Schwarzenegger Says He Has 'Behaved Badly'

[ROID WARRIOR]

Schwarzenegger Says He Has 'Behaved Badly'
Women Claim Schwarzenegger Groped Them
By ERICA WEINER, AP

SAN DIEGO (Oct. 2) - Confronted with fresh allegations that he groped women, Arnold Schwarzenegger apologized Thursday for having ''behaved badly sometimes'' and pleaded with voters just days before California's recall election for the chance to show that he has changed.



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Schwarzenegger's camp denied the allegations.

The admission came just as the action hero appeared to be picking up steam as the front-runner to replace Gov. Gray Davis in Tuesday's historic election.

Some political analysts predicted serious harm to Schwarzenegger, whose standing among women voters was poor even before the latest furor.

Taking the stage to chants of ''Arnold, Arnold,'' Schwarzenegger immediately addressed the issue at a campaign event in San Diego to kick off the final leg of his campaign.


''I have behaved badly sometimes. Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done things that were not right, which I thought then was playful but now I recognize that I offended people,'' he said.

From this point on, Schwarzenegger said, he would prove he is a ''champion for the women.'' As he made that pledge, the crowd interrupted him with cheers.

The admission came hours after the Los Angeles Times reported the accusations of six women who accused Schwarzenegger of sexually harassing and groping them over the past three decades.

Three of the women told the Times that Schwarzenegger groped their breasts. One said he tried to take her bathing suit off in a hotel elevator, and another said he put his hand up her skirt and grabbed her buttocks. Still another said he pulled her on his lap and asked if she ever had a particular sex act performed on her.


The Times, quoting two of the women by name and the rest anonymously, said the incidents occurred as far back as 1975 and as recently as 2000.

''All is not forgiven. He's got a pattern of this for 30 years, it just doesn't just go away,'' Karen Pomer, a spokeswoman for the women's group CodePink, said after the apology.

Megan Seely, president of the California chapter of the National Organization for Women, said: ''It's clear Schwarzenegger is not safe for women.''

But Julie Vandermost, president of the California Women's Leadership Association, a Republican group that endorsed Schwarzenegger, said she was pleased the actor was truthful, and added that his admission does not mean he is an unworthy candidate for governor.

''I don't expect Schwarzenegger to be groping people in Sacramento,'' she said.

Barbara O'Connor, a professor of political science at California State University, Sacramento, said the story could have disastrous consequences for Schwarzenegger.

''I think the evidence is very damning,'' O'Connor said. ''The American people are fairly forgiving but they don't like to be lied to. This speaks to character. To 'fess up only after you're caught, we don't even allow our teenagers to do that.''

Schwarzenegger dismissed the Times story as ''trash politics'' and said much of it was not true.

''But at the same time, I have to tell you that I always say, that wherever there is smoke, there is fire. That is true,'' he said.

''Those people that I have offended, I want to say to them I am deeply sorry about that and I apologize because that's not what I'm trying to do.''

The Times said that none of the actor's political opponents put reporters in touch with the women and that none had come forward on their own. None have brought legal action against Schwarzenegger, the newspaper said.

A spokesman for Davis said the governor's campaign was not involved in publicizing any of the accusations and would not be bringing them up in political ads.

Davis declined to discuss the issue, saying, ''The voters will determine how significant that story is. I'm confident the voters will decide who is best qualified to lead this state.''

Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, who is running second to Schwarzenegger in the polls, said the allegations are ''very serious and should be resolved.''

''Women can't be approached like that in the workplace,'' he said.

Schwarzenegger's alleged past indiscretions have been an issue in the campaign since he announced his bid to replace Davis if the governor is recalled. Much of the controversy has surrounded a 1977 interview in Oui magazine in which Schwarzenegger talked about engaging in group sex.

The actor and former world bodybuilding champion has previously said he did not remember that interview and that, in any case, he often exaggerated in those days to promote his sport and his fledgling movie career.

After Premiere magazine raised allegations of boorish behavior toward women in 2001, several colleagues came to Schwarzenegger's defense, including Linda Hamilton, who appeared opposite him in two ''Terminator'' movies, and Jamie Lee Curtis, who played his wife in ''True Lies.''

