some progress....

[LVTitan]

as you all know , i was pretty sick beginning of the year and lost LOTS of weight, considering my size. i was down to 128lbs in february. i fought the depression and shit and started working out again, first pic is around i think like april, just getting back into my routine, i'm around 130 lbs and i actually look bloated for some reason, and i'm not on gear in this pic:




this one is about a few weeks ago, only a few weeks into an EQ/DECA cycle, so really dont think the gear is even having that big of an effect yet, but i am eating super clean and training hard again, i'm around 140lbs in this pic. i'm only 5 7" so i'd like to get up to around 160lbs i think that would be about the limit to where i would def draw attention to my ways and means..




lets hear it, lemme have it..

 

[chefbone]

Lookin' good broham. Any sides yet? Are you bloated at all?

 

[Apexx]

What's up bro, good to see that you're rebounding quite nicely. The second shot is kinda dark and blurry, got any others.

 

[LVTitan]

no man, only camera i have is on my phone, so hard to get a quality pic. no sides yet. only side i usually get is acne , and that comes AFTER cycle. i'm still battling it from my last cycle, but on medication for it now and it's getting better. i'm actually leaner than i was a few months ago. i've only put on a few pounds, but my body looks completely different. i didnt realize i had put on a little fat until i lost it. although with my ecto status, a little fat would probably do me good, hence the reason i threw the dea into this cycle.

i mean deca... haha what a fucking mistake to make..

 

[bicepts101]

you look a lot better bro...your arms look pretty big for a guy that only weighs 140.....keep us posted on progress bro....post some more pics in a few weeks

 

[LVTitan]

you look a lot better bro...your arms look pretty big for a guy that only weighs 140.....keep us posted on progress bro....post some more pics in a few weeks

thanks bro man. yeah when last winter i had 16" arms, and i was only 150lbs and 5 7" so i did look kinda jacked. just need to get my chest to catch up. and do more legs.

 

[bicepts101]

keep up there hard work bro

 

[LVTitan]

hunger kicking my ass... always starving now, but i have no room for food. i feel like throwing up cause i have to force myself to eat, but i feel full. cant eat any more.
how you can feel full, and be in so much pain from hunger pangs at the same time.
it fucking hurts man.

 

[Mr.X]

LVTitan, I like the tats. looking good bro

 

[LVTitan]

LVTitan, I like the tats. looking good bro

thank you my friend. i just switched from regular benching to using dumbell presses and i am finally getting some definition in my chest. cant wait till my delts come back full blown !!

 

[Extra_Strong]

i cant see shit.. but keep it up ha ha..

 

[LVTitan]

no the only diff you can see in these pics is that my arms are quite a bit bigger... arms and delts alwasy get big fast though, everything else lags behind.

 

[LVTitan]

who can give me some good tricep routine ? i only do the rope pulldown, and the pulldown with bar, but i need to work my tri's more to catch up with the front..

 

[Bruce]

your arms look great man and your delts. i know how you feel with the camera phone but if you download paint shop pro you can clean up the noise from the camera and it looks almost perfect quality. if you keep progressing like that i see no reason why you won't be 170 at least

 

[Stryker1992]

Hey bro, I did not know you got that sick/??????

I am sorry to hear that! You do look pretty fucking good man, I am impressed given the weight you state you are at!!!!



P.S.:

You have mail!!!

 

[Goodfellow]

for your triceps try weighted dips, close grip bench.

 

[LVTitan]

yeah man, i totally forgot about dips. i stopped doing them last year cause my shoulder was killing me. but with the deca in me now, i'm sure i can go back to them.
i never did them weighted, just used to do many sets.
25, then 20 then 15, then 10, then 5, then the last set i would go to failure , usually try to get another 20

 

[LVTitan]

cant seem to put on any weight yet. been on for almost 5 weeks, was 141 the other day, now back to 138... fuck i'm staying around the same weight, but i'm getting much more size/definition.. cant imagine i'm losing any fat, as i dont really have any..
you can see plenty of abs, and even some ribs still show, but i want my abs to look massive, not just cut.. what do you guys do to get killer abs, do you do high weight, or high reps ? and how often should the abs be worked on?
what are the best ab exercises.
i want to show off what i can get , because i have the abs and arms....
legs are gonna be my problem spot, i'm already knowin', but have had numerous surgeries on legs and knees so cant strain them much.

 

[Goldprospector]

Looking good bro. Yewah try dips and kickbacks (the kickback burn in places that dips and pushdown don't)

 

[LVTitan]

what are kickbacks, like skullcrushers?

