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States weigh covering obesity surgery

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HARTFORD, Connecticut (AP) -- Jacqueline Ezell says she felt as if she were drowning when she was rushed to the hospital four years ago.

At 288 pounds, doctors had already diagnosed her with diabetes, glaucoma and high cholesterol, all side effects of obesity. She also had heart problems.

"I couldn't breathe," Ezell said.

Doctors gave Ezell two options. She could seek a heart transplant, or have gastric bypass surgery. She chose the surgery.

The Preston woman recently told Connecticut lawmakers that she went from a size 26 to a size 6. The surgery also helped lower her cholesterol, and she was taken off a heart transplant waiting list. Now, the only medications she needs are for her heart condition.

"There's nothing I can't do now," she said.

A proposal is before Connecticut lawmakers that would require insurance companies to cover the surgery for people with a body-mass index of 30 or more if a doctor deems the surgery medically necessary. The BMI is a widely used formula based on height and weight.

The Connecticut proposal may not get off the ground this session because lawmakers are struggling to define under what medical conditions the surgery should be covered, said Sen. Joseph Crisco, a Woodbridge Democrat who chairs the legislative committee looking at the issue.

Benefits vs. risks
The debate is not unlike others across the country. Georgia lawmakers are considering a similar bill this year. And in Louisiana, 40 state employees were chosen last year from 1,200 applications to get the surgery on the state's dime.

The standard surgery, which can cost between $20,000 and $35,000, involves using staples to separate a small pouch at the stomach's top from the rest of the stomach, greatly limiting the amount of food that can be eaten. The procedure also involves bypassing much of the small intestine so that less food is absorbed into the body.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama recently stopped paying for the operations while it decides how to handle claims; Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida has also decided to stop paying for the operation.

In Connecticut, many major plans offer coverage only for large numbers of employees. Others are considering offering the coverage for an additional charge.

"What we're starting to see is an increase in what we would consider at best, unnecessary, and at worst, unsafe, surgery," said Keith Stover, a lobbyist for the Connecticut Association of Health Plans. "Many plans decide the best course of action simply is to exclude coverage."

But many physicians say the long-term benefits of weight loss surgery outweigh the risk. Gastric bypass surgery can help cure obesity-related health problems such as high cholesterol, high blood pressure, sleep apnea and even diabetes, said Dr. Jonathan Aranow, director of the Middlesex Hospital Center for Obesity Surgery.

It can also cut down on the long-term cost of medications, he said.

"The surgery pays for itself in under three years," he said. "There is no question that there are cost savings."

Last year the federal government opened the door for Medicare coverage of gastric bypass surgery.

But some lawmakers and insurers are also worried about risks. State Rep. Anthony D'Amelio, R-Waterbury, said noted two people in his district died after having the operation.

Complications strike as many as 1 in 5 patients having the surgery, and it is believed that for every 200 patients, 1 to 4 will die. Estimates are that more than 100,000 people will have the surgery this year.

"I would rather see people try to do it the harder way, exercise and eating properly," D'Amelio said. "I know it's a struggle ... I think it's the safest route."

But for some patients, the hard way hasn't worked.

Deborah Sicaras, 36, of Wethersfield, has tried Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, diet pills and liquid diets; she also teaches ballet, tap and jazz four days a week.

"I'm one of the fortunate ones who will be able to have this surgery in the very near future," she said. "I can't do this by myself. I need assistance. I've dieted my whole life."


-- what is with that? How about eat a balanced diet and get some damn exercise????
 
Umm, no. How many of these ex-fatties will be huge in a few years after surgery? They don't learn how to eat healthy, they just throw up if they eat to much. These people have tried everything to lose weight except proper diet and excercise. "So you mean the half dozen Krispy Kremes I ate everymoring wasn't good for me?"
 
My aunt had the surgery because she is 5 1 or 5 2 and weighed roughly over 300 lbs. The thing is, the government paid for it......shes lost over 100 lbs in a year.....but she still has a long way to go. Actually she is the 2nd person I know that had the surgery and tenncare paid for it.
 
carte blanche for being a fat fuck... There seems to be always an easy way out, isn't it?

Major point oif consideration should be: How did the person got obese in the first place? Only people with hormonal disorders or other medical issues as THE cause for obesity should be treated. People obese from hitting them twinkies... fuck them, it takes willpower to go down, if you want it hard enough, you will do it (been there)

LOL at the stupidity of using BMI as a measure of obesity... Guess some of the bigger guys here in EF could take the free ride too, huh?
 
hell yeah, if not the surgery, at least the band that sections off part of the stomach

Whiskey
 
My usual response is that this is another example of tax dollars being stolen and wasted...but I can't help but wonder if this will actually save money over existing programs.

In other news, I am scared shitless that this will be used to justify further intrusions of the state into your life.

So it's a bad idea. And fat people should be mocked whenever possible.
 
