Spank your child for punishment?

[Turd Ferguson]

I'm not a fan of parenting useing fear. I do understand how kids can push the parent to the breaking point.

First, remember that spanking has been the primary means of raising children throughout history until a few decades ago.

Second, corporal punishment can become a bad habit. Swatting children when they make you mad or embarassed, even when they have done nothing wrong per-se, can happen when a parent is too quick to swat.

Finally, spanking usually has nothing to do with the offense. Steal a nickle, get a spanking. There is no relation between the offense and the punishment, just a fear of getting caught and a casual notion that the parent is concerned about stealing. OTOH, if you give a consequence, like steal something from him for a while, and take the time to teach him why stealing is bad, and it can be argued that you have done a far better job of parenting than the parent who simply smacks.

 

[bluepeter]

I spank my son and see nothing wrong with it. As long as you only spank them on the butt (they can't feel it through their diaper anyway) and aren't 'hitting' them.

It also needs to be used sparingly more to get their attention than anything else. Raising your voice or speaking sternly is great but they will eventually tune you out...

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I smack my kids about with a lead pipe if they so much as look cross eyed at me - Gota instill discipline, and make them respect my authority.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I think I will be more the type to threaten spanking but almost never do it. I think talking sternly in no uncertain terms is the start. Then if they still don't listen it's time to take something away that they really like.

 

[from zero]

I usually resort to chemical burn, bludgeoning with a tire iron, brick to the face, and early burial before spanking.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I usually resort to chemical burn, bludgeoning with a tire iron, brick to the face, and early burial before spanking.

You have much to teach bor.

 

[CipherLock]

In all honesty I beat myself up in front of my children until they cry. I usually have to bleed or pee my shorts but it gets the point across. DON'T SPILL THE DAMN MILK!

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I've only had to spank my kids a few times,and usually it was when they were just walking all over me and not being respectful.Now I can just give them the 'look',and they will usually snap to.They are pretty well behaved though,so I don't have to be stern with them often.

My dad whipped my ass royally as a kid though.Usually it was when I was doing something that warranted it.I have no problem with the asskickins he gave me,it kept me from repeating stupid shit out of fear,hehheh.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Beat the shit out of yes! Spank heavens no that's barbaric!

 

[jh1]

I inject the little jerkoffs with Drano if I think they are even considering misbehavior.

Fuck that shit. I ain't putting up with it. Other good ideas are to find a priest willing to molest them (easy to do at your local Catholic Church), put finely ground glass in their food, or let a hungry rat naw at their abdomen...

 

[big_bad_buff]

my parent's spanked my bare ass with a paddle as hard as they could when I was a kid. hurt so damn bad, but taught me a lesson. the problem with people today is there not punishing their kids. if you don’t, I do not respect you at all, and you’re the one contributing to all the BS violence, disrespect etc that goes on in society. It’s your fault, not your children’s

 

[gonelifting]

No spanking here, I put my kid in "Time out" Yes time out. bastards. I said it. She hates it. Now when she does something wrong I ask her if she wants to stop or go into time out? She stops. .. mostly. lol

She`s 2 years old so her time out is me holding her from running around.

 

[Y_lifter]

Spank um when they are young 1-4 years old,
You won't have to spank them when they are older 6-18
..and you shouldn't...

When they are young, spanking is about respect and attention.

When they get older, spanking turns to mean violence, punishment, fear..

When they get older you have to work harder and use mind games on them..

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Fuck that shit. I ain't putting up with it. Other good ideas are to find a priest willing to molest them (easy to do at your local Catholic Church)

Let them live with Curling for a day

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

BTW-My dad and all his siblings got their asses lacerated with a razor strap by my grandpa,so in comparisons the belt I got whipped with wasn't shit.Every last one of them never got in trouble in school or with the law in their entire lives,that ought to tell you something,lol.

 

[Werd]

I think I will be more the type to threaten spanking but almost never do it.

There is nothing worse than doing this. Why on earth would you threaten a punishment but then "almost never follow through". This is more confusing than anything else. The child will not understand the concept of discipline.

The key to proper discipline is not necessarily the type of punishment use, rather consistency.

I do agree with some of the points you made, especially the part about it becoming too easy and perhaps the punishment not always fitting the crime.

Discipline is about consistency and guidance. Sometimes a negative reinforcement is necessary. IMHO

Spanking should always be performed in a calm and controlled and private fashion. Send the child to his/her room so that you can have a chance to cool down. Enter the room, have a talk so that the child understands exactly what it is that they have done to warrant the spanking. One shot across the behind with a belt should be more than enough to get the point across.

