Seeking cycle approval/advice...

[savage1026]

Stats: 5'9; 190; 11.5% BF (just had it checked); 19 yrs old
Cycle history: Ran winny 50mg EOD for 6 wks last September. (perhaps not the best choice, this i now realize, but i was pleased with the results.)
Training history: lifting for bodybuilding purposes for about 4 years. Currently pursuing a degree in Exercise Science. Diet is in check.

First of all, I suppose i'll touch on the age situation. I've weighed the pros and cons, the risks and benefits, researched my ass off, and have obviously come to the conclusion that i'm going to go through with my first "real" cycle. I've already got my gear, just seeking final approval before I get my feet wet. My proposed cycle is this:

Sustanon 250mg every 5 days
10 weeks
10mg Nolva throughout cycle
Nolva and Clomid for PCT

Also, I will be running Clenbuterol post cycle, 2wks on 2wks off. Still contemplating adding yohimbine to the mix.

I already have the classic "puffy nipple" thing going for me. I blame out of whack test/estrogen levels during puberty or dancing with mary jane a bit too often throughout my adolesence. Assuming it's safe to say i'm gyno prone, is running 10mg of nolva every day enough to combat? I'm guessing the puffyness will subside after my PCT and when my bodyfat goes below 10%. I would appreciate any advice you guys have for my little gyno conundrum, as well as my cycle as a whole. To all of you mods and vets offering your help, it does not go unappreciated. I'm glad you have the patience to put up with my and others newbie BS.

 

[fugetaboutit]

You are very young. But you sound smarter than other newbies and guys your age. While I don't recomend a cycle at your age, and I don't condone it either, it sounds alright. You're probably going to do this regardless, 'cause you already have your gear, so that being said you should probably do two shots a week , one every 3 days. Good luck.

 

[swordfish151]

Stats: 5'9; 190; 11.5% BF (just had it checked); 19 yrs old
Cycle history: Ran winny 50mg EOD for 6 wks last September. (perhaps not the best choice, this i now realize, but i was pleased with the results.)
Training history: lifting for bodybuilding purposes for about 4 years. Currently pursuing a degree in Exercise Science. Diet is in check.

First of all, I suppose i'll touch on the age situation. I've weighed the pros and cons, the risks and benefits, researched my ass off, and have obviously come to the conclusion that i'm going to go through with my first "real" cycle. I've already got my gear, just seeking final approval before I get my feet wet. My proposed cycle is this:

Sustanon 250mg every 5 days
10 weeks
10mg Nolva throughout cycle
Nolva and Clomid for PCT

Also, I will be running Clenbuterol post cycle, 2wks on 2wks off. Still contemplating adding yohimbine to the mix.

I already have the classic "puffy nipple" thing going for me. I blame out of whack test/estrogen levels during puberty or dancing with mary jane a bit too often throughout my adolesence. Assuming it's safe to say i'm gyno prone, is running 10mg of nolva every day enough to combat? I'm guessing the puffyness will subside after my PCT and when my bodyfat goes below 10%. I would appreciate any advice you guys have for my little gyno conundrum, as well as my cycle as a whole. To all of you mods and vets offering your help, it does not go unappreciated. I'm glad you have the patience to put up with my and others newbie BS.

first cycle should have been test, but whatever at this point..i say your too young as well....why? if i may ask would you consider doing it now...trying to see your view point here...aslo i would run HCG for PCT...

 

[shamrock11]

I feel you have the knowledge to do a cycle, but I just don't feel your body is ready. You are still growing and in that you tendon, ligaments and espically your connective tissues. All these will be under a lot of stress on gear and you will be putting yourself at a very great risk of injury and wasting money on a cycle you may not even get to finish. I know a lot of young people do there research on gear, but forget to research how their own body is still growing and what effects gear will have on their still growing body. My suggestion it to wait a couple more years, but to each there own.

 

[DIVISION]

I already have the classic "puffy nipple" thing going for me. I blame out of whack test/estrogen levels during puberty or dancing with mary jane a bit too often throughout my adolesence.

Marijuana induced Gyno is a no-go.

I do not "approve" your post.

Sorry, bro.......but all things have a price.




DIV

 

[slat1]

first cycle should have been test, but whatever at this point..i say your too young as well....why? if i may ask would you consider doing it now...trying to see your view point here...aslo i would run HCG for PCT...

He's right about the HCG.
I would just use on sust a week. I used that and went from 200 to 220.

 

[swordfish151]

Marijuana induced Gyno is a no-go.

I do not "approve" your post.

Sorry, bro.......but all things have a price.




DIV

Im unclear what you mean division...you saying he is to young..that is why you dont approve or because of the MJ induced gyno??

 

[DIVISION]

Im unclear what you mean division...you saying he is to young..that is why you dont approve or because of the MJ induced gyno??

Both.

Marijuana and serious lifting don't go hand in hand.....

At 19, his nuts haven't even dropped yet......he's just a kid, not really for AAS.

I think he needs to lift consistently and in about 5 years he should revisit the possibility of AAS.

Otherwise he'll be severely limiting his potential.



DIV

 

[savage1026]

Thanks for all of your responses guys. While I truly respect all of your opinions on the age issue, i was more or less seeking the "approval" of my cycle and pct. Not that I don't take your advice into consideration, it's just a personal decision that i've thought a long time about.

DIV, i'm not sure i understand your logic here. There is a thread up now in which you give a 20yr old football player advice on his upcoming cycle. Are you just drawing the line around 20? I can understand why having -teen on the end of your age could make a difference. Or is it because he is an athlete? I understand if you do not want to give me your advice, that is totally up to you. I was just trying to understand your logic here. Could you elaborate for me?