''Arnold is a perfect gentleman and a devoted family man,'' Curtis said at the time.

At his first campaign stop after the apology, Schwarzenegger was greeted by a handful of protesters holding signs saying, ''Women Demand Respect'' and ''Keep Your Hands Off California's Women.'' His supporters surrounded them and tried to prevent people from seeing the signs.

''What we saw in the L.A. Times today was not an attack on Arnold Schwarzenegger, it was an attack on every single one of us that wants to take back California,'' said GOP Rep. David Dreier, a Schwarzenegger supporter.

Schwarzenegger also picked up the endorsement Thursday of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

''I have spent much of my career fighting against the corrupting influence of special interest money in politics. When Arnold becomes governor I hope to have a powerful ally in that fight,'' McCain said in a statement.

Also Thursday, a lawsuit accuses Schwarzenegger of breaking the law for receiving $4 million in loans for his campaign, but a judge refused to block him from using the money. A hearing on a preliminary injunction was set for Dec. 2


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[Rick Collins]

More attacks on the Austrian Oak

Schwarzenegger linked to contests with steroids
Questions raised over his campaign against use

Edward Epstein, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Wednesday, October 1, 2003
©2003 San Francisco Chronicle

Washington -- Arnold Schwarzenegger, who admits he used then-legal steroids
to help create the mass of muscle that made him a bodybuilding champion,
movie star and candidate for governor, says today's athletes shouldn't use
the same chemicals that aided him.

But Schwarzenegger remains deeply connected to the world of professional
bodybuilding and sponsors an annual pro contest where even his co-promoter
admits competitors use steroids. Schwarzenegger is one of the star
attractions every March at the Arnold Classic in Columbus, Ohio, where he
appears alongside competitors, many of whom admit they use steroids.

Schwarzenegger's Web site continues to promote the event, promising he'll
attend a VIP event with ticket buyers at the classic in March.

These connections have raised questions about Schwarzenegger's credibility
as an anti-steroid campaigner.

Charles Yesalis, a Penn State University health policy professor who wrote,
"The Steroid Game," and who has long campaigned against athletes' using
steroids, said Schwarzenegger "is not an appropriate role model.

"The message he sends is an inappropriate one," said Yesalis, who describes
himself as a "staunch Republican."

"You have to ask, would Arnold Schwarzenegger be the successful person he is
today without using those drugs?" he said.

Since 1989, Schwarzenegger has sponsored the annual Arnold Classic, where
this year's top prize was $100,000, a $70,000 Hummer and a gold Rolex watch.
Despite his outspoken opposition to steroids, the show features a select
group of heavyweight competitors, many of whom freely admit in muscle
magazines, books and Web sites that they regularly use steroids in their
drive to emulate Schwarzenegger's bodybuilding success.

Competitors at the Arnold Classic, which is now part of a fitness weekend
that includes such diverse activities as gymnastics and yoga, are tested for
steroids and other banned substances, said Schwarzenegger's business
partner, Jim Lorimer.

"Arnold now publicly and repeatedly condemns the use of steroids," said
Schwarzenegger campaign spokesman Rob Stutzman. "If he knew then what we
know now, he wouldn't have done it."

No competitor has been banned from the Arnold Classic for testing positive
for steroids.

The classic is not touted by the North American Natural Bodybuilding
Federation, a group aimed at promoting drug-free bodybuilding that sponsors
so- called clean competitions across the nation.


COMPETITORS USE STEROIDS
Lorimer, whose 28-year business partnership with Schwarzenegger is based on
a handshake, admitted that competitors in the show use steroids and probably
try to cheat the testing.

"I know they use them, but whether they are using them at the time of the
competition, I don't know. . . . The challenge in all sports involving
strength is the testing and of what the tests can detect."

But Yesalis said that explanation amounts to looking the other way. "The
vast majority of humans with IQs above room temperature would look at these
bodybuilders and be very suspicious of steroid use," Yesalis said.

