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short cycle routine advice?

derailed

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Im about to start a short cycle (3 weeker) with some pron and tren. One thing that Ive picked up from doing short cycles is that everything has to be planned out and you cant goof off and miss a day and you for sure cant party and get drunk. Anyway, Im planning my work out routine and I want to do Radar's routine for 3 weeks

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450224&page=2&pp=20

or should I stick to what Im doing now

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=33&pageID=400

Given the short amount of time Im ON, I want to push myself to the max especially. Btw for the 4 week routine from avantlabs, I would start at week 2.
 
derailed said:
Im about to start a short cycle (3 weeker) with some pron and tren. One thing that Ive picked up from doing short cycles is that everything has to be planned out and you cant goof off and miss a day and you for sure cant party and get drunk. Anyway, Im planning my work out routine and I want to do Radar's routine for 3 weeks

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450224&page=2&pp=20

or should I stick to what Im doing now

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=33&pageID=400

Given the short amount of time Im ON, I want to push myself to the max especially. Btw for the 4 week routine from avantlabs, I would start at week 2.

why a 3 week cycle? I just want to know the reason you have behind it. I've never been a fan of 2-3 week cycles, as I don't see them as too effective. In addition, you might want to search for an article by Bill Roberts; he did an experiment on short-cycles and found 2 weeks to be the optimal time.
 
Mr.X said:
why a 3 week cycle? I just want to know the reason you have behind it. I've never been a fan of 2-3 week cycles, as I don't see them as too effective. In addition, you might want to search for an article by Bill Roberts; he did an experiment on short-cycles and found 2 weeks to be the optimal time.
exactly what i was thinking... i remember a whole lot of debate on these forums a while back... a certain bro who went by the name nelson montana was usually at the center of it all.
 
silver_shadow said:
exactly what i was thinking... i remember a whole lot of debate on these forums a while back... a certain bro who went by the name nelson montana was usually at the center of it all.

LOL!
 
I read those articles. They are pretty informative. I can give you a many reasons why I like to keep them short. One reason is that its hard for me to take 8 weeks off or more just to focus on my hobby. I dont have a 9-5 job and medical school is pretty hectic sometimes. I can plan out and devote 110% of my effort on a short cycle and I feel I will gain more from a well done shorter cycle vs a regular cycle where the end will get sloppy. Physio reasons, the biggest is the increase in LDL and decrease in HDL. Autopsies on 12 year olds (died from a car accident or something unrelated to cardiovascular disease) showed that pathophysiological artheroscloric plaques are already present and that its a matter of time before arteries get clogged. Having no HDL in your blood for even 2 or 3 weeks greatly accelerates those pathogical mechanisms. Another reason why I want to keep them short is something about recepotor sensitivity. I can ramble all day but Im already off topic.

I guess Ill be doing Radar's routine when Im on. Ill prob be starting it in the beg. of Feb. I still dont know the exact details of the cycle but I need to plug and play with some numbers and doses and take in consideration how much gear I have. Maybe Ill do 2 weeks or if I do it with some Omnas, Ill have to make it 3. I encourage discussion and questioning. Ill keep everyone posted. Thanks for the support and Mr. X, you rock.

Before I forget, someone asked about PCT. I just eat some clomid. Last time, about a week after last inj. I became very emotional but it lasted only about 2 days. I have to note that the girl that I was seeing dicked me over around the same time. I took the clomid for about 10 days 2 days after the last prop shot and I felt normal at about 2 weeks. I dont know what the half life for prop is, some say 2, some say 4.5. If its closer to 4 days, I shouldve started eating the clomid about a week after the last prop shot when blood levels dropped below inhibitory. On a good note I also think I overshot with my natural test and that lasted for about 2 weeks. Id have to do blood tests to verify my thoughts.
 
derailed said:
I guess Ill be doing Radar's routine when Im on. Ill prob be starting it in the beg. of Feb. I still dont know the exact details of the cycle but I need to plug and play with some numbers and doses and take in consideration how much gear I have. Maybe Ill do 2 weeks or if I do it with some Omnas, Ill have to make it 3. I encourage discussion and questioning. Ill keep everyone posted. Thanks for the support and Mr. X, you rock.

I suggest you get short acting compound such as Tren acetate, Test prop and dbol, if you're going to do a short cycle. Keep it to 2 weeks and get your PCT in line.
 
Im still trying to figure out what the sweet spot of a short cycle PCT is. Any advice on this? Honetly, I think the standard 3 week clomid application is way overkill for a short cycle. About the Omnas, if you treat them like test e than you are right, 3 weeks in not enough. If you treat them like test prop, then I think theyll be really effective. If no one here believes me, heres a link to a roid calculator http://www.steroidsource.net/calculator.htm and compare how stable blood levels are for 500mg frontload and 250mg eod omnas for a week vs 500mg once weekly for 8 weeks vs 250mg twice a week for 8 weeks. Also compare how fast peak blood levels are attained with both variations. Peasking Eod looks like within the first 2 days while the 500 once weekly it peaks between week 2 and 3 and; 250x2 weekly it peaks in between week 3 and 4. I try to post my statements backed by research and Ill explain my reasoning and logic in everything I post just ask. I just hope I dont make any enemies because I like to think outside the box a little too much. What works in theory always doesnt work in real life, I wont know that until I experiment. But for now, Ill have to take your words.
 
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