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strongest form of test??? besides suspension

what do u guys think is the best form of test??

  • cypionate

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • enanthate

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • propinate

    Votes: 12 37.5%
  • Total voters
    32
Propionate-
The reason is because of the low molecular weight of it's ester. You actually get more mg/mg than any other test besides suspension.

Andy
 
All tests are created equal on an mg to mg basis without the ester attached :p

If you allow for the weight of the ester then as Andy said prop, if you increase the intake of cyp/enanthate to make up for the heavier ester so that the raw test is equal to that in the prop then they will be the same.

Andriol ;)
 
Your wrong!!!

Andy13 is right the lower the ester weight the more Mg you will get of test so it is stronger the heavier the ester weight is the less test you will actually get!!!!!!!!
 
I believe that cyp and enanthate are the same.

Who knows what is best. I think the pros tend to use suspension. If you inject 4-5 cc's at time it is likely that it takes a few days for the oil to dissipate into the muscle. That is a defence for suspension. It kicks in fast too. With cyp/enan. you only have to inject every 5 days or so which is cool. I have found that lying on my side while injecting pretty well eliminates residual pain.
 
I figured this would be an easy question. The answer is Prop. like many of you said its the weight of the ester that matters. Have you ever seen anybody take 1000mg of Prop, hell no, but you have seen bro's take 1000mg of Enanthate. Why you ask? Because to get the same results from say 600mg a week of Prop, you have to take 400 extra mgs. to get the same effect. Now my math may be wrong, but you get the point.
 
Yes we all can say that prop has a shorter ester thus a lower molecular weight and hence more test per mg. However let me ask you this question, why is it that most people see their best gains off some of the longer esters, enanthate and cypionate (excluding suspension of course)????
 
E2 said:
Yes we all can say that prop has a shorter ester thus a lower molecular weight and hence more test per mg. However let me ask you this question, why is it that most people see their best gains off some of the longer esters, enanthate and cypionate (excluding suspension of course)????
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Because it stays in the system longer using more of the test rather then wasting it!
 
Because no one wants to inject 1g of test prop a week. That averages out to 20ccs a week. Not really a viable option in my opinion...
 
Andy13 said:
Propionate-
The reason is because of the low molecular weight of it's ester. You actually get more mg/mg than any other test besides suspension.

Andy
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You beat me to the explaination.

Enanthate: 72mg of raw test per 100mg of total weight
Prop: 89mg of Raw test.

Do the math.
 
lawnsaver said:


You beat me to the explaination.

Enanthate: 72mg of raw test per 100mg of total weight
Prop: 89mg of Raw test.

Do the math.
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Sorry but thats not the explination either!!!!!!!

Which one is more powerfull!!!!!!!!

You have to think about the amount that will be used in the body/mg!!!!!!!!!

But I'm new here!!!!
 
BigJay81 said:


Sorry but thats not the explination either!!!!!!!

Which one is more powerfull!!!!!!!!

You have to think about the amount that will be used in the body/mg!!!!!!!!!

But I'm new here!!!!
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What are you talking about? It all comes down to the total amount of test you are injecting.

If you were to inject 500mg of Prop/enan/cyp, the prop would be the strongest, because you are getting the most raw test.

What is the point of this thread?
 
OK:rolleyes:

If it is in your system for a shorter period of time your body isn't going to use it as well as a longer ester!!!!!!!
That means its weaker!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence the point! the the longer esters mixed with the test will be more active and more usefull i your body!!!

that means it stronger!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you word it, which have you had better results with? By asking which is stronger, you will get into debates, by asking which worked better, you get into past experiences...a much better gauge in my opinion to base decisions on.
 
MadMachine said:
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you word it, which have you had better results with? By asking which is stronger, you will get into debates, by asking which worked better, you get into past experiences...a much better gauge in my opinion to base decisions on.
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Thank you! The question is which is strongest, not which yields better results.
 
i have to agree with big jay on this one..

ok, so prop is stronger because of the lower weight of it's ester. but, if you piss out 96% and shit out 2% of the circulating test in your system then lets say you shot 100mg of each. if the prop is released into the body faster than the rate at which the body can absorb it, whereas cyp or enan are released at a slower rate, then wouldn't hold true that more test would be wasted with prop thereby making it actually weaker in my opinion.

by the way, before i get flamed for the frickin stats/reasoning in this post... i don't know if it's right.. it seems as though i've seen those %'s before, and i'm posting to see if my reasoning is sound..

can anyone help me out here??
 
E2 said:
Yes we all can say that prop has a shorter ester thus a lower molecular weight and hence more test per mg. However let me ask you this question, why is it that most people see their best gains off some of the longer esters, enanthate and cypionate (excluding suspension of course)????
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I see the best gains from 100mg prop daily, no water retention, good size and strength gains and you can control the sides better, as its so short acting.
 
Joeljuice ??? What ??? sust and omna , NO WAY, In my opinion the only way you will get better results with them is by a shot a day, otherwise, dont bother and stick with prop or cyp/enethate.

What you were saying about phenylprop strength, well, yes I agree, but where does one locate it ?? I know its in sust, but can you obtain it on its own ??:confused:
 
bbigman2000 said:
Joeljuice ??? What ??? sust and omna , NO WAY, In my opinion the only way you will get better results with them is by a shot a day, otherwise, dont bother and stick with prop or cyp/enethate.

What you were saying about phenylprop strength, well, yes I agree, but where does one locate it ?? I know its in sust, but can you obtain it on its own ??:confused:
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Just kidding :D Some people think that they are 4 times more effective :D

I goint to use Testex Elmu and it is cypionate, i also have scherings testoviron depot. I will also use russian propionate.
 
E2 said:
Yes we all can say that prop has a shorter ester thus a lower molecular weight and hence more test per mg. However let me ask you this question, why is it that most people see their best gains off some of the longer esters, enanthate and cypionate (excluding suspension of course)????
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E2, I don't think these guys know yet that the more even androgen concentration, the better and more predictable gains.
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And no, phenylprop is a larger ester than propionate. You might consider it close to a cypionate ester.. Maybe faster since the phenyl group has ressonacce and that usually means slightly less lipophilic.

Andy
 
test is test, the faster it releases into your system the sooner you will see gains. no testosterone is stronger then any other, ester does not add or reduce the potency of testosterone
 
In my experience to yield maximum results from test(whichis an interesting thing to say because some believe there are no true gains from test) is 2 weeks of suspension running concurrently with 8-10 weeks of enanthate/cypionate.
 
i have heard a lot of you guys say: 'what is the strongest besides suspension?' and 'most of the pros use suspension'. does this mean suspension is the most powerful test? the best mass builder? i am going to start a suspension cycle soon. together with sust and dbol and eq.
 
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