Anti-steroid campaigners warn of the health dangers of using the muscle and
strength enhancers. In men, side effects from prolonged use can include
liver and heart damage, increased blood pressure, such psychological
problems as "roid rage" and depressed testosterone production.

Schwarzenegger, who in interviews has minimized the amount of steroids he
used during his competitive days, is now outspoken in his opposition to the
substances.

In addition to the testing at his show, his supporters say that when he used
steroids in the late 1960s and 1970s, he did so legally, probably with a
doctor's prescription. Only in 1991, with enactment of the Anabolic Steroid
Control Act, has possession, import or sale of steroids without a
prescription become a federal felony.

Others also credit Schwarzenegger for his turnaround since his bodybuilding
career ended.

Rick Collins, a former competitive bodybuilder who is now a lawyer in New
York specializing in steroid cases, said the atmosphere was different when
Schwarzenegger used steroids, because athletes could get the drugs legally
from doctors.

"When he used them, it was prior to the 1991 act. It was a decision made
with a doctor and it was an issue of personal responsibility and personal
freedoms," Collins said.

Collins said the 1991 law has backfired because it has driven those who want
to buy steroids into a dangerous underground market.

Public health officials say the illegal substances are used by more and more
teens and by athletes in strength sports other than bodybuilding.

"As somebody who is in a position to influence young people, I want to make
my position very clear. I am absolutely against the use of these dangerous
and illegal substances," Schwarzenegger wrote in his "New Encyclopedia of
Modern Bodybuilding."

Schwarzenegger wrote that he wished the International Federation of Body
Building, the group that oversees pro bodybuilding, would test all its
competitors at all shows for steroids and other banned drugs. Some pros
abuse diuretics, which bodybuilders use just before a competition to get rid
of water as a way of making their muscles stand out even more. Some also
inject insulin to build muscle mass.

"Personally speaking, I have been trying for more than 10 years to convince
the IFBB to use the latest state-of-the-art technology to test both amateurs
and professionals for any and all anabolic/ androgenic agents,"
Schwarzenegger wrote.

But four-time Arnold Classic winner, Kenny "Flex" Wheeler, admits in his new
autobiography that he was a heavy steroid user for 18 years, including when
he won the show. Wheeler, who says he has suffered serious health problems
related to steroids and other drugs used for bodybuilding, adds that steroid
use among his fellow competitors is endemic.


VITAL ROLE
In his book, Wheeler is frank about the vital role that steroids play in pro
bodybuilding, and about how everyone involved knows that heavy use is going
on.

"Steroids are simply part of the game in the bodybuilding world, as common
as barbells and a high protein diet," Wheeler wrote.

In his few public comments on his steroid use, Schwarzenegger has minimized
how much of the injectable drugs he used.

"You'd do it for three months, once a year before contests," he said in an
interview in the 1990s. "If you take 15 milligrams of let's say, anabolic
steroids for three months, it's one thing. But if you take 200 milligrams a
day for a whole year, that's something else."

Dr. Linn Goldberg, a professor at the Oregon Health and Science University
who has designed programs to keep high school students off steroids, said,
"If you sponsor a show where people are knowingly using steroids, that's
hypocritical."


SCHOOL PROGRAMS AND STARS
But Goldberg said that before condemning Schwarzenegger, he would have to
know the timing, strictness and sophistication of the Arnold Classic's
testing.

He said his high school programs avoid using star athletes who are former
steroid users as spokesmen because they send a mixed message.

"We don't use ex-user pro athletes because they say, 'Look I got these Super
Bowl rings,' " and then warn against the dangers of steroids," Goldberg
said.

Stutzman said the fact that the Arnold Classic is drug tested at all shows
Schwarzenegger is serious. "You're describing an issue that confronts the
entire sports world. Arnold is a leader of the bodybuilding sport and is a
supporter of the sport."

Lorimer, who supports his friend's bid for governor, said Schwarzenegger
became suspicious in the early 1970s that steroids could cause health
problems,

and stopped using them. "He retired from bodybuilding, in part, he told me,
because he felt they were not healthy."

 

[Rick Collins]

And this from Salon.com...

