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Study finds ghb increases GH lvl's 16 times over base

yatesolympia

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Just posting this because sombody was running there mouth on the board the other day stating GHB does not increase Gh lvl's , has no science behind it, and is purely recreational. Well heres your science..... Enjoy :p



Known here in Europe as Gamma-OH, and in the US and Canada as GHB, gamma-hydroxybutyrate is a novel compound that increases sociability and may function as an antidepressant. Its sale was banned in the US in 1990, in spite of the fact that there is no scientific evidence that it posed any health risk when used responsibly.

GHB, or gamma-hydroxybutyrate, is a normal component of mammalian metabolism. Found naturally in every cell in the human body, it is therefore considered a nutrient. In the brain, the highest amounts are found in the hypothalamus and basal ganglia. GHB is found in greater concentrations in kidney, heart, skeletal muscles, and fat tissues. Some scientists believe it to be a neurotransmitter. It is both a metabolite and precursor of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid, or gamma-aminobutyrate), another nutrient to which it bears a close structural relationship. GHB, however, does not act directly on GABA receptor sites.

GHB was first synthesized about thirty years ago by a French researcher Dr. H. Laborit, who was interested in exploring the effects of GABA in the brain. Laborit synthesized GHB, which substitutes a hydroxy group for an amino group because little or no GABA crosses the blood-brain barrier. This difference allows GHB to cross the blood brain barrier where some of it is metabolized into GABA.
It turns out that Laborit found that GHB exhibited a range of effects beyond those expected from GABA. Over the following years, numerous researchers have extensively studied GHB's effects. It is has come to be used in Europe as a general anesthetic, a treatment for insomnia and narcolepsy, an aid to childbirth, a treatment for alcoholism and alcohol withdrawal syndrome, and for many other uses. In the United States, Canada, Japan and Australia, GHB is used by members of the underground rave culture as a safe alternative to alcohol or ecstasy. Before it was banned, bodybuilders in the United States used GHB to increased growth hormone levels.

GHB actually stimulates pituitary growth hormone (GH) release. One methodologically rigorous Japanese study reported nine-times and sixteen-times increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous administration of 2.5 grams of GHB in six healthy men between the ages of twenty-five and forty. GH levels were still seven-times higher at 120 minutes.

The mechanism by which GHB stimulates growth-hormone release is not known. Dopamine activity in the hypothalamus is known to stimulate pituitary release of growth hormone, but GHB inhibits dopamine release at the same time that it stimulates GH release. This suggests that GHB's GH-releasing effect take place through an entirely different mechanism.

GHB is normally available as either the sodium salt (Na-GHB) or the potassium salt (K- GHB) of gamma-hydroxybutyrate. GHB could theoretically be produced in other salt forms but it has not been seen available. Na-GHB is about 10% - 15% stronger than K-GHB by weight so dosage has to be adjusted accordingly.

Professionally produced pharmaceutical-grade GHB will almost always be a white crystalline powder (although there are some exceptions to this in pharmaceutical preparations such as Alcover and Pro-K.) The synthesis of GHB is relatively simple hence the proliferation of some companies selling kits to make GHB and amateur attempts by underground chemists to produce it. GHB produced at home will generally be in a liquid form. I will outline how to make GHB later on in this essay.

While some people consider making their own GH, and this is sometimes necessary in countries like the United States where unscientific political and economic forces cause pharmaceutical GHB to disappear from the market, it's not recommended. It is not advisable to try making GHB yourself if you have no experience with handling chemicals. It is best to try to obtain pharmaceutical GHB from a reputable company. Because the majority of us live in countries where GHB is illegal, such companies are rare. One, Biogenesis Laboratories
 
BOOEY said:
Do you have references to the actual studies this summary mentions?


Ive tried GHB numerous times, mainly at parties, which was fun....except one time i did a few caps too many (prolly around 5 small caps withing a 3-4 hour period)and couldnt sleep for 3 days straight!!, which was a bit of a bitch as my job requires me to drive pretty much all day - oh boy that was fun.....

The thing i dislike about GHB is there is a very fine line for enjoying its effects to slipping into a comatose like state with no chance of waking up for a good few hours, ive literally seen (and done) people being slapped HARD around the face and STILL be in the land of nod.