 

[swordfish151]

Thanks for all of your responses guys. While I truly respect all of your opinions on the age issue, i was more or less seeking the "approval" of my cycle and pct. Not that I don't take your advice into consideration, it's just a personal decision that i've thought a long time about.

DIV, i'm not sure i understand your logic here. There is a thread up now in which you give a 20yr old football player advice on his upcoming cycle. Are you just drawing the line around 20? I can understand why having -teen on the end of your age could make a difference. Or is it because he is an athlete? I understand if you do not want to give me your advice, that is totally up to you. I was just trying to understand your logic here. Could you elaborate for me?

20 is still to young...but i think DIVISION was taking into consideration the MJ use in your case.

 

[savage1026]

I don't understand why smoking tree when i was younger has anyhing to with the approval of my post And i'll stick by possibility of marijuana induced gyno...

 

[DIVISION]

DIV, i'm not sure i understand your logic here. There is a thread up now in which you give a 20yr old football player advice on his upcoming cycle. Are you just drawing the line around 20? I can understand why having -teen on the end of your age could make a difference. Or is it because he is an athlete? I understand if you do not want to give me your advice, that is totally up to you. I was just trying to understand your logic here. Could you elaborate for me?

Swordfishfry explained my case accurately, SavageNation.

These are two different situations.... The football player IS TOO YOUNG, but he's going to use them anyway, so I gave the best advice for his situation. Plus in his situation, his performance determines his scholarship egibility etc.

Your case is radically different, you've abused Marijuana as a kid and you're not an athlete and you're too young anyway. So basically there's no upside in your situation in regards to AAS. You have nothing to gain and some to lose because your natural test production should be off and poppin' right now given your age. Starting AAS now would rob your body of natural potential, thus I don't think you're ready.

It's a SavageNation......correct.




DIV

 

[savage1026]

Thanks, DIV. I see your point, but i don't agree with the justification through sports. Everyone has their own reasons for using AAS, and marijuana for that matter, and i don't think these reasons necessarily reflect on the person's personality or seriousness. I guess it's just the rationalization game that gets me.

 

[DIVISION]

Thanks, DIV. I see your point, but i don't agree with the justification through sports. Everyone has their own reasons for using AAS, and marijuana for that matter, and i don't think these reasons necessarily reflect on the person's personality or seriousness. I guess it's just the rationalization game that gets me.

It's my personal decisions/justification. Being a marijana user gets you knocked down a level in my book, I just don't think that corresponds to anything positive in regards to lifting or health.

The kid in college who wants to use AAS to keep his starting job on the team and earn his scholarship is taking a HUGE risk for a reason......but for you there's no legit justification to use AAS at your age. If I was there with you in person right now, I'd tie you to a chair and beat these words in to your head like a KMFDM song.

Feel me?




DIV

 

[savage1026]

Thanks once again Division, i respect your advice and opinion. You seem to know what you're talking about more than most on the boards.

You shouldn't stereotype all people who at one time smoked pot. We're not all so bad. But i guess i'll have to take being demoted a level in your book.

 

[DIVISION]

Plus, what makes one an athlete? I bust my ass with my training and diet more than most 19yr olds. Not saying I work as hard as a division 1 athlete, but if it's physical effort that correlates to being an athlete then i would say, yes i am. Or perhaps i'm just talking out of my ass...

Perhaps, but I'd say a DIVISION 1 athlete has to do alot more work in the gym than you do......whether they want to or not!

You're 19, just a baby out of the cradle.......You're not ready for AAS!

NO!




DIV

 

[savage1026]

Can anyone give me some adivice on the nolva situation?

 

[Neo22]

Can anyone give me some adivice on the nolva situation?

You can take 10-20mg throughout if you wish. I would take the least amount possible during the cycle.

 

[maldorf]

Stats: 5'9; 190; 11.5% BF (just had it checked); 19 yrs old
Cycle history: Ran winny 50mg EOD for 6 wks last September. (perhaps not the best choice, this i now realize, but i was pleased with the results.)
Training history: lifting for bodybuilding purposes for about 4 years. Currently pursuing a degree in Exercise Science. Diet is in check.

First of all, I suppose i'll touch on the age situation. I've weighed the pros and cons, the risks and benefits, researched my ass off, and have obviously come to the conclusion that i'm going to go through with my first "real" cycle. I've already got my gear, just seeking final approval before I get my feet wet. My proposed cycle is this:

Sustanon 250mg every 5 days
10 weeks
10mg Nolva throughout cycle
Nolva and Clomid for PCT

Also, I will be running Clenbuterol post cycle, 2wks on 2wks off. Still contemplating adding yohimbine to the mix.

I already have the classic "puffy nipple" thing going for me. I blame out of whack test/estrogen levels during puberty or dancing with mary jane a bit too often throughout my adolesence. Assuming it's safe to say i'm gyno prone, is running 10mg of nolva every day enough to combat? I'm guessing the puffyness will subside after my PCT and when my bodyfat goes below 10%. I would appreciate any advice you guys have for my little gyno conundrum, as well as my cycle as a whole. To all of you mods and vets offering your help, it does not go unappreciated. I'm glad you have the patience to put up with my and others newbie BS.

I agree with many here that you should wait at least 5 more years. You should still be able to make good gains with only having 4 years of training under your belt. You might think by using the test that you are not being too radical on your body since it is a natural hormone, but after doing your first cycle you will find yourself desiring to do a wider range of substances. You will not really get optimum effect off the aas either if you do not have the training intensity that long years of training bring. You really need to build a strong base, get your bones and tendons/ligaments strong to keep up with the muscle you will build. I did not start using unitl I had been training for about 14 years and could see I was making only very small gains each year. I think I was nearing my genetic limit, but who knows. You will never know what that limit is once you start using.