Arnold's body issues
Should California voters worry about Schwarzenegger's past steroid use? Depends on whether you believe scientists -- or tales of 'roid rage.
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By David Gilson

Sept. 30, 2003 | Of all the California gubernatorial candidates, only one has inspired a nickname for a Schedule 3 controlled substance. The candidate is Arnold Schwarzenegger, and the substance is anabolic steroids, or -- as some illicit users have dubbed them -- "Arnolds." It's only fitting that Schwarzenegger is immortalized in this way, since he epitomizes the promise of steroids: monstrously big muscles that can morph a scrawny nobody into a ripped he-man with health, wealth, popularity -- and maybe even a shot at running the most populous state in the country.

The past steroid use of the seven-time Mr. Olympia, five-time Mr. Universe, and one-time Mr. World is no secret. Schwarzenegger portrays his doping as a youthful indiscretion that, despite its career-enhancing effects, he would prefer to put behind him. Appearing on "Larry King Live" in August, he said that using steroids "was stupid, because it was in the late '60s, early '70s, when we didn't know any better." Campaign spokesperson Karen Hanretty explains that "Arnold has made it clear that if he knew then what he knows now, he wouldn't have taken steroids." (Not that he's always been remorseful: In 1996, he told the Los Angeles Times, "It was a risky thing to do, but I have no regrets. It was what I had to do to compete.")

For over a decade, Schwarzenegger has condemned all athletic and cosmetic steroid use. As the head of the President's Council on Physical Fitness under George Bush the elder, he urged kids to stay off steroids and instead rely on hard work to reach their athletic goals. "There are no shortcuts," he told USA Today in 1990. And according to Schwarzenegger's personal Web site, his Arnold Classic bodybuilding competition was the first of its kind to require drug testing.

His anti-steroid message is pretty standard "Just say no" stuff: Steroids are unsporting and, since 1990, illegal. But when it comes to talking about what steroids can do to you, Schwarzenegger steers clear of specifics. Talking with King, he explained, "In the late '70s and in the early '80s, research was done and you found out that it's actually damaging, that it causes side effects and it is bad for your health." He wasn't inclined to elaborate on how that might relate to him personally. In a 1988 Playboy interview, he insisted that steroids hadn't harmed him: "I don't worry about it, because I never took an overdosage. I took them under a doctor's supervision once a year, six or eight weeks before competition. I was always careful and checked, and I never had any side effects."



He repeated his claim of a clean bill of health a few years ago to the Los Angeles Times, referencing one rumored ill effect of heavy doping. "I have no health problems," he said. "No kidney damage or anything like that from using them."

Schwarzenegger has good reason to be cagey when talking about the long-term effects of anabolic steroids. More than a dozen years after Congress outlawed their nonmedical use and put them in the same category as amphetamines and barbiturates, the verdict on their ultimate health consequences is still out. Researchers and doctors say they have good reason to believe steroids can cause serious harm, but despite decades of dire warnings, they're still scrambling to find scientific proof. On the other hand, there's surely no solid evidence that pumping up with steroids is exactly good for you, either.

Anabolic steroids, more accurately known as anabolic-androgenic steroids, are synthetic versions of testosterone. Though they have legitimate medical uses, they are best known as a way to beef up in a hurry. In the 1930s, researchers discovered that when fed to animals and humans, these compounds made muscles bulge and fat melt away. Though rumor has it that German athletes took testosterone in the 1936 Berlin Olympics, the first documented use of performance-enhancing hormones by an athlete involved an aging racehorse named Holloway in 1941. By the time Schwarzenegger discovered steroids in the late 1960s, humans were in on the action, too. Competitive athletes from NFL linemen to East German swimmers regularly popped, injected and openly praised them. The editor of Track and Field News hailed steroids as the "breakfast of champions." Over the next three decades, their use spread from pro athletes to high school jocks, gym rats, and ordinary guys who just wanted to transform their paunches into six-packs.

From the start, it's been clear that synthetic sex hormones can come with a slew of undesirable side effects. Men who take them may lose hair, grow breasts, and develop acne. If that weren't enough, steroids can, as the hardcore bodybuilding mag Muscular Development puts it, "make your testes the size of peanuts."

