Startling Revelation about Arnold

[Lumberg]

Dude, remember that SSAlexSS thread "I did 250 sets of arms today!" and how badly he got flamed?

Well guess who used to do massive numbers of sets back in the late 60s?

Yep, that's right, Arnold.

I just bought his book, the education of a bodybuilder, and he talks about going out into the woods with weights and having an orgy of squatting followed by an orgy of wine and women.

A lot of people on here (meself at times included) kind of regard Arnold as kind of god or something. But this book espouses some pretty old-school stuff that I and the more modern thinkers on here would not agree with.

Reading this book was interesting. I used to think he was the master because he had the science of bodybuilding down and that he trained perfectly. Now I realize it was genetics mixed with a little bit of showmanship and a lot of ambition.

I will post the account word for word if people are interested.

JC

 

[casavant]

I have this book. Read it when I was sixteen. Yeah, he did some stuff that was a little crazy, but that stuff can make you grow. He didn't say he did that squat routine all the time.

 

[KnoXville]

he also mentions the woods squat thing in the modern encyclopedia of bodybuilding

 

[Y_lifter]

He also ate lots of Broccoli and threw away all his Sponges.

 

[casavant]

His training then probably wasn't any more stupid than some of the stuff the pros do now.

 

[Lumberg]

He also ate lots of Broccoli and threw away all his Sponges.

?????????????

 

[AAP]

Dudes, volume training gets a lot of bad press nowdays. But it is VERY effective. Of course, you are not going to use the same intensity of balls to the walls workout fever when you go high volume, but that is not the purpose anyhow. You are going to do nothing more than pump that muscle up and try to forcefully stretch the fascia (sp?) by keeping it engorged with blood. Which is very effective. I know pro's that do this to this day. It is nothing to see some people train arms with 30-40 sets. Drinking Pepsi Cola the entire time to keep the enery and blood sugar level ups, as well as keep carbs packed into the muscles.

 

[Japanese machine]

didnt he live on a farm? fuck, with his genetics, (some gear) and a shit load of steaks and whole milk, its no wonder.

it still boggles how he was able to acheive that size with his methods of training. The difference of him offseaon and contest prep is like night and day.

 

[Lumberg]

didnt he live on a farm? fuck, with his genetics, (some gear) and a shit load of steaks and whole milk, its no wonder.

it still boggles how he was able to acheive that size with his methods of training. The difference of him offseaon and contest prep is like night and day.

yep. he is hands down the man with the greatest genetics for bbing ever.

 

[Frackal]

Flex Wheeler

 

[Japanese machine]

Flex Wheeler

i wish the tested arnie's DNA for the mutation, he may very well of had it too.

Flex trains like a pussy, im a HHUUUGGGEE Flex fan, but after watching his video.............~

 

[chesty]

To be the greatest bodybuilder, one must work harder, longer, and crazier than the next man. As long as it is done in proper form, whatever the routine, it will work. If half of us on here were as driven as Arnold is to this day, we all would be the kings of bb.

His genetics played a big part in his success, but it was his superior attitude, mental state of mind and will to succeed that gave him the body he has. Of course some roid supplementation helped out too.

 

[vinylgroover]

i wish the tested arnie's DNA for the mutation, he may very well of had it too.

Flex trains like a pussy, im a HHUUUGGGEE Flex fan, but after watching his video.............~

He does allright for someone that nearly became a cripple

 

[Code]

i wish the tested arnie's DNA for the mutation, he may very well of had it too.

Flex trains like a pussy, im a HHUUUGGGEE Flex fan, but after watching his video.............~

Hell yeah, he trains wimp-school style.

But he looks great, better than me....so I won't be releasing a video of my geek-school style routines.

Besides, an endless stream of binary wouldn't sell that well anyway.

 

[Lumberg]

i wish the tested arnie's DNA for the mutation, he may very well of had it too.

