Sus and Primo or just Primo????

[02gixxersix]

I thinking for my next cycle I might give primo a try. I'm gonna do a long cycle.........like 20 weeks or so, (don't try to talk me out of it I like long cycles and have no trouble recovering), but I can't decide whether to do sus and primo both at 500mgs ew or just primo. If I do just primo Imight bump it to as much as a gram a week. I hear somany guys saying that they would love to see the results of someone who runs a gram of primo weekly so I'm thinking about it. Any comments???? BTW this is a long time off so I'm just dreaming as of now.

 

[02gixxersix]

Also would you run primo at a gram for 10 weeks or 500mgs for 20 weeks????

 

[majutsu]

Damn buddy this is just the question I am wondering. I will post tonight/tomorrow a primer on steroid biochem, but I'm starting to wonder this same thing about the AR receptor. 1 gm primo should cover it , no ancillaries, a little pct and good coverage . . . I don't know, I hope to have an answer soon. I've done both and have a subjective view, but I totally see where you are going -- substainable long-term anabolic activity. Me too ... great post -- no clear answers yet

 

[02gixxersix]

Thanks bro larma for you. Any input is much appreciated especially if I'm gonna shell out all this money for some primo lol. I'm almost leaning towards 500mgs for 20 weeks without the sus just to give it a try.

 

[majutsu]

Although I'm showing my hand, I don't think 500 is going to quite maximize the anabolic receptor. I think a gram would get close. Then if you include a non-ar binding agent like anadrol, you might have the perfect stack for optimal anabolism. But I don't know will post after gym I hope.

 

[bicepts101]

I thinking for my next cycle I might give primo a try. I'm gonna do a long cycle.........like 20 weeks or so, (don't try to talk me out of it I like long cycles and have no trouble recovering), but I can't decide whether to do sus and primo both at 500mgs ew or just primo. If I do just primo Imight bump it to as much as a gram a week. I hear somany guys saying that they would love to see the results of someone who runs a gram of primo weekly so I'm thinking about it. Any comments???? BTW this is a long time off so I'm just dreaming as of now.

run it at 800mg for as long as you can. around 14 wks i beleive.

if you can afford 1g for 12 weeks do that instead.

 

[Bonkme2]

Satch, the Primo king, is on a gram a week, isn't he?

I'm sure he'll chime in with some words of wisdom.

 

[02gixxersix]

i hit you guys with karma but I have to spread it around before I hit Bicepts again. thanks tho guys.

 

[babbabuee]

what up gsxr. sounds like you got a decent cycle ahead of you. I would 100% definitely run test with the primo. Primo killed my sex drive so in the future, i'll run test with it.
but my question to you is during your proposed long cycle, do you expect to continually see gains throughout? or is it just a matter of staying on longer to ensure you keep your gains?

 

[02gixxersix]

what up gsxr. sounds like you got a decent cycle ahead of you. I would 100% definitely run test with the primo. Primo killed my sex drive so in the future, i'll run test with it.
but my question to you is during your proposed long cycle, do you expect to continually see gains throughout? or is it just a matter of staying on longer to ensure you keep your gains?

Well in the past when I did a long cycle I see a lot of gains in the beginning and then they taper off, but then they seem to pick up again. I continually see strength gains and if anything I can cut some fat later on in the cycle and not lose any weight. To be honest with you I just like being on so I like longer cycles. I had a cycle planned out but then I decided I want some primo. I was gonna run sus and eq with dbol in the beginning and fina at the end for 16 weeks. I don't know if I want to shell out the money for 20 weeks of primo, even though I'd love to. Another thing I did when my gains tapered off during my last cycle was run a few weeks of insulin and some anadrol. I have prolly like a good 3 or 4 months before I'm gonna be on again so I have a lot of time to decide.

 

[Big BX]

Bumped my primo to 800mgs a week, today . IMO, it is the best AAS for quality muscle. Going to add 400mg dubol and 400mg test suspension for 4 weeks soon. Then I will cut the primo down to 500mg week.

 

[TheRide]

A gram of Primo???? I assume $$$ is no object!!
Hit the sus250 for 10 weeks and the primo for 20.... I guess...
Too long of a cycle for my tastes...

 

[02gixxersix]

Nah money is an object, it all depends on what kind of bonus I get from the military. Plus I don't think I would have ANY troule recovering from that long on primo.

 

[Mavy]

Eh bro, why not hit a gram but at a different ratio. Try Primo at 700/wk and test cyp at 300/wk. You are still mostly anabolic with some of the test benefits in their as well. maybe a kickstart with some dbol or var as well if you wanted. I personally wouldnt run anything for 20wks., just because I have seen it happen to many bros, and your gains just start diminishing after 10-12 wks. Even less for me, my cycles now are 8 wks max. Is it worth supressing yourself longer for another 10-12wks (3 MONTHS), for an extra 5lbs. when you could take the time off and run it again fresh and add 15lbs instead.

