Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Check this out ---I am wondering about waiting untill I can get more gear,--------or screw it ,and do what I have -----(which whould be a short cycle) 6 weeks------Deca200 per week--Test200mg per week ----Anadrol 50 per day-------Nolva everyday-----week7--start clomid. ------I have had large cycles and I know this is not one ,but ----Is it even worth messing with . I dont even think it will shut system down completly---------What do you think????????????
small -short cycle-(is it worth it?)
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SofaGeorge
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One "Juice Doctor to the Stars" out of Malibu used to work exclusively with short low dose cycles (i.e., 6 weeks only.) He never went shorter than 6; however, he wrote many articles on the virtue of 6 weeks cycles over 8 week, 10 week, 12 week... which was the standard max back then. (No one had heard of staying on year round... so 12 weeks was considered a longy.) His articles came out mostly in the mid-to-late 80s and he was one of the few doctors who was writing juice articles for magazines at that time. His belief was that 6 week cycles were optimum... and you had more permanent gains on cumulative short cycles. He would have his patients cycle 6 weeks on... 2 months off.
I followed his cycle guidlines a couple times with very satisfactory results. My wife followed his 6 week cycle program exclusively with excellent results on all of her cycles.
I followed his cycle guidlines a couple times with very satisfactory results. My wife followed his 6 week cycle program exclusively with excellent results on all of her cycles.
SofaGeorge
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Foot note:
All of his cycles were low dose. 200 mg deca was the max. 200 mg test was the max. He talked often about 200deca wk/20mg anavar ED being the optimum safe cycle... and 200mg deca wk/200mg test being the optimum strong cycle. His d-bol cycle was 200mg deca wk/15 mg d-bol ED.
All of his cycles were low dose. 200 mg deca was the max. 200 mg test was the max. He talked often about 200deca wk/20mg anavar ED being the optimum safe cycle... and 200mg deca wk/200mg test being the optimum strong cycle. His d-bol cycle was 200mg deca wk/15 mg d-bol ED.
Willyumyum
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a six week cycle might be good, but not 6 weeks of all those drugs that you have listed, and certainly don't start clomid week 7 after running deca for 6 weeks...
I'd wait...
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I'd wait...
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SofaGeorge
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BigAndy69 said:
I disagree. I did his deca six week cycle. I saw results within two weeks.
Deca DOES work for short cycles.
SofaGeorge
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Willyumyum said:
bump this. Agree. Clomid should be started 3 weeks after last shot.
SofaGeorge
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BigAndy69 said:
Agreed. Which is probably why people saw good results on short cycles. The concept is you are only taking your shots for 6 weeks... but since sustanon keeps working for a months... a "short" cycle of 6 weeks on sustanon and deca is actually 10 weeks of active drug.
THeMaCHinE
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From what I understand, from research and self-experience, is that while nandrolone esters can be detected for up to 18 mos, the active life of deconate in the system is about 3 weeks.
I've used deca to kick-start a short oral cycle (7 weeks) by shooting 400 mgs the first 2 weeks. (it was left over from a previous cycle)
I've also used deca for short cycles of 6 weeks (in conjunction with cyp); it basically tapers you off gradually over the 3 weeks after the cycle. (which technically makes it a 9 week cycle instead of a 6)
I think it can be used for long or short cycles. If you want to inject nandrolone every week on a short cycle the phenpropionate version is probably ideal.
I've used deca to kick-start a short oral cycle (7 weeks) by shooting 400 mgs the first 2 weeks. (it was left over from a previous cycle)
I've also used deca for short cycles of 6 weeks (in conjunction with cyp); it basically tapers you off gradually over the 3 weeks after the cycle. (which technically makes it a 9 week cycle instead of a 6)
I think it can be used for long or short cycles. If you want to inject nandrolone every week on a short cycle the phenpropionate version is probably ideal.
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Thanks --a million ---George-----------I have done these doses before ,but for like 4 months at a time or even 6 months and then 2 or 3 off---But anyway-----------------------I all ready have this in hand ---- I think it will be a good little stack--and I dont think it wll shut me down all the way --do you? It will make for easy rebound.