Flex trains like a pussy, im a HHUUUGGGEE Flex fan, but after watching his video.............~

I doubt he has that mutation. I think he just <used to > have naturally high levels of testosterone. That and all of that fresh Austrian air.

 

[Frackal]

Chesty's right

 

[VicTusDeuS]

What ever gear he did use, it sure was a lot less and alot less potent than the shit those guys take today.

 

[CytoMel]

Victor Richards had the best genetics for training. Fuck wheeler and his high calves. Richard's arms were 17' before he started training.

www.rebelnutrition.com

Richards is bigger than Coleman too.

 

[aurelius]

What the hell are any of you talking about?

He did a ton of steroids like everyone else back then. Period.

 

[casavant]

What the hell are any of you talking about?

He did a ton of steroids like everyone else back then. Period.

Aah, don't mind us, senor. We're just dumb Americans.


I think everyone is agreed that Arnold did juice.

 

[Japanese machine]

He does allright for someone that nearly became a cripple

definate props to his recovery and comback in 95'. I hope he can have straited glutes again at the 2002 Olympia, he may very well place right next to colman if his conditioning is on. well see.......

btw i wonder how much bigger Flex would be if he took all his sets to failure....?

 

[aurelius]

to casavant

it still boggles how he was able to acheive that size with his methods of training. The difference of him offseaon and contest prep is like night and day.

seriously,what are they on..........is it a lot or a little of sauce?

wish the tested arnie's DNA for the mutation, he may very well of had it too.

To be the greatest bodybuilder, one must work harder, longer, and crazier than the next man. As long as it is done in proper form, whatever the routine, it will work. If half of us on here were as driven as Arnold is to this day, we all would be the kings of bb.

His genetics played a big part in his success, but it was his superior attitude, mental state of mind and will to succeed that gave him the body he has. Of course some roid supplementation helped out too.

No shit.

I doubt he has that mutation. I think he just <used to > have naturally high levels of testosterone.

Hey, casavant. Maybe these were written as jokes. I don´t know.

p.s. you could always use Socrates´famous quote if you are afraid of pretention.

 

[casavant]

I think steroid use is a given in most people's minds on this thread. If "he did a ton of steroids like everyone else back then", then there has to be something else that explains why he beat everyone else. Genetics and mindset.

 

[The Shadow]

Arnold's genetics + 80 mf D-bol per day while on = good gains.......look at him between contests dyring the early 70's he dropped down tothe low 200 pounds range and look BAD....he always gained for a contest by reving up diet training and supps.....Kevin Levrone and Shawn Ray do the same sorta thing.

 

[casavant]

Arnold's genetics + 80 mf D-bol per day while on = good gains.......look at him between contests dyring the early 70's he dropped down tothe low 200 pounds range and look BAD....he always gained for a contest by reving up diet training and supps.....Kevin Levrone and Shawn Ray do the same sorta thing.

Agreed. Where have you found many offseason pics of him though? I'd like to see more, but have only found a couple.

 

[The Shadow]

There was a muscle mag special on him 5-6 years ago and there were about 6 or 8 off-season shot with his shirt off - he looked....totally different - evrything just lost size - except the calves - and we KNOW why....right?

 

[casavant]

There was a muscle mag special on him 5-6 years ago and there were about 6 or 8 off-season shot with his shirt off - he looked....totally different - evrything just lost size - except the calves - and we KNOW why....right?

Was that the one that came out in '97 for his 50th b-day? I think I still have that one somewhere. Did he really get calf implants or is that just one of those rumors? I didn't think they had advanced implant technology back then.

 

[casavant]

There was a muscle mag special on him 5-6 years ago and there were about 6 or 8 off-season shot with his shirt off - he looked....totally different - evrything just lost size - except the calves - and we KNOW why....right?

Was that the one that came out in '97 for his 50th b-day? I think I still have that one somewhere. Did he really get calf implants or is that just one of those rumors? I didn't think they had advanced implant technology back then.

 

[The Shadow]

I 'heard' he had injections of silicone........pre-pre synthol....