 

[krishna]

That's some tremendous progress from the first pic to the second. Looks like you're back on track and you'll be kicking ass again in no time! Throw in some skull crushers and some overhead dumbells for your tri's. There's a lot of other things you can do, but those work great for me. I also like one handed reverse grip pulls with the cables. Good luck bro.....keep us posted.

 

[TheRide]

who can give me some good tricep routine ? i only do the rope pulldown, and the pulldown with bar, but i need to work my tri's more to catch up with the front..

I have been hitting my tri's fairly hard for the last year or two since they make up more muscle density of your arm then everyone's favorite, bicept. I typically will superset an extention and pulldown exercise:

Rope Pulldown/Behind the neck rope extention
Skull Crunches/V Bar pulldowns
Single Arm cable pulldowns/single arm extentions

I do 1 warm up 12-15 reps and 3 working sets which are usually 6-10 reps. I do not do all 6 exercises everytime I train tri's - I will switch it up often.

Here's the kicker... 30 sec break between sets. By that I mean:
Rope Pull down and then IMMEDIATLY behind the neck rope extentions. Rest 30 seconds and repeat.

And be warned... first day after isn't bad, 2 days later... life will suck!!

Hope that helps bro!

 

[LVTitan]

That's some tremendous progress from the first pic to the second. Looks like you're back on track and you'll be kicking ass again in no time! Throw in some skull crushers and some overhead dumbells for your tri's. There's a lot of other things you can do, but those work great for me. I also like one handed reverse grip pulls with the cables. Good luck bro.....keep us posted.

thanx krishna

have been hitting my tri's fairly hard for the last year or two since they make up more muscle density of your arm then everyone's favorite, bicept. I typically will superset an extention and pulldown exercise:

Rope Pulldown/Behind the neck rope extention
Skull Crunches/V Bar pulldowns
Single Arm cable pulldowns/single arm extentions

I do 1 warm up 12-15 reps and 3 working sets which are usually 6-10 reps. I do not do all 6 exercises everytime I train tri's - I will switch it up often.

Here's the kicker... 30 sec break between sets. By that I mean:
Rope Pull down and then IMMEDIATLY behind the neck rope extentions. Rest 30 seconds and repeat.

And be warned... first day after isn't bad, 2 days later... life will suck!!

Hope that helps bro! :

thx man ... !

 

[LVTitan]

now what about the abs !!!!

 

[Extra_Strong]

for abs. hang from the chin up bar and pull your knee all the way up to your arm pits.
as soon as your done drop down and do crunches.. no rest.

I dont work on arms much any more.. but my favorite was doing weighted or hangging dips to failure and with out rest run to a bench and do dips on the bench with just your body weight... 3sets of those . that will kill them tries..

then end with push downs after the sets just to feel that little extra..

let me know what you think.

 

[sandman_007]

what are kickbacks, like skullcrushers?

i think he means tricep kickbacks w/ dumbells, if u want to hit your left tricep you just put your left knee on a flat bench, with the right foot on the floor. grab the dumbell to your side and move your arm backwards to train your triceps.......there must be a good site that shows you the exercise. but it is a good one to add to your routine occasionally

 

[krishna]

Skull crushers - lie on your back on a bench, use a curl bar and bring the weight to your forehead while bending at the elbow; then extend the weight out using your tri-cept until your arms are straight and perpindicular to your body. I like to use the grips/angles in the bar that are closest together. Your hands should be tilted up toward the pinky end of your hand to allow for natural, fluid motion.

 

[satchboogie]

damn bro that arm is lookin much much MUCH thicker!!

good work my man im damn proud!

 

[karachi183]

Nice size for your stats!

 

[LVTitan]

damn bro that arm is lookin much much MUCH thicker!!

good work my man im damn proud!

thanx satchel my man, means a lot coming from you.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Tris=overhead dumbell
close grip pushdowns
rope pulldowns

6-8 sets total AND heavy and you'll be toast


Abs=basic crunches
rope crunches
weighted decline sit ups

 

[karachi183]

thanx satchel my man, means a lot coming from you.

Try behind the head press with the hammer bar for tris. Gets my arms swole asap.

 

[satchboogie]

Tris=overhead dumbell
close grip pushdowns
rope pulldowns

6-8 sets total AND heavy and you'll be toast


Abs=basic crunches
rope crunches
weighted decline sit ups

the tricep routine is EXACTLY how i do it!
10 sets max and my tris are done!

for abs, i stick with 4 sets of crunches to the point of agonizing pain.
once a week is enough for my abs.

 

[bicepts101]

the bread and butter to any routine is dumbells and barbells....that being said for triceps concentrate on
close grip bench,
skull crushers(propabably the best)
weighted dips,
overhead dumbell press( i like to alternate between using one arm or two arms)

choose from 2 or three of them and switch it up after a few weeks to keep your body guessing

bread and butter bro............finish with some rope pull downs or one arm extentions....

