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Longhorn85

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I'm talking about fellow elite member Hans from NZ. He has displayed a great deal of hypocrisy and intolerance on many threads. How?

- He insists that homosexuality is normal simply because it occurs in nature, and expects me to accept studies written by other homosexuals no doubt looking to justify behavior that are opinionated theories at best. At the same time he dismisses my references such as conservative articles and the Bible as my own assertions and rants. He hypocritically quotes the name of God when frustrated though he rejects the Bible.

- Fancies himself as an intellectual and continuosly insults me by saying that not just my arguments but my logic and basis are screwed up and wouldn't stand the test of scrutiny in a University. As if he were some kind of authority whose opinion is to be valued. I guess all of my professors saw things differently than he when they graduated me.

- Always reminds me of how things are so great in New Zealand and criticizes policies and culture in the US. Coming from a country with no significant defense, economic or social contribution on the global scale, I wouldn't be so quick to talk if I were him.

- Finally, in a fit of immaturity, he puts me on ignore saying my arguments are ridiculous. Well Hans, I have always argued points with you, yet treated you with respect. I see this is how you treat those who don't see eye to eye with you. You should avoid such close mindedness, you will learn more about others.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158048&perpage=20&pagenumber=9
 
Um, just wondering... (and I am indeed JUST wondering) Do you consider the bible as being a credible source... And.. it was a heresy to call upon god because you don't believe in the bible?
 
Blue Sky said:
Um, just wondering... (and I am indeed JUST wondering) Do you consider the bible as being a credible source... And.. it was a heresy to call upon god because you don't believe in the bible?
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I never suggested heretical, but hypocritical. Even most historians would agree that the Bible is a credible source.
 
credible source for historical events...?

and on a slightly more personal note you make it sound like hypocrisy is bad...? (it just might be how I read your posts...)
 
if you beleive that water was turned into wine and walking on water then it's a credible source.
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Oh... I was thinking more in lines w/ historical disasters and kings of those times and such... I didn't think historians amuse themselves with those kinds of things...
 
Historians dont considered the bible a reliable source but it is true that certain events such as wars or cultural movements noted in the bible have been theorized to actually have taken place. (note the wording here< theorized, might have, ect) Because the bible notes events such as a war that in fact may have happened doesnt give any credence to its wilder proclamations such as any miracles or direct actions of god. But, the bible is completely unreliable because of its cultural bias and limited grasp of science.
 
Your correct Historians are different and even if I didnt say most historians that was my intention. Its easy to argue symantic, thats only a way of diverting the possible truth in what is said and the possible untruths as well. Its a diversion. There is no history but histories and that also lends credance to my opinions about a culutral slant to the bible making it biased and therefore not the most reliable source. If we read only hindu accounts of the world than our perspective and opinions would be greatly influenced by their teachings. The meaning was implied by the text and the meaning is that even though certain events in history MAY coincide with bibilical accounts does not prove the existance of god or the validity of the biblical miracles or that the moral opinions stated should be viewed as truth.
 
IronMan271 said:
There is no history but histories and that also lends credance to my opinions about a culutral slant to the bible making it biased and therefore not the most reliable source. .
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Yes, many historians, if not most, have an agenda. Some are revisionists. Most are liberal.

I never said the Bible was the most reliable source (although I do believe that), I said it was a credible source.
 
ttlpkg, and you dont think that a religous person doesnt have an adgenda. It is not in your best interest to even entertain the notion that their is evidance to suggest the bible isnt the one true word. You also made a generalization of your own
by labeling most as liberals.
 
IronMan271 said:
Norman Bates, great link. I have a history background and I was aware of that information. I think ttlpkg should view it
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I will view it. In the meantime, I challenge you to think of all the historians that you are familiar with or have read. I think you will agree that they tend to be liberal.
 
Historians tend to be liberal?
So intelligent people who spend time with history usually turn liberal, what´s your point?
 
ttlpkg said:

I will view it. In the meantime, I challenge you to think of all the historians that you are familiar with or have read. I think you will agree that they tend to be liberal.
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That goes without being said.

and even if a particular historian or writer is not a leftist, he will be forced to put a leftist slant on his work to gain academic recognition and acceptance by peers, publishers, universities, etc.

A writer is only as successful if he has an audience, and it is near impossible to gain entry into the academic publishing world if you do not adhere to the leftist party line.
 