Thanks --a million ---George-----------I have done these doses before ,but for like 4 months at a time or even 6 months and then 2 or 3 off---But anyway-----------------------I all ready have this in hand ---- I think it will be a good little stack--and I dont think it wll shut me down all the way --do you? It will make for easy rebound.
THeMaCHinE
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Re: Machine?
How much (mg) of each product do you have on hand? What is your height/weight/bf%? What are you looking for out of this cycle?
Shae said:
How much (mg) of each product do you have on hand? What is your height/weight/bf%? What are you looking for out of this cycle?
THeMaCHinE
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what ester is your test?
about 6 weeks
I have enough at the doses I gave ---for only 6 weeks----but I have been clean for one year and will not be able to go on a long cycle for about 4 months----because of cash --------anyway I was hoping this whould tide me over---------and give me something to work with------------I am 5'9" at 175 lbs----about10% to 12%bf----29yr old ----------thanks for the help.
I have enough at the doses I gave ---for only 6 weeks----but I have been clean for one year and will not be able to go on a long cycle for about 4 months----because of cash --------anyway I was hoping this whould tide me over---------and give me something to work with------------I am 5'9" at 175 lbs----about10% to 12%bf----29yr old ----------thanks for the help.
THeMaCHinE
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If it were me, and I didn't want to wait, I'd probably:
Deca 400 mgs/wk for wk 1-3
Cyp 400 mgs/ wk for wk 1-3
inject 2x/wk (200mgs ea x 2)
(both cyp and deca will self-taper by end of wk 6)
A-bombs 1x/day for wk 1-6 (be willing to drop these or cut back if you are sensitive to progesterone-induced gyno). For me, A-bombs are the wild card in this cycle as I'm not as used to them as the other drugs. I would think that you would want to be cautious when using them in conjunction with deca, that's why I wouldn't increase the dose past 50 mgs/day -- and maybe even use less, like 25 mgs/day/... As an afterthought, it may be worth it to start higher in the first week (100 mgs/day) on the Abombs and taper down to 1 or less/day in weeks 2 and on as this will provide a kick-start and will creep in before the deca really takes hold...
Nolva, don't use unless you start to develop gyno -- even then, it may be progesterone-induced (in which case it won't help), it will help if it's estrogen induced.
Start clomid 3 wks after last deca/test injection. Look for Iron Game's post on clomid schedule.
Oh, and yes, I do believe that this will shut down the system.
With solid diet, training and sleeping, you should be able to make some nice gains.
Deca 400 mgs/wk for wk 1-3
Cyp 400 mgs/ wk for wk 1-3
inject 2x/wk (200mgs ea x 2)
(both cyp and deca will self-taper by end of wk 6)
A-bombs 1x/day for wk 1-6 (be willing to drop these or cut back if you are sensitive to progesterone-induced gyno). For me, A-bombs are the wild card in this cycle as I'm not as used to them as the other drugs. I would think that you would want to be cautious when using them in conjunction with deca, that's why I wouldn't increase the dose past 50 mgs/day -- and maybe even use less, like 25 mgs/day/... As an afterthought, it may be worth it to start higher in the first week (100 mgs/day) on the Abombs and taper down to 1 or less/day in weeks 2 and on as this will provide a kick-start and will creep in before the deca really takes hold...
Nolva, don't use unless you start to develop gyno -- even then, it may be progesterone-induced (in which case it won't help), it will help if it's estrogen induced.
Start clomid 3 wks after last deca/test injection. Look for Iron Game's post on clomid schedule.
Oh, and yes, I do believe that this will shut down the system.
With solid diet, training and sleeping, you should be able to make some nice gains.
THeMaCHinE
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Re: Shorter cycles?
I did a 2-week cycle of primo @ 400 mgs over 2 injections per wk w/ 40 mgs of russian dbol/day and kept 9 lbs. out of 10 lbs. gained (peak) 4 weeks afterwards.
You don't feel as jacked on short cycles though.
Bockemboy said:
I did a 2-week cycle of primo @ 400 mgs over 2 injections per wk w/ 40 mgs of russian dbol/day and kept 9 lbs. out of 10 lbs. gained (peak) 4 weeks afterwards.
You don't feel as jacked on short cycles though.
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