 

[BIGJAKE]

Keep driving forward Bro.

 

[van_wilder]

I don't mean to be a dick... cuz you're a good bro, but don't you think you could have held off the juice a little and put on some weight naturally?? I went through the same deal with getting sick and depression and lost about 35lbs in 2 months!!!! got my shit straight and put the weight back on and more naturally. Just wondering why you decided to juice at that weight? i mean anyone else would've gotten flamed to shit for that... again, not trying to be a dick just throwing my .02 out there.
VW

 

[LVTitan]

I don't mean to be a dick... cuz you're a good bro, but don't you think you could have held off the juice a little and put on some weight naturally?? I went through the same deal with getting sick and depression and lost about 35lbs in 2 months!!!! got my shit straight and put the weight back on and more naturally. Just wondering why you decided to juice at that weight? i mean anyone else would've gotten flamed to shit for that... again, not trying to be a dick just throwing my .02 out there.
VW

since you dont know me , i'll explain it to ya bro. all others already know my story. i've lifted for over 8 years and the most i've ever weighed naturally at my best was 118lbs. a few cycles got me to 150lbs, but it's hard for me stay over 140lbs now when off... even when i lost all the weight i was still above what i could normally weigh w/out gear. i've always been very small. and like i said in first post, those pics were taken
1. right when i started getting back into the gym
2. a week or 2 since my cycle started, that size was put on before the gear even had time to really take effect, mostly just muscle memory coming back.
now is the time when i will start making my gains with the gear, starting my 5th week this week...

 

[van_wilder]

i've always been very small myself.... (weighed aroun 140 when i started working out) so i can relate... maybe you've been through this already but what's the diet look like?
VW

 

[LVTitan]

like crap. i eat whatever i want, i'm lucky that way. but i know i'm not eating enough. i just cant seem to get that much food in me. i also have a very uncooperative work schedule, i'm gone 15 hours a day, so i need to find the foods that pack the most punch because i only can get in so many meals a day...

 

[van_wilder]

again... not to be a dick... but don't you think you should try and pack on some size naturally through foods first before juicing?
i'm usually out of the house for at least 12 hrs a day, and that just means staying up late, cooking all my food and packing a BIG lunchbox.
Being a VERY hardgainer myself it has taken me years to understand how to eat to grow, and to train my body to eat that much food... if you know you're not eating enough why are you juicing?? no disrespect meant and i'll drop it now...
VW

 

[BOOEY]

Solid improvements bro, keep it up!

I would suggest making your own weight gainer shakes if you're having trouble putting on weight. I used to pound down 2-3 of them / day when I was younger and not too worried about fat gains. Simple recipe:

2 cups 2% milk
40g Whey Protein
2 Scoops ANPB
1 cup yogurt
1/2 cup oats
Fruit for flavor

Put all that shit in a blender and pound it. That's like 500 cals right there and if you add 1-2 tbsp of olive oil, you have another 100-200 cals.

 

[sandman_007]

Solid improvements bro, keep it up!

I would suggest making your own weight gainer shakes if you're having trouble putting on weight. I used to pound down 2-3 of them / day when I was younger and not too worried about fat gains. Simple recipe:

2 cups 2% milk
40g Whey Protein
2 Scoops ANPB
1 cup yogurt
1/2 cup oats
Fruit for flavor

Put all that shit in a blender and pound it. That's like 500 cals right there and if you add 1-2 tbsp of olive oil, you have another 100-200 cals.

olive oil in a protein shake? hehe, that is a new one. i don't think i'd feel too good!

but yeah, with the exception of the oil that's similar to my post workout shake. i take four scoops of protein powder, 1/2 cup orange juice, 1 cup skim milk, and a dannon fruit on the bottom yogurt thing and mix it all up and then drink........ yummy

 

[LVTitan]

interesting idea on the shakes guys, i'll try one when i get home from work (7pm) and another when i get home from the gym (9ish) , i'm gone for work by 4.30in the morning and i'm 100 miles from nowhere at work. i just started buying protein bars again to help keep my intake up..


and VW, i'm already heavier than i can maintain without gear, so i would lose weight and size if i was not juicing.

 

[BOOEY]

olive oil in a protein shake? hehe, that is a new one. i don't think i'd feel too good!

but yeah, with the exception of the oil that's similar to my post workout shake. i take four scoops of protein powder, 1/2 cup orange juice, 1 cup skim milk, and a dannon fruit on the bottom yogurt thing and mix it all up and then drink........ yummy

Well, it's more of a weight gainer shake than a protein shake. I definitely would not drink one of these post workout, but I would with almost every other meal if I was having trouble putting on some weight. The olive oil is just merely for extra cals, plus it's an EFA!