My advice, treat this one with respect otherwise it'll bite you in the ass.
 
BOOEY said:
Do you have references to the actual studies this summary mentions?
I think the references study on gh would be the 2nd from the last group.

Artru AA, Steen PA and Michenfelder JD. gamma-Hydroxybutyrate: Cerebral Metabolic, Vascular, and Protective Effects. J Neurochemistry. 35(5): 1114-9, November 1980.

Chin MY, Kreutzer RA and Dyer JE. Acute poisoning from gamma-hydroxybutyrate in California. West J Med (United States). 156(4): 380-4, April 1992.

Fadda F, Colombo G, Mosca E and Gessa GL. Suppression by gamma-hydroxybutyric acid of ethanol withdrawal syndrome in rats. Alcohol and Alcoholism [Great Britain]. 24(5): 447-51, 1989.

Gallimberti L, Gentile N, Cibin M, Fadda F, Canton G, Ferri M, Ferrara SD and Gessa GL. Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid for treatment of alcohol withdrawal syndrome. The Lancet, 787-9, 30 September 1989.

Kleimenova NN, Ostrovskaya RU and Arefolov VA. Effect of sodium hydroxybutyrate on the ultrastructure of the cross-striated muscle tissue myocytes during physical exercise. Byull Eksp Biol Med 88(9): 358-61, 1979.

Laborit H. Correlations between protein and serotonin synthesis during various activities of the central nervous system (slow and desynchronized sleep, learning and memory, sexual activity, morphine tolerance, aggressiveness, and pharmacological action of sodium gamma-hydroxybutyrate). Research Communications in Chemical Pathology and Pharmacology 3(1): January 1972.

Laborit H. Sodium 4-Hydroxybutyrate. Int J Neuropharmacology [Great Britain]. 3: 433-52, 1964.

Ostrovskaya RU, Kleimenova NN, Kamisheva V, Molodavkin GM, Yavorskii AN and Boikko SS. Effect of sodium hydroxybutyrate on functional biochemical and morphological indexes of physical working ability. Farmakol Regul Protsessov Utomleniya [Moscow, USSR] 39-56: 112-17, 1982.

Takahara J, Yunoki S, Yakushiji W, Yamauchi J, Yamane J and Ofuji T. Stimulatory effects of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid on growth hormone and prolactin release in humans. J Clin Endocrinal Metab 44: 1014, 1977.

Vickers MD. Gamma-hydroxybutyric Acid. Int Anaesthesia Clinic 7: 75-89, 1969.
 
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RvN said:
Ive tried GHB numerous times, mainly at parties, which was fun....except one time i did a few caps too many (prolly around 5 small caps withing a 3-4 hour period)and couldnt sleep for 3 days straight!!, which was a bit of a bitch as my job requires me to drive pretty much all day - oh boy that was fun.....

The thing i dislike about GHB is there is a very fine line for enjoying its effects to slipping into a comatose like state with no chance of waking up for a good few hours, ive literally seen (and done) people being slapped HARD around the face and STILL be in the land of nod.

My advice, treat this one with respect otherwise it'll bite you in the ass.

Ouch bro 5 caps? thats approx 5 grams..... It's very safe when used responibly i use 1-2 caps for sleep purposes only. Even better when you can get the tabs from germany so you know exactly how much your taking.
 
This is very interesting. Now I may be imagining this, but on the rare occasion I did take some of this shit in caps like RvN, no more than 5 in a night, my workouts the following week were noticably different in a good way. More strength and energy it seemed. Now reading this, maybe there is something to it?
 
yatesolympia said:
Ouch bro 5 caps? thats approx 5 grams..... It's very safe when used responibly i use 1-2 caps for sleep purposes only. Even better when you can get the tabs from germany so you know exactly how much your taking.

How can you possibly estimate how many grams come from 5 caps when you don't know the concentration of the ghb to begin with. I have owned bars and nightclubs for the past 12 years and can tell you from personal experience that there is not a drug out there that fluctuates in "strength" as much as ghb. One cap out of someones bottle can literally be as potent as 10 caps out of the next guys. You are correct in suggesting a known source as a way of knowing how much you are taking. This is a drug that needs to be respected as it is a very fine line between having fun or waking up in the emergency room.
 
yatesolympia said:
Ouch bro 5 caps? thats approx 5 grams..... It's very safe when used responibly i use 1-2 caps for sleep purposes only. Even better when you can get the tabs from germany so you know exactly how much your taking.