One should always try other means of negative reinforcement first ie - the revocation of a privilige. Warn the child, "If you do this, then that will certainly occur" then always, always, always follow through. Another good reason to send a child to their room: so you can calm down and think about an acceptable punishment as it is difficult to think clearly when you are upset.

There is an expression in my language:

"It is better that you should cry now, than I should cry later."

Call me old fashioned, but this idea just seems to make sense to me.

However, as the child becomes older and can reason more and more a parent can no longer rely on spanking. Then one must clearly think a lot in order to even make 1/2 an attempt at proper parenting. Lots of mistakes to be made along the way... After all, it is the child that makes the parent - not the other way around.

And no, you don't have to have children in order to figure this stuff out.

 

[big_bad_buff]

exactly, when there older you just put their butts to work. GO CLEAN THE GARAGE!!!! LOL

Spank um when they are young 1-4 years old,
You won't have to spank them when they are older 6-18
..and you shouldn't...

When they are young, spanking is about respect and attention.

When they get older, spanking turns to mean violence, punishment, fear..

When they get older you have to work harder and use mind games on them..

 

[Werd]

Punishment for stealing is easy: make the child return whatever it was they stole to the person/place they stole it from and apologize then ask for punishment.

I can guarantee you that child will never so much as think to steal again.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Spank that ass just for fun

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You don't want to be in the situation where you are 60, they are 28, and it's payback time.

Think about it.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

There is nothing worse than doing this. Why on earth would you threaten a punishment but then "almost never follow through". This is more confusing than anything else. The child will not understand the concept of discipline.

The key to proper discipline is not necessarily the type of punishment use, rather consistency.

I do agree with some of the points you made, especially the part about it becoming too easy and perhaps the punishment not always fitting the crime.

Discipline is about consistency and guidance. Sometimes a negative reinforcement is necessary. IMHO

Spanking should always be performed in a calm and controlled and private fashion. Send the child to his/her room so that you can have a chance to cool down. Enter the room, have a talk so that the child understands exactly what it is that they have done to warrant the spanking. One shot across the behind with a belt should be more than enough to get the point across.

One should always try other means of negative reinforcement first ie - the revocation of a privilige. Warn the child, "If you do this, then that will certainly occur" then always, always, always follow through. Another good reason to send a child to their room: so you can calm down and think about an acceptable punishment as it is difficult to think clearly when you are upset.

There is an expression in my language:

"It is better that you should cry now, than I should cry later."

Call me old fashioned, but this idea just seems to make sense to me.

However, as the child becomes older and can reason more and more a parent can no longer rely on spanking. Then one must clearly think a lot in order to even make 1/2 an attempt at proper parenting. Lots of mistakes to be made along the way... After all, it is the child that makes the parent - not the other way around.

And no, you don't have to have children in order to figure this stuff out.

I think when a kid misbehaves you threaten what ever punishment first. Then if they continue you do it. It depends on the kid. I have a 11 y.o. that never has been spanked. he is a sensitive kid. I yell at him or threaten a grounding and he starts crying. Point made. No hitting needed.

I do understand the not following through part. Thats my wife. I mean business.

 

[Werd]

A warning and a threat are two different things, but now I see what you were trying to say. I originally thought you meant you were one of those parents that will make idle threats and then wonder why your kid doesn't listen.

My bad.

If you can raise a child without ever having to spank them, then I say, "More power to you." I mean that, no sarcasm at all.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

A warning and a threat are two different things, but now I see what you were trying to say. I originally thought you meant you were one of those parents that will make idle threats and then wonder why your kid doesn't listen.

My bad.

If you can raise a child without ever having to spank them, then I say, "More power to you." I mean that, no sarcasm at all.

LOL,an old buddy of mine's(who's kids were a fucking nightmare)favorite quote to his kids was,"ONE MORE TIME,AND I'M GONNA SPANK!"Needless to say,his kids would literally give him the finger while laughing,and immediately go and do whatever it was he was threatening against,lol.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

All good points but I don't see how everyone can simply dismis spanking teaches that violence is o.k.

Do you honestly think that if a child never saw someone hitting someone else that they would just invent the violent behavor?

http://www.geocities.com/forkidsake/spanking.html

and more so:

Why are spankings, slaps, and even apparently harmless blows like pats on the hand dangerous for a baby?