 

[LVTitan]

EFA ? what's that ?

 

[van_wilder]

EFA ? what's that ?

Essential Fatty Acids.

 

[uglyass]

Good improvemnt on the arms and the delt seems to have thickened up nicely too bro.

Pics aint so hot so cant add much more! lol

When I was younger I had trouble getting enough carbs in as I am an ectomorph (you cant tell now though ) in the end what worked for me was eating a shit load of pasta (mid day), porridge in the morning (I'm Scottish ) with protein added and adding yogurt to my shakes along with a couple of scoops of ice cream. That plus all my other meals. Kept most of the carbs coming in till about 8pm then ate clean. I soon bulked up.

Good luck, you'll get to where you want to be if you just keep trying hard and eating lots.

UglyASS

 

[LVTitan]

Essential Fatty Acids.

i take 4 grams a day of omega 3 fish oils with my vitamins.. is that enough ?

 

[LVTitan]

Good improvemnt on the arms and the delt seems to have thickened up nicely too bro.

Pics aint so hot so cant add much more! lol

When I was younger I had trouble getting enough carbs in as I am an ectomorph (you cant tell now though ) in the end what worked for me was eating a shit load of pasta (mid day), porridge in the morning (I'm Scottish ) with protein added and adding yogurt to my shakes along with a couple of scoops of ice cream. That plus all my other meals. Kept most of the carbs coming in till about 8pm then ate clean. I soon bulked up.

Good luck, you'll get to where you want to be if you just keep trying hard and eating lots.

UglyASS

i'm take some more pics this weekend so maybe you guys can get a better idea of what i need to work on. i already know the wheels need work...

 

[K13]

jucing to get to 150 lbs? lol

I guess if you were a noob with this thread, you'd get different responses to start off with.

 

[K13]

i've lifted for over 8 years and the most i've ever weighed naturally at my best was 118lbs.

not to be an ass, work on your diet before anything else.
unless maybe your a girl

 

[bicepts101]

not to be an ass, work on your diet before anything else.
unless maybe your a girl

who are u callin a girl chump?

 

[LVTitan]

who are u callin a girl chump?

hey fag, you fuck with a bean, you fuck with the whole burrito...
easy who you callin out..

post up a pic, lets see how you look, i'm sure you are heavier than me, and i'm SURE you are fat too, so lets have it.....

fat people have about as much business doin juice as "little guys", even less..

 

[bicepts101]

hey fag, you fuck with a bean, you fuck with the whole burrito...
easy who you callin out..

post up a pic, lets see how you look, i'm sure you are heavier than me, and i'm SURE you are fat too, so lets have it.....

fat people have about as much business doin juice as "little guys", even less..

he got a nice taste of my collection of bombs

 

[K13]

who are u callin a girl chump?

the dude who worked out for 8 years to get to 113 lbs

 

[K13]

hey fag, you fuck with a bean, you fuck with the whole burrito...
easy who you callin out..

post up a pic, lets see how you look, i'm sure you are heavier than me, and i'm SURE you are fat too, so lets have it.....

fat people have about as much business doin juice as "little guys", even less..

relax internet toughguy, just giving you some adivce.

don't you think you should work on your diet if you have trouble getting to 150 lbs with juice?

sounds like a bunch of hypocrites here, going by the replies.

what makes you so SURE i'm fat? cause I weigh more than you? I could post pics but I got nothing to prove to you.

anyways, good progress,

 

[silverbackn]

Glad to see you have battled back from the sickness and are back at it again, there is no better feeling. When I got sick with colitis I went from 240 to 213 in about 2 months. I was absolutely crushed. I would go to the gym and throw up a halfway through a workout, but nothing would break my will. I had never touched anabolics at that point. I worked so hard getting to 240 and it was gone just like that. I was shitting blood 20 times a day. Yes, that is absolutely diguisting, but it shows that you can bounce back. I don't know if I have ever been that depressed in my life, I truly thought I had colon cancer and was dying. I did my first show not more than 5 months after I was put on medication for it. Keep grinding bro! You will surpass where you were previously before you know it.

 

[alltraps]

good work LV

 

[K13]

I don't mean to be a dick... cuz you're a good bro, but don't you think you could have held off the juice a little and put on some weight naturally?? I went through the same deal with getting sick and depression and lost about 35lbs in 2 months!!!! got my shit straight and put the weight back on and more naturally. Just wondering why you decided to juice at that weight? i mean anyone else would've gotten flamed to shit for that... again, not trying to be a dick just throwing my .02 out there.
VW

watch it dude, you might upset the "crew"

the hypocrisy in this thread is comical, lol

 

[Little Boy]

This guy needs to gain more size before he juices.