Well, I personally think obesity is a disease like alcoholism......you over consume food like you over consume alcohol. You dont see people calling alcoholics names like u do obese people
this world is all about looks, if ur a drunk and u keep it hid well then its ok, but if ur obese in which you CANT keep it hidden so well, people make fun of you..
They give people drugs for alcoholism because they are weak and you see people giving obese people drugs because they are also weak. I think there is a double standard on obesity.
being addicted to drugs and anything else is the same way......They put people in rehab and insurances pay for it when its likely they will go back to the drugs......same thing with obesity, if they lose it then they are going to gain it back? you should give eveyrone a chance to prove the statistics wrong, even fat people
Obese people hurt noone but themselves in the long run.......alcoholics and drug addicts hurt themselves and others also
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
My usual response is that this is another example of tax dollars being stolen and wasted...but I can't help but wonder if this will actually save money over existing programs.

In other news, I am scared shitless that this will be used to justify further intrusions of the state into your life.

So it's a bad idea. And fat people should be mocked whenever possible.
you would think that by having the surgery and losing all that weight they would have a lot less medical problems, so maybe it is saving money by doing the surgery
 
I only have one problem with your statemetn Klue, the obese do hurt others. All of us by sucking up our tax dollars. Obese generally need more medical help than anyone, and as they age most will be on medicare or some other state run program that uses tax dollars.

Whiskey
 
Whiskey said:
I only have one problem with your statemetn Klue, the obese do hurt others. All of us by sucking up our tax dollars. Obese generally need more medical help than anyone, and as they age most will be on medicare or some other state run program that uses tax dollars.

Whiskey

This can stop by eliminating socialized medicine -type programs.

If we let people own their own bodies, this stops.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
This can stop by eliminating socialized medicine -type programs.

If we let people own their own bodies, this stops.

And effectively screwing legitimate sick poor people? There is gotta be a balance. It cannot simply be: We pay all or we pay nothing...
 
pintoca said:
And effectively screwing legitimate sick poor people? There is gotta be a balance. It cannot simply be: We pay all or we pay nothing...

Yes it can. Because THE COST OF MEDICAL CARE WILL COME DOWN. And more people will be able to afford it.
 
Whiskey said:
I only have one problem with your statemetn Klue, the obese do hurt others. All of us by sucking up our tax dollars. Obese generally need more medical help than anyone, and as they age most will be on medicare or some other state run program that uses tax dollars.

Whiskey
I agree on that part whiskey
Im just making a point that obesity is a disease, like any other substance abusers, they deserve to be helped also.
and im sure there are drug addicts that use the government to go to rehab and then relapse
 
Whiskey said:
I only have one problem with your statemetn Klue, the obese do hurt others. All of us by sucking up our tax dollars. Obese generally need more medical help than anyone, and as they age most will be on medicare or some other state run program that uses tax dollars.

Whiskey
most of them dont live to medicare age, unless you meant to say medicaid
 
SoKlueles said:
I agree on that part whiskey
Im just making a point that obesity is a disease, like any other substance abusers, they deserve to be helped also.
and im sure there are drug addicts that use the government to go to rehab and then relapse

And I do agree on that whole heartedly

Whiskey
 
Whiskey said:
I only have one problem with your statemetn Klue, the obese do hurt others. All of us by sucking up our tax dollars. Obese generally need more medical help than anyone, and as they age most will be on medicare or some other state run program that uses tax dollars.

Whiskey
Well, i was thinking, if an alcoholic needs a new liver because he abused alcohol and needed the flushes to keep him alive, and would take alot of drugs to keep his liver working......thats sucking up dollars also right?
 
Whiskey said:
And I do agree on that whole heartedly

Whiskey
Trust me, i was very obese once, and i ventured into looking into that surgery....and I would have gotten it too (altho my blue cross blue shield insurance would have paid for it) but they found out i have Crohns disease and the dr would NOT touch me because i ultimately, could have died from the surgery
But seriously, when u feel like its a last resort, you will do anything
 
yes it is. especially since alot of alchoholics don't have the best of jobs and therefore not the best of insurance if any at all. once again, we get the bill

Whiskey
 
What is the rate of return to plumper status on people who get this surgery? How long to they stay slim?
 
SoKlu, I disagree with you. Obesity does affect us. I'm sure all of our health insurance premiums have gone up because of the increase in "preventable" diseases.

If anything they should deal with the emotional issues that cause people to over eat or drink. I refuse to believe that obesity is a disease. Everyday, I see really really big people at work pass the salad bar, the deli section and even the "jazzed" up salad section (yes my co. cafeteria has 2 salad bar sections), for the grill station (i.e., cheesesteaks and burgers), buffalo wing bar, and/or the "entree" section (think high sodium, high fat, high simple carbs).

I believe in personal responsibility. How hard is it to wake up and say enough is enough? Skip the whole egg omelettes and sausage in the morning and have oatmeal (hell even instant is a better choice). Yes, the first few days going from an unhealthy diet to a healthy diet is hard, but it gets easier. The problem is people in this country want quick fixes and refuse to bust their asses even for something as important as good health. I'm sure all of us have read thread after thread of people looking for quick fixes or people that whine that they are not losing body fat (yet if you look at their diet/logs they are eating all types of fucked up shit).