Take these 2 examples for instance. Here are the scenarious. We will look at wk1 up to say about wk 50. Which scenario do you think will leave you with more of a net gain. In both scenarios you will be running 20 wks worth of gear. The first one is one long cycle, with 1 long time of, the second is 2 shorter ones with a shorter time off. At wk 50, which one do you think would have more muscle...

Option1.
Wk 1-20
Test: 300mgs/wk
Primo: 700mgs/wk

Wk 23-26
PCT


or...


Option2.

Wk1-10
Test:300mgs/wk
Primo: 700mgs/wk

Wk13-15
PCT

Wk15-25
Train naturally
Creatine
Glutamine
Try hard to maintain gains.

Wk26-36
Test:300mgs/wk
Primo: 700mgs/wk

wk37-40
PCT


By the time wk 50 rolls around, Im sure that you will agree that the person who runs the 2 shorter cycles will have more muscle. Plus he would have restored his HPTA in between cycles. Scenario 1 would probably have his test levels back up as well, but it probably took him a good 15 wks to get it back.

A scenario of the gains.

Option1.
Gains 15lbs of lean muscle in the first 10wks.
Gains only another 5lbs in the next 10wks
Net gain=20lbs.

Option2.
Gains 15lbs of lean muscle on the first 10wk cycle.
Gains another 15lbs of lean muscle on the next 10wk cycle
Net gain=30lbs.
Plus ... these gains are spread out over a longer time so the body has more time to adapt better to handling the newly added mass (2 chunks of 15lbs over a longer time, instead of 1 chunk of 20lbs at once). These are just ficticious numbers, but you get my drift? I think that the longer cycles are hindering your gains, where you could be getting more muscle by breaking it into more, and shorter cycles. Just my opinion bro.

Mavy

 

[Mavy]

You have to remember that your body can only take on so much mass in a cycle. You have to find what this threshold is. Once you find this, you will have better luck holding onto your gains. Because you gained 15lbs in the first 10wks, dosent mean that you will gain 60lbs in 40wks.

But on the other hand there are many people who run super long cycles. Not only do i think that its harder on the body, but i dont think that you are getting any bigger than the folks who break their cycles up.

 

[02gixxersix]

Wow Mavy I wish I could give you more karma than usual bro. That was a great response and very good point. I'm the same way as far asmy gains diminishing around week 8. I still gian but just at a much slower rate. I think I may rethink the next one being a long cycle. I just hate coming off so I have a lot more fun with long cycles. I'm gonna have to think hard about the primo thing because it is so expensive. I might just run primo at a gram a week for 10weeks and maybe 250mgs of sus a week as well with a dbol kickstart. It's still gonna cost me a fortune. Thanks again for the great input!!!

 

[Mavy]

Hehehehe ... I was hoping you might change your mind after seeing it like that. Sure it may seem like 2 sissy cycles compared to one SICK cycle, but I really think that not only would it be better for your body, but you will actuall end up with more muscle after all is said and done. I here you though bro, coming off sucks! But look at it this way, coming off from 10wks wont suck as bad as coming off from 20wks! You will also have more time inbetween to save up for some more primo! hehehe. I think that primo would honestly be the only substance that I would run straight at a gram per week. Im sure that arnold used it at a gram or higher. We all know that he was a primo fan, and Im sure he wasnt doing no 400mgs/wk. I think that you got it with
the low dose of sust, which will accumulate over the 10wks, and the dbol kickstart also. Again this dosent have to be anything spectacular, maybe 20mgs/day for the first 2-3 wks. If I were you I would try it like this then...

Wk.1-3
Primo: 1g/wk
Sust: 500mgs/wk
Dbol: 25mgs/day

wk4-10
Primo: 800mgs/wk
Sust: 250mgs/wk.

wk11-13
Proviron: 25mgs/day
dbol: 10mgs/day

wk14-16
PCT
Creatine
G-Plenish

Wait another 10-15 wks, then repeat. Work hard at good PCT in both cycles so you do not loose ANYTHING! You will have a good chance at this with primo as your base. Include some HCG in your pct.

Make sure that you get your primo from "the man". You dont want to get burned with that much your getting. Im sure that when you buy a high volume like you are, you can get a decent price!

Good luck in what you decide to do.
Mavy

 

[02gixxersix]

Hey thanks again for the input bro. let's jsut hope when the time comes I can afford all that primo. That shit is more expensive than GH lol.

 

[majutsu]

Nice point mavy! real nice