Substituting Tren For Deca in a Bulking Stack?

[Mavafanculo]

I'm tired of the 3 steps foward 2 steps back approach of bulking/cutting.

assuming
test cyp 1-16
dbol 1-5

would it be better (in terms of adding maximuim muscle and minimum fat) to add

deca 50% dose & tren enant 50% dose all the way tru, or

deca 1-8 100% dose then tren 9-16 100% dose?

I'm a hard gainer, and the test/dbol/deca works wonders, but just tired of the extra baggage and the need for extended diet afterwards to lose the fat.

 

[Mr.X]

I'm a hard gainer, and the test/dbol/deca works wonders, but just tired of the extra baggage and the need for extended diet afterwards to lose the fat.

Clean up your bulking diet and you wont have the 'baggage' afterwards

 

[Ozz2001]

Why cant ppl just stick to what works?

 

[ryan04]

Tren will help burn some fat during a cycle, but its not going to work any miracles. You still need to diet and do cardio.

 

[scout69]

Diet and Cardio is key for Fat lose

 

[todoveritas]

In my experience, I have seen better results from going Deca 1-8 @ 100% and then finish out with Tren. Sometimes I feel Deca gets a bad rap on this board. Except for those who are progesterone-gyno prone, its great, generally safer, has more anabolic properties and adds a very esthetically pleasing shaping effect to the bulked-up look Test alone gives you. Plus, I am not convinced that Tren is as safe as everyone says, doing it this way will limit your "on" time.

 

[25homes]

I would run the deca at 300mg thoughout and run the tren at 75-100mg eod last 8 weeks bro

 

[Mavafanculo]

bump 4 more input

 

[UA_Iron]

How about:

NPP 1-8
Test E 1-16
Tren 9-16
Dbol 1-5
Winny 15-18

HCG throughout

should be dry at the end, but 8 weeks may not be enough to get a lot of bulk.

 

[Mavafanculo]

How about:

NPP 1-8
Test E 1-16
Tren 9-16
Dbol 1-5
Winny 15-18

HCG throughout

should be dry at the end, but 8 weeks may not be enough to get a lot of bulk.

I've used npp in past stacks (not deca), but I'm tru with eod shots. I like the workouts and feeling of tren vs deca/npp but wonder if I'm giving up alot of muscle mass potential by substituting.

 

[Tweakle]

tren is AWESOME for adding size imo, and it won't bloat you and give you a Peter Griffin chin the way deca does. Then again I've never run deca as high as I would tren so maybe I should shut up now

the price makes it less attractive for running long term.

 

[Mavafanculo]

tren is AWESOME for adding size imo, and it won't bloat you and give you a Peter Griffin chin the way deca does. Then again I've never run deca as high as I would tren so maybe I should shut up now

the price makes it less attractive for running long term.

what kind of tren doses u run? enant or acetate? I've gone as high as 150mg eod on the acetate without significant sides.

 

[25homes]

I wouldnt go any higher than 150mg eod with tren ace...may not have had any sides but that doesnt always tell you the whole story..I have heard a few horror stories about tren at a high dose

 

[Tweakle]

75-100mg ed usually... done 150mg ed with 500mg test before and that was insane but I couldn't afford to run it for long enough to get the most from the cycle :S at 1g+ a week the magic really starts, I felt I could bend oly bars ... tren is wonderful for exposiveness (I need to get into making my own )

tren sides, as always, are hugely over-rated. I got hot and grumpy but the only thing that freaked me out was slight lactation which went away a couple months after my last shot. I know a 300lb guy who runs 2gs+ of it as a base for his cycles with only some slight bp raise.. according to messageboard wisdom that should have killed him 25 years ago.