They teach it violence
They destroy the infallible certainty of being loved that the baby needs
They cause anxiety; the expectancy of the next break
They convey a lie: they pretend to be educational, but parents actually use them to vent their anger; when they strike, it’s because, as children, they were struck themselves
They provoke anger and a desire for revenge, which remain repressed only to be expressed much later
They program the child to accept illogical arguments (I’m hurting you for your own good) that stay stored up in their body
They destroy sensitivity and compassion for others and for oneself, and hence limit the capacity to gain insight

What long-term lessons does the baby retain from spankings and other blows? The baby learns:


That a child does not deserve respect
That good can be learned through punishment (which is usually wrong, since punishment merely teaches the children to want to punish on their own turn)
That suffering mustn’t be felt, it must be ignored (which is dangerous to the immune system)
That violence is a manifestation of love (fostering perversion)
That denial of feeling is healthy (but the body pays the price of this error, often much later)

How is repressed anger very often vented? In childhood and adolescence:


By making fun of the weak
By hitting classmates
By annoying the teachers
By watching tv and playing video games to experience forbidden and stored up feelings of rage and anger, and by identifying with violent heroes. (Children who have never been beaten are less interested in cruel films, and, as adults, will not produce horror shows).
In adulthood:
By perpetuating spanking, as an apparently educational and effective means, often heartily recommended to others, whereas in actual fact, one’s own suffering is being avenged on the next generation
By refusing to understand the connections between previously experienced violence and the violence actively repeated today. The ignorance of society is thereby perpetuated
By entering professions which demand violence
By being gullible to politicians who designate scapegoats for the violence that has been stored up and which can finally be vented with impunity: “impure” races, ethnic “cleansing”, ostracized social minorities
(Because of obedience to violence as a child), by readiness to obey any authority which recalls the authority of the parents, as the Germans obeyed Hitler, the Russians Stalin, the Serbs Milosivic.

Conversely, some become aware of the repression and universal denial of childhood pain, realizing how violence is transmitted from parents to children, and stop hitting children regardless of age. This can be done (many have succeeded) as soon as one has understood that the causes of the “educational” violence are hidden in the repressed history of the parents.

Alice Miller, June 99, author of the book Paths of Life (Pantheon 1998) and eight other books on childhood.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

I just take away something that he or she loves for a week, e.g. TV, a game, playing outside… etc. So far it has worked every time.

 

[BO-DEN]

i think violence is a good lesson for all children... makes them know they arent indestructable

 

[atlantabiolab]

All good points but I don't see how everyone can simply dismis spanking teaches that violence is o.k.

Do you honestly think that if a child never saw someone hitting someone else that they would just invent the violent behavor?

http://www.geocities.com/forkidsake/spanking.html

and more so:

Why are spankings, slaps, and even apparently harmless blows like pats on the hand dangerous for a baby?


They teach it violence
They destroy the infallible certainty of being loved that the baby needs
They cause anxiety; the expectancy of the next break
They convey a lie: they pretend to be educational, but parents actually use them to vent their anger; when they strike, it’s because, as children, they were struck themselves
They provoke anger and a desire for revenge, which remain repressed only to be expressed much later
They program the child to accept illogical arguments (I’m hurting you for your own good) that stay stored up in their body
They destroy sensitivity and compassion for others and for oneself, and hence limit the capacity to gain insight

What long-term lessons does the baby retain from spankings and other blows? The baby learns:


That a child does not deserve respect
That good can be learned through punishment (which is usually wrong, since punishment merely teaches the children to want to punish on their own turn)
That suffering mustn’t be felt, it must be ignored (which is dangerous to the immune system)
That violence is a manifestation of love (fostering perversion)
That denial of feeling is healthy (but the body pays the price of this error, often much later)

How is repressed anger very often vented? In childhood and adolescence:


By making fun of the weak
By hitting classmates
By annoying the teachers
By watching tv and playing video games to experience forbidden and stored up feelings of rage and anger, and by identifying with violent heroes. (Children who have never been beaten are less interested in cruel films, and, as adults, will not produce horror shows).
In adulthood:
By perpetuating spanking, as an apparently educational and effective means, often heartily recommended to others, whereas in actual fact, one’s own suffering is being avenged on the next generation
By refusing to understand the connections between previously experienced violence and the violence actively repeated today. The ignorance of society is thereby perpetuated
By entering professions which demand violence
By being gullible to politicians who designate scapegoats for the violence that has been stored up and which can finally be vented with impunity: “impure” races, ethnic “cleansing”, ostracized social minorities
(Because of obedience to violence as a child), by readiness to obey any authority which recalls the authority of the parents, as the Germans obeyed Hitler, the Russians Stalin, the Serbs Milosivic.