The more you give in to this "obesity is a disease" thing, the less likely they are to do anything about their problems. I remember a time when stores like the Gap didn't sell anything over a size 8 for women. Now you walk into Old Navy, the Gap and other stores and they are selling size 18/20 clothes. Seats are wider, there are "obesity acceptance" associations. This is ridiculous. Society is accepting a self-destructive behavior.

Instead of surgery, they should ship them off to some remote island, let them "dry out", teach them how to eat healthy and get their asses on a workout program and then ship them back when they get the point. If not, leave them there. We need the room - the D.C. area is getting way too crowded.

Sorry, if I offended anyone.
 
nycgirl said:
SoKlu, I disagree with you. Obesity does affect us. I'm sure all of our health insurance premiums have gone up because of the increase in "preventable" diseases.

If anything they should deal with the emotional issues that cause people to over eat or drink. I refuse to believe that obesity is a disease. Everyday, I see really really big people at work pass the salad bar, the deli section and even the "jazzed" up salad section (yes my co. cafeteria has 2 salad bar sections), for the grill station (i.e., cheesesteaks and burgers), buffalo wing bar, and/or the "entree" section (think high sodium, high fat, high simple carbs).

I believe in personal responsibility. How hard is it to wake up and say enough is enough? Skip the whole egg omelettes and sausage in the morning and have oatmeal (hell even instant is a better choice). Yes, the first few days going from an unhealthy diet to a healthy diet is hard, but it gets easier. The problem is people in this country want quick fixes and refuse to bust their asses even for something as important as good health. I'm sure all of us have read thread after thread of people looking for quick fixes or people that whine that they are not losing body fat (yet if you look at their diet/logs they are eating all types of fucked up shit).

The more you give in to this "obesity is a disease" thing, the less likely they are to do anything about their problems. I remember a time when stores like the Gap didn't sell anything over a size 8 for women. Now you walk into Old Navy, the Gap and other stores and they are selling size 18/20 clothes. Seats are wider, there are "obesity acceptance" associations. This is ridiculous. Society is accepting a self-destructive behavior.

Instead of surgery, they should ship them off to some remote island, let them "dry out", teach them how to eat healthy and get their asses on a workout program and then ship them back when they get the point. If not, leave them there. We need the room - the D.C. area is getting way too crowded.

Sorry, if I offended anyone.

Extremely well said.
 
SoKlueles said:
Im just making a point that obesity is a disease, like any other substance abusers, they deserve to be helped also.
and im sure there are drug addicts that use the government to go to rehab and then relapse
Why help any? Let the fat, the weak, the sick, the poor, the kids, the elderly, the addicts, and the lushes fall as they may.
 
nycgirl said:
SoKlu, I disagree with you. Obesity does affect us. I'm sure all of our health insurance premiums have gone up because of the increase in "preventable" diseases.

If anything they should deal with the emotional issues that cause people to over eat or drink. I refuse to believe that obesity is a disease. Everyday, I see really really big people at work pass the salad bar, the deli section and even the "jazzed" up salad section (yes my co. cafeteria has 2 salad bar sections), for the grill station (i.e., cheesesteaks and burgers), buffalo wing bar, and/or the "entree" section (think high sodium, high fat, high simple carbs).

I believe in personal responsibility. How hard is it to wake up and say enough is enough? Skip the whole egg omelettes and sausage in the morning and have oatmeal (hell even instant is a better choice). Yes, the first few days going from an unhealthy diet to a healthy diet is hard, but it gets easier. The problem is people in this country want quick fixes and refuse to bust their asses even for something as important as good health. I'm sure all of us have read thread after thread of people looking for quick fixes or people that whine that they are not losing body fat (yet if you look at their diet/logs they are eating all types of fucked up shit).

The more you give in to this "obesity is a disease" thing, the less likely they are to do anything about their problems. I remember a time when stores like the Gap didn't sell anything over a size 8 for women. Now you walk into Old Navy, the Gap and other stores and they are selling size 18/20 clothes. Seats are wider, there are "obesity acceptance" associations. This is ridiculous. Society is accepting a self-destructive behavior.

Instead of surgery, they should ship them off to some remote island, let them "dry out", teach them how to eat healthy and get their asses on a workout program and then ship them back when they get the point. If not, leave them there. We need the room - the D.C. area is getting way too crowded.

Sorry, if I offended anyone.


Hate when I see a post like this and all I can do is stare at that stupid "You have given too much karma in the blah blah blah..." anyway, I'll get you later girl...
 
Uhh the insurance industry doesnt pay for it.. we do.


Dumb lazy fucks.. again society being forced to pay for the poor lifestyle choices of others. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
 
Ish said:
Umm, no. How many of these ex-fatties will be huge in a few years after surgery? They don't learn how to eat healthy, they just throw up if they eat to much. These people have tried everything to lose weight except proper diet and excercise. "So you mean the half dozen Krispy Kremes I ate everymoring wasn't good for me?"

lol, they dont learn to eat healthy and they throw up would be the best scenario. My anatomy prof said some people can die in an hour from eating too much after gastric bypass! I dont know if thats true or not.
 
its a tough call, its a health risk to be fat, so in that sense it would save money in the long run to cover it.

Also, its cosmetic in nature as well in my opinion.

I say cover it.
 
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