Skeptics beware! You got a soul!

[SSAlexSS]

Some people don't beleive in souls and such. But it seems that science DOES support the existence of out-of-body intelligence.


1st) Law of thermo dynamics. You cannot create/destroy matter, only change it.

Question: What happens when you die? Your body decomposes into worm food and your bones remain until they too, crumble into dust, eventually to scatter all over the earth like ash.
So good so far. What about your intellect, your knowledge, your personality, YOU. Into what form does it go into or convert? Remember, it cannot just disappear.

2)English and other languages support the idea of a soul.
You say My book, my car, my house. What does it mean? It means that that that belongs to YOU, it is not you, it merely belongs to you.

My Finger = finger that belongs to me. My body = My body that belongs to me. Notice it is not ME, it is merely what I own, a body.

3)If all your intellect is located ONLY in the braincells and not in your soul then, why do twins behave in a different way? They got exactly the same genes, same structure, same brain, same braincells?

We can deduct one thing, which is, that there is something other than the body that does the thinking.


3rd)Various out of body expereinces, various studies that show that the mass of the body diminished immeadetely when a person dies. What happens? What leaves the body?


and 4rth) Dark matter. Our galaxy is mostly made of it, not our current universe matter we live in. Perhaps there are other, even bigger worlds out there?


please reply! Thanks!

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Nice!And I do agree.Based on what you have stated here(which I have seen documented as well)as well as my experiences within the spirit realm,I do believe that the energy that composes our thought/intelligence/personality survives exportation of its physical shell.I think our bodies are merely a temporary carrier vehicle for our true energy source,and I believe that energy source once released is capable of existance both in a completely different dimensional plane,as well as this earthbound plane.I believe there is no true 'death',only a transition to a different level of conciousness/being.I also believe that this transition can occur on lower frequency levels(which may be responsible for earth bound spirits,i.e. ghosts,etc.) as well as higher frequency levels,which is more of the ideal spiritual plane(i.e.those who have OBE's that report being met with light and loved ones that have crossed).

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

What a load of Horse shit.

 

[jeremys]

interesting. how old are you?

 

[2Thick]

What a load of Horse shit.

 

[SSAlexSS]

interesting. how old are you?

who? me? 19

 

[SSAlexSS]

What a load of Horse shit.

It is. Because you DRINK!

 

[Tiervexx]

i'm sorry alex but we are all dumber after reading that...



MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH DUMBER!

 

[KnoXville]

1st) Law of thermo dynamics. You cannot create/destroy matter, only change it.

Question: What happens when you die? Your body decomposes into worm food and your bones remain until they too, crumble into dust, eventually to scatter all over the earth like ash.
So good so far. What about your intellect, your knowledge, your personality, YOU. Into what form does it go into or convert? Remember, it cannot just disappear.

When you die the matter is just transfered into the bacterial organisms eating you, decay, the groud .. take your choice. There is no transfer regarding intellect/know/pers (stored info) - that was just electric energy stored in the matter of your brain thanks to lots and lots of interneurons. Thats why if you get brain damage, this stored information is lost. When you die, you literally pull the plug - the electric energy gets transfered to the ground, air or whatever organsim is eating you - and the matter is decomposed.

Also if you suscribe to this theory of souls than you must also believe in metamorphasis. Or else these souls your talking about are just gathering at some linuer pace, in x location. If they are not being re-used than they are being created somewhere, for example at birth. What are they being created from? you said it yourself that enegy cannot be created or destroyed.

But wait, if they are being re-used then how do you explain population increases? That means new souls must be created - because there are x million more people on earth present v.s. 100 years ago.

2)English and other languages support the idea of a soul.
You say My book, my car, my house. What does it mean? It means that that that belongs to YOU, it is not you, it merely belongs to you.

My Finger = finger that belongs to me. My body = My body that belongs to me. Notice it is not ME, it is merely what I own, a body.