Conversely, some become aware of the repression and universal denial of childhood pain, realizing how violence is transmitted from parents to children, and stop hitting children regardless of age. This can be done (many have succeeded) as soon as one has understood that the causes of the “educational” violence are hidden in the repressed history of the parents.

Alice Miller, June 99, author of the book Paths of Life (Pantheon 1998) and eight other books on childhood.

This pseudo-scientific bullshit is contrary to common every day empirical evidence. We are a nation, that up until about 50 yrs ago, had no problem with spanking children -and do not construe this to mean any type of physical force...a spanking is not the same as a pummeling - and our ancestors were well adjusted mannered functional individuals. Today, in our psychology dominated setting, we have some of the most fucked up dysfunctional kids ever, many of whom are comatose from pharmacuetical mind control.

Explain this major discrepancy.

 

[IhateOsama]

A hot tire iron never hurt anyone. Well at least there are skin grafts available now.

 

[Longhorn85]

You don't want to be in the situation where you are 60, they are 28, and it's payback time.

Think about it.

Treat your kids with love and respect (to include punishment and when necessary, spankings) and you won't have to worry about this.

 

[HumorMe]

This pseudo-scientific bullshit is contrary to common every day empirical evidence. We are a nation, that up until about 50 yrs ago, had no problem with spanking children -and do not construe this to mean any type of physical force...a spanking is not the same as a pummeling - and our ancestors were well adjusted mannered functional individuals. Today, in our psychology dominated setting, we have some of the most fucked up dysfunctional kids ever, many of whom are comatose from pharmacuetical mind control.

Explain this major discrepancy.

A fucking men! Good points.

 

[chrisoh]

my parents whipped me when I was a kid, literally i had to sit there with my hands out and they'd whack them with everything from the metal part of a flycatcher to a wooden spatula handle for 10 minutes, hurt like a bitch but I always deserved it and it set me straight, I support what they did now and I'm happy cause i think it made me a better man.

If my children misbehave I'll do the same thing.

 

[coldblue1955]

beating the hell out of your kid is the only option sometimes.

 

[Gymgurl]

Treat your kids with love and respect (to include punishment and when necessary, spankings) and you won't have to worry about this.

Couldn't have said it better.....My question to Turd is do you have kids of your own?

 

[vixenbabe]

We spank our child. Thank God, we do not have to do this often cuz she's a good child.

There are times I just have to show her the home made paddle and it's enough to give her an attitude adjustment.

Hey, I guess it's better to spank 'em so they don't get handcuffed to benches at school. No kidding! School here in Toledo is getting some major crap from some parents whose kids got the' cuff to a bench so the school could control 'em !

 

[Mandinka2]

You don't want to be in the situation where you are 60, they are 28, and it's payback time.

Think about it.

I 15 , him 43 , nailed him to the wall.

 

[Mandinka2]

I spank my son and see nothing wrong with it. As long as you only spank them on the butt (they can't feel it through their diaper anyway) and aren't 'hitting' them.

It also needs to be used sparingly more to get their attention than anything else. Raising your voice or speaking sternly is great but they will eventually tune you out...

You know for a guy who has some very enlightened quotes you've just written something remakably stupid:

1. You only spank your son (gonna have some major issues there pal)

2. You only spank them on the butt (thereby humiliating them) but "they can't feel it anyway" ......... more to get their attention than anything else.

Ever try candy , treats , inducement , talkin blah blah.....?

 

[casualbb]

This pseudo-scientific bullshit is contrary to common every day empirical evidence. We are a nation, that up until about 50 yrs ago, had no problem with spanking children -and do not construe this to mean any type of physical force...a spanking is not the same as a pummeling - and our ancestors were well adjusted mannered functional individuals. Today, in our psychology dominated setting, we have some of the most fucked up dysfunctional kids ever, many of whom are comatose from pharmacuetical mind control.

Explain this major discrepancy.

Being a man of science, shame on you: Correlation does not imply causation.

50 years ago, almost every child was part of a mellow nuclear family. They may not have known proper parenting by today's standards, but on the whole kids were better cared for relative to today, when many kids are born to underage mothers without fathers, etc.