Whoever said the Bible was written as a History book ?
It was written as a Guide to live one's life by, and as such, mentions and has examples of historical events to give one insight.
Insight into the events that shaped the beliefs and way of life it asks you to follow.

As for me, the old testament is something I struggle to comprehend every time I read it. Confusing dates and unbelievable stories that go against my Scientific Schooling.
As a Christian I have belief and faith but still question.

The New Testament is where I spend much of my reading time and it too has areas that require FAITH..

YOU CANNOT AGRUE SOMEONEs FAITH.....
 
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1 Samuel 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Numbers 31:15 And Moses said to them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD, in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


So is that the word of a merciful god?
Strangely, an eternal god with infinite wisdom has to change his point of view when it came to the new testament.Maybe god says only what fits into the design of the author of the bible.
 
Prometheus said:



That goes without being said.

and even if a particular historian or writer is not a leftist, he will be forced to put a leftist slant on his work to gain academic recognition and acceptance by peers, publishers, universities, etc.

A writer is only as successful if he has an audience, and it is near impossible to gain entry into the academic publishing world if you do not adhere to the leftist party line.
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are you joking? Please tell me you are. If not, lets see some facts. lol.
 
Y_Lifter said:
Whoever said the Bible was written as a History book ?
It was written as a Guide to live one's life by and as such, mentions and has examples of historical events to give one insight.
Insight into the events that shaped the beliefs and way of life is ask you to follow.

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GOOD POST!!!!
 
Norman Bates said:
1 Samuel 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.


So is that the word of a merciful god?
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What is your point? Earlier you argued the Bible is not a credible source of history, no you say it's not nice?

The Bible, like any accurate historical text, is full of tragedies and injustices.
 
just curious, ttlpkg...do you believe in a literal interpretation of the old testament? do you believe that everything that is written there is true?
 
I believe in Individual Interpretation of both Old and New Testaments.

This is the main reason why I'm not a Southern Baptist..
 
runner said:
just curious, ttlpkg...do you believe in a literal interpretation of the old testament? do you believe that everything that is written there is true?
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Just as Ylifter said, I find some of it hard to understand, and conflicts abound with stuff I learned in school, but as a Christian I do believe it.

I would submit that assumptions scientists make about our history require a comparable leap of faith, which is why most of it is only theory. (e.g., the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc)
 
ttlpkg said:


Just as Ylifter said, I find some of it hard to understand, and conflicts abound with stuff I learned in school, but as a Christian I do believe it.

I would submit that assumptions scientists make about our history require a comparable leap of faith, which is why most of it is only theory. (e.g., the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc)
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Perfect...

you are not supposed to understand all of it. It is the Lods logic. That is why Christians rely on faith.
 
Can you fathom the mystery of God? Or can you probe the limits of the Almighty?
They are high as heaven.
What can you do?
Deeper than Sheol: what can you know?
The measure of it is longer than the earth, And broader than the sea.
If he passes by, or confines, Or convenes a court, then who can oppose him?

*

But as it is written, "Things which an eye didn't see, and an ear didn't hear, Which didn't enter into the heart of man, These God has prepared for those who love him."
But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
 
ttlpkg said:


Just as Ylifter said, I find some of it hard to understand, and conflicts abound with stuff I learned in school, but as a Christian I do believe it.

I would submit that assumptions scientists make about our history require a comparable leap of faith, which is why most of it is only theory. (e.g., the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc)
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It might or might not be particularly relevant but ... The word 'theory' is not used in the scientific community in the same way it is used in other subjects. The NAS (National Academy of Science) defines a scientific theory to be 'a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incoporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses', so when scientists talk about the theory of evolution, atomic theory, quantum theory, theory of relativity, etc. they are not expressing reservations about its truth... They don't use it in the way they teach it in elementary school as being something beyond a hypothese but not quite a law... It has a very different nuance associated w/ it... Not to say the theory cannot be revised or maybe wrong, but to think that they use the word 'theory' to assert the fact that it is not an absolute is mistaken.
 
The fact is that the bible is clear. Sure in nature even porking dead animals is OK but the bible is clear that faggots are going to be burned in hell and have hot-lead poured into there asses. Now I personally think thats a little harsh sure, but then I aint the Jesus and this aint the bibel.

I personally got nothing against faggots, but they shouldnt not pretend its is all natural and all. Its about as natural as a milk to cow drink!

ROFL

Muscular Warrior
 
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