 

[aurelius]

I think steroid use is a given in most people's minds on this thread. If "he did a ton of steroids like everyone else back then.", then there has to be something else that explains why he beat everyone else. Genetics and mindset.

Oh, come on man.

 

[minion]

Was Arnold smoking a joint at the end of "Pumping Iron"?
Maybe that was his secret?

I never thought Arnolds' physic was the best ever. Pleanty of guys with better physic IMO. Guys like Flex, Shawn and one of my favorites the classic physic of Frank Zane come to mind.

What makes Arnold so great to me was his charisma, and tenacity. Any jackass can pop roids. I always sensed he was much more cerebral. I can't help thinking him marrying into the Kennedy's was a calculated effort.

 

[casavant]

Oh, come on man.

Come on about what? Are you saying that Arnold did a lot of juice and that is the sole reason that he beat everyone else back in the day? Seriously, what are you trying to say? Spell it out for me real clear-like. Were other competitors losing out simply because they were afraid to pop an extra 20 gms of d-bol and shoot some more deca? Arnold just was great because he was a crazy motherfucker who would eat steroids like candy?

Even when I was your size, I was never so quick to write off a person's success in bodybuilding as solely attributable to steroids. Thread after thread after thread, you take the same predictable position. This, coupled with your snobbish, "Americans are ignorant, uncultured, blind pigs; I'm an intellectual, hurray for me-let me shove it down your throat" attitude makes you one of the few characters on this board that I truly dislike.

 

[casavant]

What makes Arnold so great to me was his charisma, and tenacity. Any jackass can pop roids. I always sensed he was much more cerebral. I can't help thinking him marrying into the Kennedy's was a calculated effort.

I agree.

 

[Lumberg]

Come on about what? Are you saying that Arnold did a lot of juice and that is the sole reason that he beat everyone else out back in the day? Seriously, what are you trying to say? Spell it out for me real clear-like. Were other competitors losing out simply because they were afraid to pop an extra 20 gms of d-bol and shoot some more deca? Arnold just was great because he was a crazy motherfucker who would eat steroids like candy?

Even when I was your size, I was never so quick to write off a person's success in bodybuilding as solely attributable to steroids. Thread after thread after thread, you take the same predictable position. This, coupled with your snobbish, "Americans are ignorant, uncultured, blind pigs; I'm an intellectual, hurray for me-let me shove it down your throat" attitude makes you one of the few characters on this board that I truly dislike.

Ding ding ding! The bell has rung! Contestants, please come out of your corners!

 

[Lumberg]

What makes Arnold so great to me was his charisma , and tenacity. Any jackass can pop roids. I always sensed he was much more cerebral. I can't help thinking him marrying into the Kennedy's was a calculated effort.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

 

[casavant]

Ding ding ding! The bell has rung! Contestants, please come out of your corners!

Well damn, if I'm the only one that thinks this after all these months of reading his posts, then I'm operating at a much stranger frequency than I suspected.

 

[aurelius]

Come on about what? Are you saying that Arnold did a lot of juice and that is the sole reason that he beat everyone else back in the day? Seriously, what are you trying to say? Spell it out for me real clear-like. ]No. What are you trying to say? You said things like "charisma" and so forth. How exactly did that translate into bodybuilding victories? Were other competitors losing out simply because they were afraid to pop an extra 20 gms of d-bol and shoot some more deca? Arnold just was great because he was a crazy motherfucker who would eat steroids like candy? What do you mean by "great?"

Even when I was your size, I was never so quick to write off a person's success in bodybuilding as solely attributable to steroids. How does one get success (victories) in bodybuilding? (try not to use words like "charisma") Thread after thread after thread, you take the same predictable position. This, coupled with your snobbish, "Americans are ignorant, uncultured, blind pigs; I'm an intellectual, hurray for me-let me shove it down your throat" HA HA HA!!! I never called anyone a pig and Americans are no more ignorant than Spanish people. attitude makes you one of the few characters on this board that I truly dislike. You see, casavant, you come here trying to make friends with people. (like almost everyone here) But this is not reality. (where I have plenty of real friends) By saying you don´t like me I see you have confused the two. How can you truly say you don´t like me when you really have no idea who I am? [/QUOTE

 

[aurelius]

Well damn, if I'm the only one that thinks this after all these months of reading his posts, then I'm operating at a much stranger frequency than I suspected.