 

[van_wilder]

watch it dude, you might upset the "crew"

the hypocrisy in this thread is comical, lol

there's no need to be a dick about it... i'm just trying to help out...

LVTitan,
i was in your same position dude... not sure how to eat to gain weight, and worse yet my work schedule made it really hard. Bottom line is that you have to pound the food back, i mean eat till your sick... then drink some water and eat more! That's the only way you'll gain gear or no gear. Try and stay away from the more processed foods, but load up on the ground beef, potatoes, pasta are good calorie dense foods (and Booey posted a shake very similar to the type i used to drink to gain) . And i know work sucks but buy some tupperware, cook enough food to last you two days and pack a cooler! I know i'm not the most knowledgeable guy on the boards but if i can help let me know.
VW

 

[K13]

there's no need to be a dick about it... i'm just trying to help out...

I was trying to help out aswell

Could have been a bigger dick

 

[uglyass]

Why be a dick at all?

UglyASS

 

[van_wilder]

I was trying to help out aswell

Could have been a bigger dick

But don't you think it would have helped him out more if you had given some constructive cristicism? i understand what you're saying overall though... but my quesiton is who's to say how big or how much development you should have before starting to juice? is there a rule that you must be over a certain weight? or have trained for a certain number of years? what's the difference really?
VW

 

[K13]

Why be a dick at all?

UglyASS

just being honest.

seriously, someone who's 130 lbs shouldent even be thinking of gear let alone using it.

just better long-term advice, that's all.

 

[bicepts101]

watch it dude, you might upset the "crew"

the hypocrisy in this thread is comical, lol

where do u see hypocrisy bro?

 

[K13]

where do u see hypocrisy bro?

cause if someone else posted the same thing, they would be flamed to hell.

 

[K13]

But don't you think it would have helped him out more if you had given some constructive cristicism? i understand what you're saying overall though... but my quesiton is who's to say how big or how much development you should have before starting to juice? is there a rule that you must be over a certain weight? or have trained for a certain number of years? what's the difference really?
VW

most of the time, the members here usually do have "rules" for threads like this.

anyways, i'll let you "noobs" contiunue with the ass kissing.

 

[silverbackn]

But don't you think it would have helped him out more if you had given some constructive cristicism? i understand what you're saying overall though... but my quesiton is who's to say how big or how much development you should have before starting to juice? is there a rule that you must be over a certain weight? or have trained for a certain number of years? what's the difference really?
VW

Don't know where to start. Obviously constructive criticism is helpful, but at the same time usually people don't listen. Yes, it does make a difference how big you are and how long you have lifted. This is my personal opinion, I think you have to EARN the right to juice. I don't know how many 19 year old kids come up to me and say what should I run. I say you should actually lift intensely and eat like a horse for 5 years, then come see me. It's these idiots who end up being in the paper for doing stupid shit and blaming juice. Yes, as a community, we have a responsibility to give sound sane advice. BTW, none of this is directed at Titan, merely my thoughts.

 

[LVTitan]

just being honest.

seriously, someone who's 130 lbs shouldent even be thinking of gear let alone using it.

just better long-term advice, that's all.

u dont know me bro. i would never have gotten to 130lbs without gear. my mom is 5 1" under a 100lbs, my dad's never been over 180 and he was a natty body builder. i dont have the genetics to be big. even off of gear,i will not be able to hold even 140lbs. i know how to work out, and i can tell you that natty at 118 lbs i was (although smaller) better built and better defined with a lower bf% than most of the guys at the gym.

 

[bicepts101]

most of the time, the members here usually do have "rules" for threads like this.

anyways, i'll let you "noobs" contiunue with the ass kissing.

post ur pics punk...you gotta a big fuckin mouth bro....put ur money where ur mouth is big guy

 

[Little Boy]

u dont know me bro. i would never have gotten to 130lbs without gear. my mom is 5 1" under a 100lbs, my dad's never been over 180 and he was a natty body builder. i dont have the genetics to be big. even off of gear,i will not be able to hold even 140lbs. i know how to work out, and i can tell you that natty at 118 lbs i was (although smaller) better built and better defined with a lower bf% than most of the guys at the gym.

You must have some medical condition then right?

You sound like the typical guy who says he can't gain size no matter what.

There are no hardgainers, only undereaters.

