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CaptainAwesome said:
LOL...sorry I take it back...your not so awesome...way to come back with "intelligent" reasoning....
Second law of Thermodynamics
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LOL...sorry I take it back...your not so awesome...way to come back with "intelligent" reasoning....
GenetiKing
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tubby74 said:
Actually what's really interesting is NONE of these "LAWS" would exist without humans! It's just the "IS" and all these laws are just a way for humans to feel like they "REALLY" understand the universe when in actuality by creating all these "LAWS" you take away from it not add to it.
No.
These laws of how the universe operates have existed since before we have. We didn't just make them up, haha! They are constant, testable, applicable, and observable. They aren't just babble. Humans didn't create these laws, we merely observe and record them. We can prove they are real.
We have simply interpreted them in forms we can undestand (mathematics) so we may better understand the universe in which we live.
How can our need to fully comprehend our environment through the scientific method be anything but noble? How are we "taking away from the universe" by trying to understand it? That argument holds no water.
Also, no one pretends to understand the universe. It's still largely enigmatic to us but as we continually unravel it's mysteries, it becomes even more beautiful as we see it in it's grand simplicity. By advancing our knowledge base through science, we elevate ourselves in the face of traditional and ritualistic bullshit that numbs our curiosities, kills progression, and stagnates us as a species.
Justtryingnot2getfat
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well said GK -just what I would expect form a TN boy
GenetiKing
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Justtryingnot2getfat said:well said GK -just what I would expect form a TN boy
TN Boy? Is that good or bad in your opinion? LOL!!
Justtryingnot2getfat
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<----------------- an origional volunteer. cool
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GenetiKing
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Justtryingnot2getfat said:<----------------- an origional volunteer.
Ah....very cool. You've been blessed....
I find something interesting in this long thread.
One it was a question about thermodynamics and somehow god came into play and it has turned into a thread of sceince vs religion.
A few points.
1. Just because there was a big bang doesn't point to the existence of god or a god. What was on the outside of the big bang (singularity) is a good topic for metaphysics, but truly we cannot know and by pointing that it must indicate god only reafirms what man does. We use science to explain things and when science cannot adequately explain a situation or event do we turn to the idea of god. The Greeks did it, the Romans did it and the Jewish and Christians as well. Especially when it comes to the topic of Pre birth/Post death. What was before the big bang, to what are we expanding into.
I liken our existence as the image in a mirror as reflected by a mirror. The reflectioin goes on for forever, infinitely deep into the mirror. Can it be that we are nothing more than a universe within a universe. A sub-level within a level. A lower or higher dimension within a given universe.
And if there is a god and it is outside of the big bang, then what is it in? What surrounds god? There must be a higher level of deity than that.
2. Time is an invention of man to measure his existence.
What about wasting time? How does one waste time? Since time is a concept. Time cannot be wasted since it always "flows" at the same rate and in the same direction (not withstanding possible time travel) It is a linear "motion" that cannot be thrown away. Certainly the concept of wasting time refers to someones useless pursuit of topics, ideas and activities that neither benifit the individual or the group. I refuse to believe that CaptainAwesome is wasting his time or ours. His antagonistic ways, bring him pleasure and cause us to further investigate our beliefs and ideas. Therefore, to his own end he is benfitting us all by his ways.
One it was a question about thermodynamics and somehow god came into play and it has turned into a thread of sceince vs religion.
A few points.
1. Just because there was a big bang doesn't point to the existence of god or a god. What was on the outside of the big bang (singularity) is a good topic for metaphysics, but truly we cannot know and by pointing that it must indicate god only reafirms what man does. We use science to explain things and when science cannot adequately explain a situation or event do we turn to the idea of god. The Greeks did it, the Romans did it and the Jewish and Christians as well. Especially when it comes to the topic of Pre birth/Post death. What was before the big bang, to what are we expanding into.
I liken our existence as the image in a mirror as reflected by a mirror. The reflectioin goes on for forever, infinitely deep into the mirror. Can it be that we are nothing more than a universe within a universe. A sub-level within a level. A lower or higher dimension within a given universe.
And if there is a god and it is outside of the big bang, then what is it in? What surrounds god? There must be a higher level of deity than that.
2. Time is an invention of man to measure his existence.
What about wasting time? How does one waste time? Since time is a concept. Time cannot be wasted since it always "flows" at the same rate and in the same direction (not withstanding possible time travel) It is a linear "motion" that cannot be thrown away. Certainly the concept of wasting time refers to someones useless pursuit of topics, ideas and activities that neither benifit the individual or the group. I refuse to believe that CaptainAwesome is wasting his time or ours. His antagonistic ways, bring him pleasure and cause us to further investigate our beliefs and ideas. Therefore, to his own end he is benfitting us all by his ways.