Don´t worry. Judging by the "wolfpack" phenomina I´ve seen displayed here you won´t be alone for long in attacking so, like I said, don´t worry. Help is on the way I´m sure!

p.s. the marriage into the Kennedy´s was actually a quality observation, whoever made it.

 

[casavant]

I said genetics and mindset. I agreed with minion in his post where he mentioned charisma, but that is all. And the attitude a person projects always has something to do with their success. I'll stand my ground on that.


Your attitude is implied.


I think most of us have lives off this board. I use it to kill time at work and gather more information.

"You see, casavant, you come here trying to make friends with people. (like almost everyone here)..."

...This statement is a case in point. It's just dripping with an air of superiorority. Also, If you will review my post again, you will see that I made a conscious effort to refer to you as a "character". But really, I'm sure some of who you are in reality comes through in your online persona as well. That can hardly be avoided. If it will make you feel any better, I will rephrase it- I have come to genuinely dislike the screenname that is know as "aurelius".

 

[aurelius]

I said genetics and mindset. I agreed with minion in his post where he mentioned charisma, but that is all. And the attitude a person projects always has something to do with their success. I'll stand my ground on that.

How does it add to bb victories?

...This statement is a case in point. It's just dripping with an air of superiorority.

none intended.

 

[Lumberg]

Aurelius,

Charisma has everything to do with bodybuilding victories. Judges are human beings. Arnold is able to charm just about anyone he meets. He has a certain magnetism, presence, star quality, je ne sais quos, whatever you want to call it. A lot of judging is based on stage presence, which Arnold had in spades.

This also relates to his "cerebral" quality--the whole tricking Sergio Oliva thing, the psyching out stuff, etc. Arnold used all the tools in his arsenal to win, and his charisma was one of the heavies.

btw this is not a wolfpack response.

carry on.

 

[casavant]

How does it add to bb victories?

Well, charisma, and more specifically, confidence, can be projected to the judges and intimidate your competitors. If you've seen "Pumping Iron", you have seen this in the '75 Olympia showdown. Even subtle things like body language affect those around you. This is the same reason why some guys can pull tail like crazy and others who are just as attractive or moreso cannot. This is one of the reasons there are some people who make great salesmen and some who suck.

 

[The Shadow]

If you heard the story of the 70 Olympiay ou would know that Arnold's minset won that show for him b/c he was outmanned by Olivia

 

[casavant]

Yo.

 

[aurelius]

If you heard the story of the 70 Olympiay ou would know that Arnold's minset won that show for him b/c he was outmanned by Olivia

Ok. I understand the stuff about salesmen and getting women and stage presence. But was that the whole story as to why judges chose him over other competitors? Was Lee Haney or Dorian bursting with "charisma?" How about Coleman? Or even Franco Colombo?

There was a "big" exposé over here a few months back about how the Miss España contest was rigged. Once the investigators showed what the contest was really about and how much money there was in winning the contest, it was easy to see why. How could this be any different?

 

[casavant]

It's not the be-all, end-all in competition, but it can make a difference. Of course, there's a lot of shitty judging out there, too.

 

[The Shadow]

Of course it wasn't the whole story.

Bottom lin - Arnold had the best upperbody in the business and could still stand up 30 years later...

Look at pics of Arnold and Olivia from the 70 show....Arnold tricked Olivia into leaving the stage b-4 the posedown was finished...THAT is why he won that show....he was just out muscled that year but FOUND A WAY TO WIN....


Same can be said for YATES....his mentality won at least two show....anyone else woulkd have sat out due to injuries...