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Second cycle help, prop w/slin, need opinions

McBane

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OK I am planning my second cycle already lol. Just finished my first 2 days ago. Won't start this until January but just like to get shit squared away early. I did a prop/anavar cycle (100mg eod/30mg ed respectively) for 8 weeks and got good gains (all the ancilleries as well). Probably gained about 12lbs of muscle, and I dropped about 5% bf. So overall my weight didn't change that much but I look a LOT better. Everyone I see makes comments, it's so encouraging. Anyways here is my thoughts and I know I will get an array of responses but hear me out and try to keep flames to a minimum

Basically I want mass but I like my health and like to keep risks minimal. So that being said I was thinking about just running test prop maybe 100mg eod or maybe 125mg eod...not sure for 6 weeks (I didn't make that great of gains in the last 2 weeks but I had most of my psychological problems from the test around then so figured I'd cut it short). Here is where I know the flames are going to come I am thinking about adding insulin. Before you beat me to a bloody pulp hear me out. While insulin can be dangerous and is not for novices, if used properly seems to me like it can be safer than AAS usage. As long as one eats enough carbs/protein and keeps his diet right (and doesn't do anything stupid like go to sleep or take a long-acting insulin without always being ready to eat) it seems like the gains can be pretty good and the side effects minimal. I mean the risk of pancreatic shutdown is very very minimal, the only other real risk would be death if you don't eat but if one is smart. I'll be taking some creatine with it too and some other goodies that have been recommended with slin usage.

I was thinking about using it only on training days, (I usually train 5 days a week), but I thought this might be too much to start so I am considering as low as 3 times weekly. I'd probably start at 2IU and work my way up 1IU each time and try to work up to prob 8IU maybe just 7, I'll play it by ear and see how gains are and see how I feel. I was thinking about running it for only the first 4 weeks, as I think much longer might be too much for my first time, but I am open to ideas and experiences of others. I've done a decent amount of reading about insulin but it by no means complete. Anyways here's the idea for the cycle in a VERY rough draft. Responses are welcome and appreciated!

Week 1-6 Test prop 100mg eod (maybe 125mg if I can afford it)
Week 1-4 Insulin after workouts (5 days per week, starting at 2IU and increase it by 1IU each time until I reach 7 or 8 IU.
Week 1-6 femara 1.25mg eod (plus I will taper it down but continue to run it in post cycle recovery with clomid)
Week 0-6 Propecia 1mg eod

Obviously like I said clomid post cycle and I will have some nolv on hand just in case.

Thanks in advance for responses!
 
I don't want to run a long cycle though. I'd rather it be short and quick. It was just too much for me psychologically to stay on 8 weeks. Maybe I was just overwhelmed by other stuff in my life, but I'd like to try a short cycle and I'm not a big fan of orals.

Slin seems to give quick fast mass and so does the prop, plus the prop will keep the fat storage much lower w/the slin. Plus slin is relatively inexpensive, and easy as shit to get. I'm pretty broke right now so it would be nice to just run a slin/prop cycle economically speaking. I am definitely set on no more than an 8 week cycle, and I'm leaning towards a 6 week. I'd like to see if I can get just get on and off real fast and make the gains. May be a bit unorthidox but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Maybe I'll get a few extra amps of prop so I can go the full 8 weeks if things are going well. I was leaning towards fina but at this point I think it's just too harsh for me to touch right now... plus the whole baking it myself sketches me out a little. I looked into that though because it was very cost effective as well.

I've been told by some that I am not ready for slin in my 2nd cycle. I am also wondering if you can elaborate on the comment that I am not ready for slin yet. While I agree I need to do a little more research (but I'm not planning on using it until like Jan), I don't see why one needs to wait until further along in his juice career to use slin. While I understand the argument that one should try to do "safer" cycles early on in one's juice career. I don't see why slin is really that dangerous. I mean if you pay attention to your blood sugar and eat enough I don't see the problems that would happen. Maybe I am missing something? Anyone care to elaborate?

Thanks
 
so your talking about only running a six week cycle with insulin and prop? Insulin isnt something fuked around with, you have to know exactly what your doing with it. If you dont know if your ready then your not, I would wait a few more cycles before you even consider it because you dont have enough experience. Why not go with a mass building cycle such as

wk 1-10 600mg enanthate
wk 1-4 35mg dbol ed
wk 1-10 400mg deca

insulin is best used for building mass, but I would hold off on it. Get some experience with a 10 week cycle such as this, which is a good cycle. That is what I would recommend.
 
That just sounds insane to me to think of using it on only your second cycle. There are far safer ways & equally effective ways to gain at this point in your training. Save the slin for later. You are only going to grow so much in one single cycle. Sorry I don;t have any scientific stuff to say about it though. Just my $.02
 
exactly, slin isnt something you mess around with. You really need to know AS very well, and be around it and familiar with it.
 
I don't want to run a longer cycle. I just got off an 8 week of test prop/anavar and got decent gains but the last 2 weeks were just hellish for me psychologically. The test started really fucking with my head and I was all depressed and shit for no reason really. I'm in post cycle now and feel fine.

I wanted to run a shorter cycle because of this reason. Plus I didn't see much mass in the last 2 weeks of this cycle and test prop is very quickly acting.

I am not going to use slin until I've done enough research bro. I already said that. But I don't see how me taking a few cycles of dbols/enth/eq will make me more ready for insulin. There just is no corrolation between the 2. Not tyring to sound like a dick but it just seems like people are overly paranoid about insulin without knowing much about it. Granted it can kill, but so can a lot of things. If one eats properly and gets enough food in his system then there should be no probs (at least from what I have read so far, but like I said I have a few more months to research).
 
Btw I've thought of using other drugs to accomplish some good mass in a 6 week cycle like fina, or maybe some winny (although that wouldn't help _that_ much). And those drugs just aren't for me at this point (the fina thing scares me about making it myself, I have trouble cooking toast and don't want to inject a home-made concoction into my body). And I'm not a big fan of orals.
 
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