 

[nishnish]

if he wants to gain weight, why are we talking about triceps and abs?????

are you deadlifting? are you squatting? and not "smith machine squats" either.

if you want to put on weight, put it on the two biggest muscle groups in your body- your legs and your back.

concentrate on the core movements- barbell presses, barbell rows, DEADLIFTS AND SQUATS.

of course your diet plays a key role in the whole process; i won't discount that a bit- but tricep kickbacks are the last thing you need of you want to gain weight/size.

my 2p

 

[bicepts101]

if he wants to gain weight, why are we talking about triceps and abs?????

are you deadlifting? are you squatting? and not "smith machine squats" either.

if you want to put on weight, put it on the two biggest muscle groups in your body- your legs and your back.

concentrate on the core movements- barbell presses, barbell rows, DEADLIFTS AND SQUATS.

of course your diet plays a key role in the whole process; i won't discount that a bit- but tricep kickbacks are the last thing you need of you want to gain weight/size.

my 2p

good post and good point...core movements are key

5x5 program is what people should do while bulking..im gonna go on it this winter. 5x5 is basically a powerlifters workout routine it will get u big. i used to do it when i powerlifted in my teens

 

[K13]

u dont know me bro. i would never have gotten to 130lbs without gear. my mom is 5 1" under a 100lbs, my dad's never been over 180 and he was a natty body builder. i dont have the genetics to be big. even off of gear,i will not be able to hold even 140lbs. i know how to work out, and i can tell you that natty at 118 lbs i was (although smaller) better built and better defined with a lower bf% than most of the guys at the gym.

if you want to set "barriers" for yourself, that's cool.

but I know people with similar genetics who worked thier ass to 220 lbs + naturally at the same height.

whatever works for you, its not my body. better than sitting around and getting fat, that's for sure. :shrug:

 

[K13]

post ur pics punk...you gotta a big fuckin mouth bro....put ur money where ur mouth is big guy

with 88 posts in like 2 years, I must have a really big mouth

never said i was the biggest or bragged about anything, but I'm decent enough size for working out, on and off for 2-3 years naturally.

 

[bicepts101]

with 88 posts in like 2 years, I must have a really big mouth

never said i was the biggest or bragged about anything, but I'm decent enough size for working out, on and off for 2-3 years naturally.

on this thread u got a huge mouth bro

regarless, post pics and we'll critique YOU bro. seems far right? you told titan how u felt now lets see urs cause im just dieing to see what u look like. oh and trust me if u look good ill will be honest.but right now you're just a big ass cartoon dude riding a car

 

[Little Boy]

on this thread u got a huge mouth bro

regarless, post pics and we'll critique YOU bro. seems far right? you told titan how u felt now lets see urs cause im just dieing to see what u look like. oh and trust me if u look good ill will be honest.but right now you're just a big ass cartoon dude riding a car

k13 never said he needed or wanted to juice though, did he?

That's the whole point. I love how everyone on elitefitness demands pics, just because someone makes a VALID point that everyone else on here preaches. (about gaining size naturally first).

 

[bicepts101]

k13 never said he needed or wanted to juice though, did he?

That's the whole point. I love how everyone on elitefitness demands pics, just because someone makes a VALID point that everyone else on here preaches. (about gaining size naturally first).

i dont preach and never have....

...and thats not the point...if he can dish it he can take right?...so why not?...i never said anything about him juiceing did i?

 

[Little Boy]

i dont preach and never have....

...and thats not the point...if he can dish it he can take right?...so why not?...i never said anything about him juiceing did i?

Then why does it really matter what someone looks like if they make a valid point? I never said you preach....but generally, the rest of this site tells newbs to gain size before they take a cycle.

So k13 called the guy a newb...who cares? k13 might be a newb, he might not be. Doesn't change the fact that lvtitan could easily gain more size naturally (unless he has a medical condition).

 

[bicepts101]

Then why does it really matter what someone looks like if they make a valid point? I never said you preach....but generally, the rest of this site tells newbs to gain size before they take a cycle.

So k13 called the guy a newb...who cares? k13 might be a newb, he might not be. Doesn't change the fact that lvtitan could easily gain more size naturally (unless he has a medical condition).

i dont know if he could gain more weight naturally and i dont care.

the point is that dude insulted him by calling him a girl. theres other ways to critique someone. for example, constructively. being a dick doesnt help the matter in the least

 

[quadkilla31]

Props on the big improvements, but i just don't buy this i can't put on weight naturally. You need to eat more and after that eat somemore. Stick to the basic core momements and you'll put it on. Don't worry about tri kickbacks etc. that's not going to put mass on you. 5x5 is a great program for putting on mass. You should give it a try.

