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yatesolympia
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wls8687 said:
It doesnt matter how much you take your body shuts down because it no longer needs to produce test. As ive said in other posts you can try taking tribulus terretris to stimulate your LH and attempt to keep your testes from shutting down completley. Bill Phillips wrote an interesting article on using Tribulus during a cycle and its ability to keep your testes from shutting down. I always have taken it post cycle with clomid to recover faster and hold more of what i gain on cycle, anyways its somthing to think about and experiment with.
Anything more than about 200mg/week of exogenous test is enough to drive your endogenous testosterone production to zero. It takes only 3-4 weeks for that to happen. The longer you remain in that state, the more the testes will atrophy (even if they don't noticeably shrink) and the longer recovery will take.
Tribulus or HCG can be used to prevent this.
Tribulus or HCG can be used to prevent this.
help4john
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That amount will cut your body's natural production....but it doesn't mean you are "shutdown" sexually. I've used 600mg+ Test EW along with other gear and have not noticed a reduced libido or drive. Actually, with me it's the exact opposite. Drive is through the roof....constantly regardless of the Test dose. This response is individual as I have read posts from others claiming to have been totally shutdown from 250mg EW. The only way to determine how your body will react is to try it. You'll know when and if you get "shutdown". Good luck!wls8687 said:
sprinter86
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help4john said:
Correct...but it is the test that is giving you the drive and not your own production. Your body is going to regulate the bodies testosterone depending on your makeup. If your body is naturally producing the equivalent of 50mg of test, then if you use any higher, it will shutdown the natural supply to try and regulate it lower. 250mg is way more than naturally produced.
help4john said:
To me shutdown means that your body is producing no endogenous testosterone. This does not mean you will suffer a loss of libido; especially if you're taking exogenous testosterone.
Exogenous test always increases my sex drive but libido is more complicated than just testosterone levels. For instance, if you take enough arimidex to shut down your estrogen production you're very likely to lose your sex drive as well.
blut wump
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There does seem to be some confusion here about the difference betweem shutdown as in sexually disfunctional and shutdown as in your body has stopped making its own test.
Your body will stop making test if it is getting an adequate exogenous source after about 3 weeks. I read of suggestions that use of low doses of short half-life orals early in the day will leave your body with some natural test production later in the day or overnight but I've not seen any clinical trials.
When I did an oral ph cycle, I did find that I felt better in myself if I took the last dose of the day earlier in the evening than later.
Your body will stop making test if it is getting an adequate exogenous source after about 3 weeks. I read of suggestions that use of low doses of short half-life orals early in the day will leave your body with some natural test production later in the day or overnight but I've not seen any clinical trials.
When I did an oral ph cycle, I did find that I felt better in myself if I took the last dose of the day earlier in the evening than later.
Goldprospector
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The average 20 something year old male produces around 80mg or less of test per week...anything over and above "possibly 200mg" will eventually shut you down, although I think the excact amount would depend entirely on ones own body chemistry and age.
I did a cycle of 20 weeks at 200 mg of test E (and nothing else) I can garuntee it will shut you down.
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Goldprospector said:
That 80mg/week of endogenous test that a 20-year-old is producing is controlled by the negative feedback loop. At that level things are in balance; that is to say the inhibitory effect of the sex horomones on the hypothalamus is restricting the production of gonadotropin releasing hormone which stimulates the pituitary to produce luteinizing hormone which causes the testes to produce testosterone. If testosterone production increases for any reason, the hypothalamus will produce less gonadotropin releasing hormone which will ultimately reduce testosterone production back to its normal level.
So taking 80mg/week of exogenous testosterone would not shut down your endogenous production completely. But it would lower it considerably.
Somewhere around 200mg/week of exogenous test is where complete inhibition takes place.
Goldprospector
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I guess I stated that wrong...and my apologies. I was not trying to say that you were wrong and My Bad for the implication. I agree with what you are saying and my post was mis-stated....And I will edit it!
Your post is highly informational, and mine was meant to simply state how much is produced , and how my personal experience has shut me down.
Mythicalbeing
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I believe the right answer is it depends on age...and exisiting free testosterone levels.
It's not the same for every person. But if HRT for a man my age is 175mg...200mg for an extended time will shut me down...as would 180mg.
It's not the same for every person. But if HRT for a man my age is 175mg...200mg for an extended time will shut me down...as would 180mg.
