Stew Meat, Please re-post your clomid thread!

[lawnsaver]

I'm getting to many" I never heard that before" comments about clomid. The newbies need you!

 

[littlearnold1069]

i'll give this a bump...wasn't it like a ton of clomid on the 1st day, then 100mg a day..oh well, i will let stew post it

 

[Weam]

me too, Bump

 

[lawnsaver]

It wasnt really about doses, but more along the lines of when, why and why not. I keep reading how people want to take it throughout theirs cycles, when you shouldnt. Stews post was right on the money.

 

[littlearnold1069]

oh...i know some people say that if you take it throughout the cycle, you will keep you nuts...i however, only take it post cycle

 

[ultragainz]

hurry "STEW" the kids are going crazy .....

 

[LewdTenant]

The idea of clomid during cycle I heard was not to keep your nuts in shape during cycle but to use it as an anti-e since it was an estrogen agonist and antagonist. This is really being promoted on T-mag forum

 

[LCBUTLER]

I don't know if this is what you were talking about....but anyway this was originally posted by HUCK.

Testosterone production begins at the hypothalamus,which scans blood levels of estrogens,androgens and other pertinent hormones.In a presence of low androgens and estrogens the hypothalamus will produce leutenizing-hormone-releasing-hormone(LHRH)which in turn stimulates the pituitary to produce leutenizing hormone(LH).LH then signals the leydig cells in the testicles to begin producing testosterone.Hence the Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis(more commonly referred to as H-P-T-A),as production is ran in that particular order.Now on to the clomid...

Clomid is a selective estrogen receptor modulator(much like nolvadex,only their binding capacities are more aggressive in seperate areas).Clomid stimulates L-H-R-H/LH production by binding to ESTROGEN receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary,thus giving the illusion of a low presence of circulating estrogen.Note the key word here-ESTROGEN.CLOMID DOES NOT BIND ANDROGEN.Therefore,on a cycle of moderate to high amounts of ANDROGENS,clomid will have no effect whatsoever on endogenous testosterone production,as we are in a state of ANDROGENIC inhibition.It's post cycle,when blood levels of androgens begin to normalize and the typical estrogenic rebound/lag occurs,that clomid is able to re-initialize this process of testosterone production.Hope this clears up how clomid works and why to save it for post cycle,unless you're using it as an anti-estrogen...

How do we know when to administer clomid therapy,and how much should we use to get the desired effects?First you have to figure out the activity life/clearance time of your particular ester.They don't have to be completely cleared from your system,just enough that androgen levels are within normal to high normal ranges.For instance sust's longest acting and most potent ester,the undecanoate ester clears your system in roughly 3-4 weeks.So beginning clomid therapy 3 weeks after your last injection would be ideal.This is the pattern I would run my clomid in...

Day 1)300mgs...2 tabs every 4 hours or so.This will drive up blood levels of the drug for an immediate "therapeutic" response(one that would normally take many consecutive days of usage to be reached)and get the drug working aggressively towards re-initializing endogenous hormonal production.

Days 2-11)100mgs/day(bothtabs can be taken together now,as it's half life is so long it will make no difference...

Days 12-21)50mgs/day...

Day 22)DONE!




[This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited February 18, 2001).]

 

[Big Johnson]

Bump

 

[LewdTenant]

Clomid is a selective estrogen receptor modulator(much like nolvadex,only their binding capacities are more aggressive in seperate areas).Clomid stimulates L-H-R-H/LH production by binding to ESTROGEN receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary,thus giving the illusion of a low presence of circulating estrogen

So it can be used as an anti-e and is better than nolvadex and cheaper?

 

[Delinquent]

nope. If gyno does arrise clomid isn't strong enough to combat it. This is when the nolva would come in handy. It's strong enough to get rid of the gyno

 

[growin']

Stew?

 

[lawnsaver]

That was one of the posts I was looking. I tired of talking. Use the clomid anyway you want, and I'll do it my way.

 

[littlearnold1069]

That was one of the posts I was looking. I tired of talking. Use the clomid anyway you want, and I'll do it my way.

me 2

 

[TxLonghorn]

Did you see that I just reposted several of Stew's old posts about clomid?

http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=18530

 

[Stew Meat]

The idea of clomid during cycle I heard was not to keep your nuts in shape during cycle but to use it as an anti-e since it was an estrogen agonist and antagonist. This is really being promoted on T-mag forum

Clomid is a piss poor antiestrogn in male breast tissue... clomid's selective binding affinities are mostly keen for hypothalamical activity. I used to think that clomid had zero binding affinities throughout the rest of the body, but I recently learned that it did in fact bind to uterine ER in rats...

Never use clomid throught a cycle unless you want to run 400mg/day to keep sperm count high. Never run Nolvadex throughout for that matter. Always use an antiaromitase such as Arimidex or Proviron. Nolvadex and Clomid will NOT stop production of estrogen. Antiaromitase will.


-Stew

 

[lawnsaver]

Back up for the newbies!!