 

[van_wilder]

Props on the big improvements, but i just don't buy this i can't put on weight naturally. You need to eat more and after that eat somemore. Stick to the basic core momements and you'll put it on. Don't worry about tri kickbacks etc. that's not going to put mass on you. 5x5 is a great program for putting on mass. You should give it a try.

I agree here 100%... i'm living proof dude... started at pretty close to your weight, and i thought i couldn't gain either... but i really was undereating... it took some time but you gotta force yourself to eat. Why don't you post up your diet for us to look at.

 

[karachi183]

It's not how much you weigh but what you look like! With that being said I think people who don't think they are gaining are merely in a body transition stage meaning they are changing they're body composition. The most common thing that people think they can do is gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. while it's possible for the extremley advanced bb'er, for your average joe it's almost imposible to achieve the fat loss to muscle gain ration most wish for. So either your bulking and accepting minimal fat gains or dieting and accepting minimal muscle loss. Now when you try both at the same time this is where you may hit a plateau for a long time. This is when you should consider 1 month of bulking and low rep heavy weights / 1 month diet high rep low weights and vice versa. Pretty much just mess around and experiment.

 

[LVTitan]

You must have some medical condition then right?

You sound like the typical guy who says he can't gain size no matter what.

There are no hardgainers, only undereaters.

a medical condition called being a small motherfucker. you think a little asian kid will be over 140lbs natty ? and there are lots of hard gainers, it just means you have to seriously overeat to maintain size. some people get fat when they get lazy, i get skinny when i get lazy.

 

[LVTitan]

if he wants to gain weight, why are we talking about triceps and abs?????

are you deadlifting? are you squatting? and not "smith machine squats" either.

if you want to put on weight, put it on the two biggest muscle groups in your body- your legs and your back.

concentrate on the core movements- barbell presses, barbell rows, DEADLIFTS AND SQUATS.

of course your diet plays a key role in the whole process; i won't discount that a bit- but tricep kickbacks are the last thing you need of you want to gain weight/size.

my 2p

i cannot do deadlifts or squats due to knee injuries. i have no cartilidge (sp?) in my knee due to racing accidents etc... i have to go real easy on legs, and do the machines
i have no problem with my back, back/arms/delts overpower the rest of my physique.. if i walked around everywhere backwards it would be impressive, need to catch up on my chest. i'm not necessarily trying to put a "certain amount" of weight, i just want to work on certain areas and get them to perfection, get everything symetrical, and then add more mass from there

 

[LVTitan]

if you want to set "barriers" for yourself, that's cool.

but I know people with similar genetics who worked thier ass to 220 lbs + naturally at the same height.

whatever works for you, its not my body. better than sitting around and getting fat, that's for sure. :shrug:

you dont people built like me then. ingram is my height, but he is nothing like me. i will NEVER reach 200lbs even if i juiced for the next 3 years straight !!

 

[LVTitan]

Then why does it really matter what someone looks like if they make a valid point? I never said you preach....but generally, the rest of this site tells newbs to gain size before they take a cycle.

So k13 called the guy a newb...who cares? k13 might be a newb, he might not be. Doesn't change the fact that lvtitan could easily gain more size naturally (unless he has a medical condition).

first off, i'm not a noob, second, i'm not mad about any criticism here, only when people dont try to understand what i'm saying. my dad was a bodybuilder, he did many competitions, but he was never over 180-200lbs, i am not big, if i was asian i would look normal i guess. trust me when i say i've already weighed the most i would have w/out juice.

 

[LVTitan]

Props on the big improvements, but i just don't buy this i can't put on weight naturally. You need to eat more and after that eat somemore. Stick to the basic core momements and you'll put it on. Don't worry about tri kickbacks etc. that's not going to put mass on you. 5x5 is a great program for putting on mass. You should give it a try.

again fellas, i am not trying to put on serious mass, i would be perfectly happy weighing 150-160lbs. at my biggest i was 152lbs, and for my body size, that was enough to give me the figure i want. from there, i will just make small gains slowly and steadily.
and i never said i cant put on weight naturally, i just said i've put on as much as i can.. i force myself to eat, i am so full i want to fucking throwup when i eat again, and i have to wash my food down with mouthfulls of water cause my body just want any more food in it. (not right now, due to work, but that is how my diet was until january.)

 

[JIMguy]

first off, i'm not a noob, second, i'm not mad about any criticism here, only when people dont try to understand what i'm saying. my dad was a bodybuilder, he did many competitions, but he was never over 180-200lbs, i am not big, if i was asian i would look normal i guess. trust me when i say i've already weighed the most i would have w/out juice.

