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when do yall recommend starting clomid in comparison to my cycle and at what mg per day.? also going to take nolva, need advice on that too. thanks in advance! Oh, I have approx. 3 weeks left.
starting pct
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BiG n Natural
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it would be nice to kno wtf ur taking first
deca at 450 just dropped to 300 per wk.
oh and "WTF" be nice man!
some people havent done this very long.
bigmann245
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nolva is for if you suspect gyno or want to be safe during the cycle. clomid should start during your last week of the cycle. i would go with 100mg/day last week of cycle then dropping to 50mg/day for about 2-3 more weeks post cycle.
BiG n Natural
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well when u start ur pct has everything to do with "wtf" 
ur taking.
w/ deca some recommend waiting 3 weeks after your last injection b/c of its long half-life
some recommend this for clomid therapy:
300mgs first day of pct
200mgs second day
100mgs for 10 days
50mgs for 10 days
nolv should be 20mgs daily throughout
i like to rely more heavily on the nolv as i get less sides from it so i run 50mgs clomid and 50mgs nolv daily during my pct.
also how long was the duration of your cycle? b/c it would help out ur pct alot if you could get ur hands on some hcg, but that is need dependant on the duration of ur cycle
ur taking.w/ deca some recommend waiting 3 weeks after your last injection b/c of its long half-life
some recommend this for clomid therapy:
300mgs first day of pct
200mgs second day
100mgs for 10 days
50mgs for 10 days
nolv should be 20mgs daily throughout
i like to rely more heavily on the nolv as i get less sides from it so i run 50mgs clomid and 50mgs nolv daily during my pct.
also how long was the duration of your cycle? b/c it would help out ur pct alot if you could get ur hands on some hcg, but that is need dependant on the duration of ur cycle
the cycle will last approx. 9 wks. My left nip is a little soar today, i dont know if its gyno or pulled muscle. I wanted to hold out on the nolva but i might start it cause that gyno shit frightens me. --------when you say PCT - at 300 first day -- is that the last day of my cycle? All info is greatly appreciated.!
BiG n Natural
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BiG n Natural said:
i would wait out the 3 weeks so most of the gear can clear your system
bigmann245
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firesprink420 said:
300 is a lot but it wont hurt. but i wouldnt wait 3 weeks to start pct. but that is just my opinion. you want to start the pct while the deca is declining as well as after it is gone. that is why i recommended start during your last week of your cycle and continue for 3 weeks after. you can go longer if you feel you need it but hopefully others will chime in and give their opinion.
BiG n Natural
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bigmann245 said:
i think ur gettin confused with hcg, i never heard of clomid run that way.
very curious y would u
BiG n Natural
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bigmann245 said:
300 all at once is because clomid has a 5 day halflife, so it gets ur levels up to begin with and the 100mg a day dose makes them still rise, and 50mgs keeps em even until u stop and they start declining
i dunt understand why starting clomid while the deca is still at levels that suppress your system. HCG should be used during this time b/c your nuts are at 40% of their original size. This means they can only produce 40% of ur natural test levels. The HCG brings them bak to 100% and producing 100%
the clomid makes your produce LH, which i dunt kno if it does while ther are super doses of exogenous androgens still present. but still why hcg is reccomended is b/c when the androgens clear and u start clomid and nolv if ur nuts are at 40% they can only product 40% until they start growing bak. Granted the nolv n clomid makes them come bak quicker, but hcg could do this in a week.
also if u elect to run pct your way, u would need to extend ur pct into the weeks that ther androgens are out of us system, where there is no further suppression and the clomid and nolv can work at their full effect
if you had hcg i would recommend running that for 3 weeks after ur last shot then when adrogens clear run the nolv/clomid
bigmann245
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im doing mine that way along with hcg as well. it's even posted on this site in the ebook. http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/chemwiz/ check out the sample cycle. and being that he is on deca only does not require him to do that much clomid unless he has it and wants to be cautious. im not upset that we have different views on this but never the less, using clomid pct is a must.
i dont have any hcg. just clomid and nolva. glad to see there are differences in opinions, ill take both of your suggestions and i appreciate them. If anyone else has a suggestion ill take it too. thanks
bigmann245
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firesprink420 said:
i thought he meant 300mg of clomid/day. thats why i said it was a bit high. im doing 100mg/day for 2 weeks and then taper to 50mg/day for 3 weeks after due to my high doses of AAS im on. since your on 450mg deca only you dont need as much clomid. thats why taking 300mg/day would be overkill imop. either way would work i just dont like gapping my cycle a week before i take clomid. i always start during my last week and go from there. to each his own i guess.