Observation not fact. Thats just rudimentary language comprehension based on english possesives. What if some other nation in earths history was the ruling body and spoke a dialog with out possesives? Nothing would change. There are languages existing such as this.

3)If all your intellect is located ONLY in the braincells and not in your soul then, why do twins behave in a different way? They got exactly the same genes, same structure, same brain, same braincells?

We can deduct one thing, which is, that there is something other than the body that does the thinking.

Behavorial adaptaions, learned information and the fact that they do not learn it at the same time. Involves a exponential amount variables. They could have the same genetic blueprint - and if you could concievably expose them to the same identical enviroment (from birth) they would actually behave in the same way. Every variable that they experince independently of each other changes how there brain interprets that information.

3rd)Various out of body expereinces, various studies that show that the mass of the body diminished immeadetely when a person dies. What happens? What leaves the body?


and 4rth) Dark matter. Our galaxy is mostly made of it, not our current universe matter we live in. Perhaps there are other, even bigger worlds out there?


please reply! Thanks!

3) The first reason would be rapid cell death. Without oxygen and other vital elements most cells will catabolize within minutes. How about fluids, water for instance - the majority of your body weight is from holding it, that takes enegy. When you die, no more energy = no more water retention. Depending on how you died consider urine or fecal expulsion.

4) Explain the dark matter concept some more and I will also have some cosmotological reasonology to present for you.

 

[scruples]

damn, knoxville's on it!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Skeptics beware! You got a soul!

Also if you suscribe to this theory of souls than you must also believe in metamorphasis. Or else these souls your talking about are just gathering at some linuer pace, in x location. If they are not being re-used than they are being created somewhere, for example at birth. What are they being created from? you said it yourself that enegy cannot be created or destroyed.

But wait, if they are being re-used then how do you explain population increases? That means new souls must be created - because there are x million more people on earth present v.s. 100 years ago.

Reincarnation. Notice that after major wars (death) we have a huge boom in a population.

Also there isnt just earth, there are other planets and beings out there. We dont know what is going on there so there goes your reusability issue.


About dark matter. Scientist say that there is something hidden that exists in our universe that we cant see.
what 80% of the universe is in dark matter. What is it?



About OBE. What about the people could accurately describe what was going on in another room while they were in a coma and being operated om? Surely that ain't no hallucination.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Knoxville-How do you know that with brain damage that memory is actually LOST?What if that memory is merely suppressed into an unreleasable state until the ENTIRE energy mass that composes intellect is released from its damaged vehicle?
As far as population INCREASES,who's to say there were't already a set amount(possibly trillions)of energies possessing individuality/personality existing in a different dimension,and perhaps they are not all released into our
dimension/reality simultaniously.Perhaps there is a pecking order as to what energy is chosen/ready to ignite the spark of physical being.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Knoxville-How do you know that with brain damage that memory is actually LOST?What if that memory is merely suppressed into an unreleasable state until the ENTIRE energy mass that composes intellect is released from its damaged vehicle?
As far as population INCREASES,who's to say there were't already a set amount(possibly trillions)of energies possessing individuality/personality existing in a different dimension,and perhaps they are not all released into our
dimension/reality simultaniously.Perhaps there is a pecking order as to what energy is chosen/ready to ignite the spark of physical being.

Your brain is like a reciever from your soul(transmitter). If your brain (receiver) is damaged, you cannot receive the message clearly. Hence, brain damage.

 

[KnoXville]

Re: Re: Re: Skeptics beware! You got a soul!

Reincarnation. Notice that after major wars (death) we have a huge boom in a population.

That is simply due to the current disruption in regular socio-functioning that participating countries in the war each go through. I hope you can understand how having a couple million people (all of a biased sex .. i.e. 90% men) leaving there home location with the possibility of dying may disrupt the normal sexual fitness for most partners. Post war, stress is gone, people are happy, together, stressful people have more natural abortions - happy people engage in more frequent sexual encounters, - hence more births.