Your completely right that when taken responsibly it can be a great addition to your supplementation. However, be very careful like insulin this can have very negative effects to those who abuse this substance. I also use it as a sleep aid and every once in a while I use it to reduce the pain that I put my body through in this sport. :mix:
 
alexmichael said:
How can you possibly estimate how many grams come from 5 caps when you don't know the concentration of the ghb to begin with. I have owned bars and nightclubs for the past 12 years and can tell you from personal experience that there is not a drug out there that fluctuates in "strength" as much as ghb. One cap out of someones bottle can literally be as potent as 10 caps out of the next guys. You are correct in suggesting a known source as a way of knowing how much you are taking. This is a drug that needs to be respected as it is a very fine line between having fun or waking up in the emergency room.

Obviously there are retards who dont know how to convert properly but if you use the basic technique and do it properly you should end up with approx 1 gram per teaspoon. These 2 websites show the exact same and most popular methods which come out to approx 1 gram per teaspoon if done exactly as directed...... if you cant read or comprehend simple directions then yes your dosage can be waaaaay off, always good to know the source.
www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter4.html
www.ironmag.com/archive/ironmag/2000_gw_ghb.htm
 
yatesolympia said:
Obviously there are retards who dont know how to convert properly but if you use the basic technique and do it properly you should end up with approx 1 gram per teaspoon. These 2 websites show the exact same and most popular methods which come out to approx 1 gram per teaspoon if done exactly as directed...... if you cant read or comprehend simple directions then yes your dosage can be waaaaay off, always good to know the source.
www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter4.html
www.ironmag.com/archive/ironmag/2000_gw_ghb.htm
I agree with what you are saying but if you don't make it yourself, sometimes there is no way to know how many hands it has passed through, how much it was watered down to begin with and along the way. Factor this with how it interacts with alcohol or other depressants and how each individual's tolerance differs and you have a recipe for disaster. Don't get me wrong, I don't think I have ever done anything I liked better. It has pretty much disappeared in my area and is missed badly by a lot of people. This is just a drug that requires controls that sometimes are lacking.
 
alexmichael said:
I agree with what you are saying but if you don't make it yourself, sometimes there is no way to know how many hands it has passed through, how much it was watered down to begin with and along the way. Factor this with how it interacts with alcohol or other depressants and how each individual's tolerance differs and you have a recipe for disaster. Don't get me wrong, I don't think I have ever done anything I liked better. It has pretty much disappeared in my area and is missed badly by a lot of people. This is just a drug that requires controls that sometimes are lacking.

You can say that about just about every drug ... including roids!
 
ya you guys are forgeting something, ghb is basically none exsistant anymore, everyone has gotten busted and there is no where left to get it anymore... belive me ive tried
 
Tupac_9_lives said:
ya you guys are forgeting something, ghb is basically none exsistant anymore, everyone has gotten busted and there is no where left to get it anymore... belive me ive tried
Yes, what he said. I would be a very happy man if I could find some.
 
ive heard this also....ghb is supposed to get you in that deep sleep in like an hour as oppossed to 4 hours naturally...huge plus imo
 
Cant believe i forgot to mention the worst part about it...the TASTE... :sick:

I'd describe it as having the taste of concentrated sea water - extra salt, combined with essence of baby sick.
:dodgy:
 
a-f-x said:
what the fuck is ghb??? :worried:

Did you read the opening post at all?
 
Dial_tone said:
Did you read the opening post at all?[/QUOTE ]

yes dialtone, i did. i still do not understand what ghb is, scientific explainations dont help. all ive gathered from this thread is that its a recreational drug used by clubbers... thats alright though, i guess ill just do a yahoo search.
 
alexmichael said:
Yes, what he said. I would be a very happy man if I could find some.


Amen! G is amazing and also nearly non-existant. If anyone knows something different, show me how good U R at sending PM's....lol

"...study reported nine-times and sixteen-times increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous administration of 2.5 grams of GHB..."

Hehehe can u imagine how gonzo those Japanese test subjects must have been? 2.5 grams orally can knock you on your ass, intravenous probably made them shit themselves
 
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