You assume that everybody follows to a T the pscyhological guidelines for proper parenting. Heh, yeah right.

 

[HumorMe]

Being a man of science, shame on you: Correlation does not imply causation.

50 years ago, almost every child was part of a mellow nuclear family. They may not have known proper parenting by today's standards, but on the whole kids were better cared for relative to today, when many kids are born to underage mothers without fathers, etc.

You assume that everybody follows to a T the pscyhological guidelines for proper parenting. Heh, yeah right.

What is your idea of proper parenting?

 

[jh1]

Couldn't have said it better.....My question to Turd is do you have kids of your own?

I am not Turd, but I know him well enough I can answer for him -

Yes he has two. I'll let him divulge details if he wants to do so.

 

[mostly_a_lurker]

some very entertaining replies to this post.

my daughter is only 19months old and I couldn't imagine spanking her, i think it would hurt me worse. I once raised my voice at her and she just absolutely broke down in tears with all the huffing and puffing and short breath type crying, i felt so bad. But she's still too young to really know what she's doing. But I don't think I could ever spank her, even though I was spanked as a kid.

 

[HumorMe]

some very entertaining replies to this post.

my daughter is only 19months old and I couldn't imagine spanking her, i think it would hurt me worse. I once raised my voice at her and she just absolutely broke down in tears with all the huffing and puffing and short breath type crying, i felt so bad. But she's still too young to really know what she's doing. But I don't think I could ever spank her, even though I was spanked as a kid.

Did your mother or father ever tell you, "Son, this hurts me worse than it hurts you?"

19 months old is not old enough to spank in my opinion. There will come a time when you have to do it.

It does hurt to spank a child. I've cried a river of tears after spanking my two daughters. Being consistant in disciplining is the key. If you tell your child you will spank them if they do something then you need to follow through with it.

Letting them off the hook for doing certain things will only complicate matters.

 

[mostly_a_lurker]

Did your mother or father ever tell you, "Son, this hurts me worse than it hurts you?"

19 months old is not old enough to spank in my opinion. There will come a time when you have to do it.

It does hurt to spank a child. I've cried a river of tears after spanking my two daughters. Being consistant in disciplining is the key. If you tell your child you will spank them if they do something then you need to follow through with it.

Letting them off the hook for doing certain things will only complicate matters.

actually my mom never said that to me nor did I ever get that sense from her, no biggie. I got the belt for being too loud in the morning and waking her up.
But yeah, i know 19months is way too young for a spanking, at the moment my wife and I don't see the need for spankings any anytime during her life. But that's a little premature, the time may come where her actions just may warrrant one, but even then is it necessary? we'll most likely think of another consequence.

 

[HumorMe]

actually my mom never said that to me nor did I ever get that sense from her, no biggie. I got the belt for being too loud in the morning and waking her up.
But yeah, i know 19months is way too young for a spanking, at the moment my wife and I don't see the need for spankings any anytime during her life. But that's a little premature, the time may come where her actions just may warrrant one, but even then is it necessary? we'll most likely think of another consequence.

Give it time and have another child. Two children are a dead lock on spankings.

I don't spank them very often. I can usually just give them a look and all activities stop dead. My brother has a 16 year old daughter and he wore her ass out the other day for kicking her mother. Of course, she is a drama queen anyway and overreacts to everything.

 

[casualbb]

Proper parenting is being firm in your expectations without being emotional. Don't yell at your kids.

A good time-out is just as effective as a spanking without engendering hatred and resentment.

 

[corythosaurus]

Proper parenting is being firm in your expectations without being emotional. Don't yell at your kids.

A good time-out is just as effective as a spanking without engendering hatred and resentment.

You have kids yourself?

 

[atlantabiolab]

Being a man of science, shame on you: Correlation does not imply causation.

50 years ago, almost every child was part of a mellow nuclear family. They may not have known proper parenting by today's standards, but on the whole kids were better cared for relative to today, when many kids are born to underage mothers without fathers, etc.

Quite correct that this simple correlation does not equate to a causation, but it still easily disposes of the above list of "psychological traumas" and dysfunctionalisms which are purported to stem from a spanking. The empirical evidence destroys the notion that a spanking promotes violence, destroys character, produces hatred towards authority, etc.

The problem with all such models is that it focuses in on only two variables: spanking and psychological effect, it removes the person from the reality of the real world, where a multitude of variables influence the person.

You assume that everybody follows to a T the pscyhological guidelines for proper parenting. Heh, yeah right.