Also there isnt just earth, there are other planets and beings out there. We dont know what is going on there so there goes your reusability issue.

There was no reusability issue as unfortunately I can’t account for the breeding habits of other species light years away. Put humans in the same pool as and other life in the galaxy and I will happily apply the same principle for you.

About dark matter. Scientist say that there is something hidden that exists in our universe that we cant see.
what 80% of the universe is in dark matter. What is it?

About OBE. What about the people could accurately describe what was going on in another room while they were in a coma and being operated om? Surely that ain't no hallucination.

Not enough info on dark matter to make a educated explanation right now, same with things like quantum physics. I don’t want to get too theoretical or else we are going to get nowhere.

. What about the people could accurately describe what was going on in another room while they were in a coma and being operated om? Surely that ain't no hallucination.

No its either extra sensory perception due to heavy subliminal input - or blind luck which is only recognized when it is correct. Or a combination of. When other senses are deadened by general anaesthesia, your subconscious is still active and picking up audile and olfactory cues from the environment around you. Your forebrain, once awake, puts this gathered information into a computable scenario that makes some sense and there you have it.

Knoxville-How do you know that with brain damage that memory is actually LOST?

As far as population INCREASES,who's to say there were't already a set amount(possibly trillions)of energies possessing individuality/personality existing in a different dimension,and perhaps they are not all released into our
dimension/reality simultaniously.Perhaps there is a pecking order as to what energy is chosen/ready to ignite the spark of physical being.

If brain damage is severe enough and the host matter for that section of electrical information is ruptured than there has never been a case of recovered memories or function from that area. There can obviously be fragments but no interneurons to connect them = dead weight or useless mass.

What if that memory is merely suppressed into an unreleasable state until the ENTIRE energy mass that composes intellect is released from its damaged vehicle?

It is released ( the energy), during the presence death where it is distributed in the fashion that I mentioned. If you could put a human corpse at the moments of death into some device that would collect all matter or potential energy from solid mass (tissues etc) and (electrical matter) - you could collect the same amount before as after death. You would end up with x volts of energy and x lbs. of mass all accounted for.

***As for the last part I would answer but once again we would be going from the initial explanation i gave to something extremely hypothetical that I cant backup due to the lack of technology / knowledge currently collected in that area. That part of my little thesis seems to have the most surrounding qualms – so you guys just temporarily disregard it. It was obviously just some spur of the moment theory I threw in, while the rest were more factual based – ive noticed there seems to be much less retort.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Right,there has never been recaptured memory in quote-un-quote 'living' subjects dealing with a damaged mainframe and ability to recieve/transmit proper signalling,but this may have no bearing on what is recalled upon expiration.

You said that the energy is ELECTRICAL and simply released into the ground upon physical death.What if that energy is not entirely electric in nature?Let's go with your theory and say that it is-What's to say sticking with alex's original theme that it is not CHANGED once it reacts with the environment outside of its non-bound biological container?

 

[KnoXville]

Right,there has never been recaptured memory in quote-un-quote 'living' subjects dealing with a damaged mainframe and ability to recieve/transmit proper signalling,but this may have no bearing on what is ***recalled*** upon expiration.

What would recall it? Post-experational energy conrehension obviously can not be gauged - because there is nothing that can interpret it. The brain tissue (interpreter) is decomposed and destroyed.

You said that the energy is ELECTRICAL and simply released into the ground upon physical death.What if that energy is not entirely electric in nature?Let's go with your theory and say that it is-What's to say sticking with alex's original theme that it is not CHANGED once it reacts with the environment outside of its non-bound biological container?

What if that energy is not entirely electric in nature?

I stated that in the brain the energy is electrical in nature . Whatever other medium it gets expressed or transmitted into post-death (kinetic, nuclear, thermal) is up to a mutiplicity of other factors at that time.

Let's go with your theory and say that it is-What's to say that it isn't CHANGED once it reacts with the environment outside of its non-bound biological container?