I think you're a good bro, but the problem with you saying- "Trust me I've already weighed the most I would...." is that you yourself are admitting that your diet is SHIT!! The problem others were having is that if anyone else stated this contradiction they would be flamed to hell. You work far away and eating big would be an inconveince but maybe you have to inconvenience yourself with buying some tuperware and taking a good 4 meals and a MRP to work. I was about the same weight as you for years and thought I couldnt gain an ounce, but then I learned how to eat to get big and i'm up to 180 natty. You're a hardgainer only because you're not eating enough and you're putting urself down by thinking ur genetics will never allow u to gain. Its simple really- as long as you consume more calories than you burn YOU WILL GAIN WEIGHT. Nice improvements on those arms by the way.

 

[nishnish]

again fellas, i am not trying to put on serious mass, i would be perfectly happy weighing 150-160lbs. at my biggest i was 152lbs, and for my body size, that was enough to give me the figure i want. from there, i will just make small gains slowly and steadily.
and i never said i cant put on weight naturally, i just said i've put on as much as i can.. i force myself to eat, i am so full i want to fucking throwup when i eat again, and i have to wash my food down with mouthfulls of water cause my body just want any more food in it. (not right now, due to work, but that is how my diet was until january.)

you are contradicting yourself right and left. do you want to gain weight or not?

you need to create the need for calories, then you will be hungry. dump all the ancillary exercises and get with the core movements. like i said before, deadlift, squat, barbell presses. put your body in an anabolic state and things will go from there.

 

[LVTitan]

I think you're a good bro, but the problem with you saying- "Trust me I've already weighed the most I would...." is that you yourself are admitting that your diet is SHIT!! The problem others were having is that if anyone else stated this contradiction they would be flamed to hell. You work far away and eating big would be an inconveince but maybe you have to inconvenience yourself with buying some tuperware and taking a good 4 meals and a MRP to work. I was about the same weight as you for years and thought I couldnt gain an ounce, but then I learned how to eat to get big and i'm up to 180 natty. You're a hardgainer only because you're not eating enough and you're putting urself down by thinking ur genetics will never allow u to gain. Its simple really- as long as you consume more calories than you burn YOU WILL GAIN WEIGHT. Nice improvements on those arms by the way.

thanks man, i guess i get pig headed sometimes. i know my diet is lacking now, but seems like when i did have the free time to eat a lot and workout 5-6days a week, i still only got so big. i'm going to make a conscious effort to eat more and see what happens...

 

[LVTitan]

you are contradicting yourself right and left. do you want to gain weight or not?

you need to create the need for calories, then you will be hungry. dump all the ancillary exercises and get with the core movements. like i said before, deadlift, squat, barbell presses. put your body in an anabolic state and things will go from there.

bad knees bro, wish i could do deads/squats i had my leg severed in an accident and rebuilt, so i cant hold up any weight standing, or do those movements... kinda limited with what i can do man... i am going to do more to stay busy when i have free time though, so i will be more hungry

 

[krishna]

bad knees bro, wish i could do deads/squats i had my leg severed in an accident and rebuilt, so i cant hold up any weight standing, or do those movements... kinda limited with what i can do man... i am going to do more to stay busy when i have free time though, so i will be more hungry

That sucks dude! Can you do leg press? What about back extensions. I know guys who never do squats or deadlifts and are ripped as hell. They're not very big though. Squats and deads put on some serious size.

 

[LVTitan]

That sucks dude! Can you do leg press? What about back extensions. I know guys who never do squats or deadlifts and are ripped as hell. They're not very big though. Squats and deads put on some serious size.

all my leg work is on the machines. i use the leg press and the leg curl/extension machines. my knee gives out me sometimes and if i was holding a loaded bar when that happened could really spell trouble. i cant get hurt on a machine.
back extensions ? not sure if i know what they are. i lean over that thing that you lock your ankles against and i hold weights out and pull up using my lower back if thats what you mean ... never have a problem with : back/lats/delts/traps/arms.. just have a hard time with my chest and legs, and for some reason i dont get killer abs even though i'm super lean and cut.

 

[bicepts101]

i think hes taking about hyper extententions for your back

 

[JIMguy]

thanks man, i guess i get pig headed sometimes. i know my diet is lacking now, but seems like when i did have the free time to eat a lot and workout 5-6days a week, i still only got so big. i'm going to make a conscious effort to eat more and see what happens...

Best of luck bro.......

 

[nishnish]

bad knees bro, wish i could do deads/squats i had my leg severed in an accident and rebuilt, so i cant hold up any weight standing, or do those movements... kinda limited with what i can do man... i am going to do more to stay busy when i have free time though, so i will be more hungry

understood. best of luck bro