I do no such thing, for there is no "psychological guidelines", as the psychological community cannot agree on anything.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

some very entertaining replies to this post.

my daughter is only 19months old and I couldn't imagine spanking her, i think it would hurt me worse. I once raised my voice at her and she just absolutely broke down in tears with all the huffing and puffing and short breath type crying, i felt so bad. But she's still too young to really know what she's doing. But I don't think I could ever spank her, even though I was spanked as a kid.

Just wait untill she is 16, smoking hot, and all the boys wanna see her milk shake, your gonna hate life if she is a wild one! It will drive you insane!

 

[casualbb]

Quite correct that this simple correlation does not equate to a causation, but it still easily disposes of the above list of "psychological traumas" and dysfunctionalisms which are purported to stem from a spanking. The empirical evidence destroys the notion that a spanking promotes violence, destroys character, produces hatred towards authority, etc.

You're still assuming that people spank their children less than they used to. On what basis are you making that claim?

I say that that even though we now "know" how better to raise children, fewer people pay any attention to the recommendations.

 

[atlantabiolab]

You're still assuming that people spank their children less than they used to. On what basis are you making that claim?

I do not have any data demonstrating the percentages of spankings per child, per capita, etc., merely the experience that older generations are very open about corporal punishment during their youth vs. the very apprehensive society of today. You would be hard pressed to find a person who grew up in the 40's and 50's who states that parents of their generation were afraid or wary of corporal punishment. Contrast this to today.

There are definately populations that can be observed where corporal punishment is still used heavily and have high rates of dysfunctionalism. Unfortunately, focusing only on this variable blinds the observer to many factors which are confounding to their conclusions.

I say that that even though we now "know" how better to raise children, fewer people pay any attention to the recommendations.

And I find many of the parenting modalities presented today to be insulting to my intelligence.

Damn, now it looks like I advocate beating children.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

This pseudo-scientific bullshit is contrary to common every day empirical evidence. We are a nation, that up until about 50 yrs ago, had no problem with spanking children -and do not construe this to mean any type of physical force...a spanking is not the same as a pummeling - and our ancestors were well adjusted mannered functional individuals. Today, in our psychology dominated setting, we have some of the most fucked up dysfunctional kids ever, many of whom are comatose from pharmacuetical mind control.

Explain this major discrepancy.

Most of the responses I've read say that the dysfunction in kids you speak of were from kids who were spanked. That seems to be the norm for correction. Maybe the people you speak of are lazy parents.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Most of the responses I've read say that the dysfunction in kids you speak of were from kids who were spanked. That seems to be the norm for correction. Maybe the people you speak of are lazy parents.

Then how do we explain the lack of correlation in millions of people who were corrected with corporal punishment and turned out perfectly fine?

 

[gonelifting]

I really should have read all the replies. I don`t spank my kid. 2 years old only daughter (so far) I just started giving "time out" Not much, just hold her in front of me and tell her what she did wrong. Is that going to change at some point? I`m being realistic I have no idea what to expect.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Then how do we explain the lack of correlation in millions of people who were corrected with corporal punishment and turned out perfectly fine?

I don't try to. I just don't think it is necesary. Some of the responses I get when I pose this question are scary. Some people actually think they have to spank. Not so. Many types of correction get the same result. I'm not saying that spankind for sure causes the psychological problems I listed. But if say one of those issues happens to my kid. Why wouldn't I want to be safe if its not needed. It's like smoking and being prego. I may cause birth defects. But we don't know. Why take the chance.

Now if your saying you have to spank your kids or they will be a misbehaved child. I disagree. I just think spanking is taking a shortcut to parenting. And if you are forced to spank, you've not done your job correctly at some point before you reach that time.

 

[atlantabiolab]

I don't try to. I just don't think it is necesary. Some of the responses I get when I pose this question are scary. Some people actually think they have to spank. Not so. Many types of correction get the same result. I'm not saying that spankind for sure causes the psychological problems I listed. But if say one of those issues happens to my kid. Why wouldn't I want to be safe if its not needed. It's like smoking and being prego. I may cause birth defects. But we don't know. Why take the chance.

Now if your saying you have to spank your kids or they will be a misbehaved child. I disagree. I just think spanking is taking a shortcut to parenting. And if you are forced to spank, you've not done your job correctly at some point before you reach that time.

Do not misconstrue my point, which is simply that the cause/effect theory postulated by anti-corporal punishment advocates has more holes than swiss cheese.