that I had no energy. So that was the best solution I could come up with at the time. I even had a physician that was willing to prescribe stimulant drugs to combat the fatigue to help me out for work, etc. So they didn't have any better solution at the time either. I bought mine over the counter from the pharmacy.
 
by the way...

the most t3 i'd do per day is 25mcg just to speed up protein synthesis.
 
I don't think there is any strict evidence saying t3 will cause permenant shutdown, but I wouldn't wanna play around with it. Why risk it if there is even some anecdotal evidence?

On a similar note, how long does it usually take for t3 levels to recover after a few weeks of t3 usage?

-sk
 
On a similar note, how long does it usually take for t3 levels to recover after a few weeks of t3 usage?
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I don't have any good data on this to be honest. I believe about 4 to 6 weeks depending on how you taper off. I tend to bring it down very slowly. The most I have ever done is 80 mcg per day in four doses throughout the day. When I taper it, I come down a little faster at first but then go very slow towards the second half of the taper, dropping around 12.5 mcg every four days or so--so it really does take a while to get completely off. I haven't suffered any measurable problems doing it this way so far.

Satch, 25 mcg per day is a pretty low dose. Do you feel it works very well at that dose for the two months? Do you also taper this down to 12.5 mcg per day for a few days to a week before going off?
 
I was considering running it at 25mcg in my next bulker for the same purpose. I actually just opened another thread on the same topic. I curious as to the results this would yield.
 
BigAndy69 said:
25mcg is not a good dose...it is a FULL replacement dose.

12.5mcg is better, it puts you in the upper range and doesn't shut you down.
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What do you mean full replacement?

I thought the body produces around 12mcg of t3 a day? Maybe I am getting my numbers mixed up though.

-sk
 
T3 adminsitered from an expgenous source puts a STRONG negative feedback signal on your thyroid.

This leads to a shutdown of endogenous T3 production and, after a long enough time period, thyroid atrophy. If your thyroid goes into a state of atrophy, it's difficult if not impossible to get back to normal.

However, that being said, a dosage of 50-100 mcg daily for up to 4 or 6 weeks won't cause atrophy so severe that it's irreversible. THIS IS PROVIDED THAT THE DRUG IS TAPERED UP SLOWLY AND DOWN EVEN MORE SLOWLY. You should peak cycle the drug for only 4 weeks, with the first week being the upward taper, and the downward taper should take approx. 2 weeks - weeks 5 and 6. So, start in week 1 and take 7 days to reach peak dosage. Keep peak dosage until week 4. Taper from end of week four until end of week 6, decreasing the dosage EACH day by a small amount until the next day in your pattern would naturally take you to zero.

Good luck, bro!
-M
 
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good stuff doctorm.

bigandy.. care to elaborate on your above statement?

thanks
 
From personal experience, I felt 25mcg of T3 was a waste of time. I felt terrible (no muscle pump) and tired. I felt great on 12.5mcg and it produced more fatloss than 25mcg (plus I had a good muscle pump during the day)
 
I never change my dose fo rat least three days to refrain in any sudden changes...thi shas worked well for me...

ex:25,25,25,50,50,50,75,75,75,100,100,100,125,125,125,100,100,100,75,75,75,50,50,50,25,25,25...you could even go down to 12.5 to being safer bu tI don't think it is needed. We all have our objective and subjective opinions, keep that in mind...

I feel like shit on T3 though, rather take clen anyday over it...
 
sk* said:


What do you mean full replacement?

I thought the body produces around 12mcg of t3 a day? Maybe I am getting my numbers mixed up though.

-sk
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No bro, the body produces the equivalent of 25mcg of T3/100mcg of T4 a day

Problem with t3 is that it is very easily destroyed by stomach acid so it MUST be taken as soon as you wake up and make sure you don't eat for at least 30min.
 
BigAndy69 said:


No bro, the body produces the equivalent of 25mcg of T3/100mcg of T4 a day

Problem with t3 is that it is very easily destroyed by stomach acid so it MUST be taken as soon as you wake up and make sure you don't eat for at least 30min.
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So if the body produces about 25mcg, wouldn't 12.5mcg be counterproductive since it is lower than the natural amount?

Thanks for the help. :)

-sk
 
sk* said:


So if the body produces about 25mcg, wouldn't 12.5mcg be counterproductive since it is lower than the natural amount?

Thanks for the help. :)

-sk
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I believe he's saying that if you go up to 25mcg, you'll face more suppression than if you ran 12.5mcg. At 12.5mcg the suppression is very small, so you get that 12.5mcg in addition to your natural T3 levels.

I haven't seen any science behind this, but I've heard plenty of anecdotal evidence that sub 25mcg doses are minimally suppressive and still offer plenty of benefit.
 
Still nobody that has experienced personal problems, thats good to see.

Someone spoke of shit pumps while on t3, my roomaste is telling me he has never experienced pumps like he is having while on t3, of course hes taking eq and tren so...:)
 
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