My last answer may change you question. What energy it changes into (from electric) after death, doesn't matter because that energy contains no hereditary information, its just another form of universal useable energy.

 

[MP5]

I would like to think there is life after death, but i don't buy it. I have never met a person that was credible that has a real experience that could be concluded as a ghostly encounter. My uncle died twice from major heart attacks and he said he did not see anything, nothing happened, he was just dead. And why are some people stupid? I suppose the souls themselves are just stupid?

And do animals have souls? I suppose a dog does, but a mosquito does not? Does a worm have a soul? We are all life forms so answer me that. how about a virus, does it have a soul? Just because humans are the most adaptable species does not make us divine compared to other life forms, we are all just organisms.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

What would recall it? Post-experational energy conrehension obviously can not be gauged - because there is nothing that can interpret it. The brain tissue (interpreter) is decomposed and destroyed.

That's correct,it cannot be guaged,nor disproven.I do not think science(nor you or I)truly can claim an absolute to something they/we have never experienced(or at least have no recollection of-at this stage at least).That is why I address my statements with openness.

I stated that in the brain the energy is electrical in nature . Whatever other medium it gets expressed or transmitted into post-death (kinetic, nuclear, thermal) is up to a mutiplicity of other factors at that time.

Right,and with that being said,it is therefore concievable that it doesn't just necessarily 'transfer into the ground'.It may be able to enter a dimensional plane that we have no concept of,or one that is beyond our current fathomable,explainational reality.

My last answer may change you question. What energy it changes into (from electric) after death, doesn't matter because that energy contains no hereditary information, its just another form of universal useable energy.

This is where you and I will have to agree to disagree.

 

[KnoXville]

That's correct,it cannot be guaged,nor disproven.I do not think science(nor you or I)truly can claim an absolute to something they/we have never experienced(or at least have no recollection of-at this stage at least).That is why I address my statements with openness..

The level of energy in numbers can be gauged, but what it was (previously as part of the brain) can not, obviously as the material brain was the site for information storage and free energy is just that. I address my scientific statements with a much more narrow scope than the theoretical material, which i will be more objective with.


Right,and with that being said,it is therefore concievable that it doesn't just necessarily 'transfer into the ground'.It may be able to enter a dimensional plane that we have no concept of,or one that is beyond our current fathomable,explainational reality..

I had stated other examples "the electric energy gets transfered to the ground, air or whatever organsim is eating you " there are also many more things that conduct electricity or can transform it into another type. There are possibly some unkowns such as alternate planes but since we can accout for ALL the energy that leaves a body after death, then what is left to transfer to this plane?

This is where you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Agreed. Realize though that once the energy left the body it would scatter and disperse. Never to join up again.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Realize though that once the energy left the body left the body it would scatter and disperse.Never to join up again

Right,if we are sticking to what little we actually know,or think that we do.I do believe that as much of what science understands,it still has so much that it cannot begin to concieve at this stage due to narrow,'in the box' reasoning.A few hundred years ago,the world's smartest people believed the planet was flat,and all lived their lives according to this brilliant revelation for ages,until someone(before he could PROVE what at the time was inconcievable)had the ability to challenge what the world thought it 'knew'and disprove them.And this was done within our own dimensional,concievable plane,not in something beyond this reality.I do not believe we are nearly as advanced as we think.When you say'realize',you must understand that your realization and my own have arrived at their opposite poles from the stimuli we've taken in up to this point in our physical existance.You have not experienced what I have,nor I you,so my realizations will likely not coincide with yours.But I respect your POV nonetheless and thank you for sharing an intellectual discussion.

 

[KnoXville]

When you say'realize',you must understand that your realization and my own have arrived at their opposite poles from the stimuli we've taken in up to this point in our physical existance.You have not experienced what I have,nor I you,so my realizations will likely not coincide with yours.

I couldn't agree more Huck. Although our conclusions are very different, as far as how we got there I hold the exact same regards that you do. Thanks for intellectually volleying my outlook for the last hour.