Women who take steroids may grow unwanted hair and see their breasts shrink and clitorises grow to what one dismayed user once termed "embarrassing proportions." Steroids can also fuel aggression -- not necessarily an undesirable outcome for competitive athletes or Hulk wannabes. As Dr. Charles Yesalis, a professor of public health at Penn State and an expert on nonmedical steroid use, recalls, "An All-Pro NFL player said to me, 'If you're an asshole before you use steroids, you're a bigger asshole after you use them.'" In rare cases, heavy users may become unpredictably violent, a psychological condition popularly known as 'roid rage.

Most of these unsightly and antisocial side effects subside when users stop dosing. But other effects worry members of the medical community more. "[Using steroids] blows the hell out of your good cholesterol," says Yesalis. Over time, such a drop could lead to trouble. "If [low good cholesterol] is maintained for protracted periods of time, we know from studies of non-steroid users that it will increase your risk of heart disease and stroke," he explains.


Common sense suggests that heavy steroid use is likely to increase those risks. "As the evidence emerges," says Yesalis, "you can make a stronger argument that higher doses for longer periods of time can lead to significantly worse health effects -- that's not rocket science."



But the most alarming evidence of the life-threatening dangers of steroids remains anecdotal. Doctors and researchers have documented hundreds of horror stories. In their luridly titled book, "Death in the Locker Room II," Dr. Bob Goldman and Dr. Ronald Klatz recount tales of steroid users cut down in their prime: a 33-year-old body builder who had a stroke and underwent a triple bypass, a high school football star who dropped dead of a heart attack, another bodybuilder in his 30s who came down with a rare kidney tumor and died months later. The book warns that "anabolic steroids bestow few benefits, and none worth the terrible risks of taking them." But Klatz now concedes that estimating the long-term risks of steroids is "like saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction -- a distinct possibility, but so far nothing's turned up."

"A lot remains in realm of conjecture," says Dr. Harrison Pope, a Harvard psychiatrist. There's been plenty of research on steroids' effects on lab animals, but no one has done the kind of controlled, longitudinal epidemiological study in people that would show how these drugs affect users 20 or 30 years later. A major problem, says Pope, is money. "It's too expensive to research. It would cost millions do that type of study." Pope should know: In his 2000 book "The Adonis Complex," he announced that he and his colleagues were starting a study of middle-aged subjects who used to juice up regularly. But the funding for the study, he says, has evaporated.


Another problem is finding willing subjects. Pumping human subjects full of steroids would be unethical, and actual users aren't lining up to volunteer in the name of science. "Very few people are doing studies of human steroid abusers at all because they are very hard to recruit," explains Pope. "It is a very secretive subculture, and it's hard to get people to come forward."

Perhaps the best-known steroid user to go public was Lyle Alzado. Shortly before his death from brain cancer at age 43 in 1992, the two-time All Star defensive lineman suggested that his illness might have been caused by years of doping. "I know there's no written, documented proof that steroids and human growth hormone caused this cancer," he wrote in Sports Illustrated. "But it's one of the reasons you have to look at. You have to." Former NFL drug advisor Dr. Forest Tennant predicted ominously at the time that "Alzado will be the first of a lot of big names to come down with cancers."

Football players didn't start dropping like flies, but unconfirmed reports of steroid-induced afflictions continue to follow former NFL players, WWF wrestlers and Olympic athletes. Concerns resurfaced with the sudden death of Olympic sprinter Florence Griffith Joyner in 1999. While she was alive, there was grumbling that Flo-Jo's accomplishments on the track were boosted by steroids, which in turn led to rumors about the true cause of her death.

Schwarzenegger's health has inspired its own fair share of gossip. In 1997, at age 49, he had two aortic valves replaced, a procedure that he maintained was an elective fix for a congenital problem. That didn't stop a Berlin heart specialist from predicting the imminent demise of "a well-known Austrian actor" due to steroid-induced heart problems. Schwarzenegger responded to the uninvited prognosis with a lawsuit, and was awarded $10,000 by a German court. In 2000, he launched a $50 million defamation suit against the Globe tabloid for alleging that he was a "ticking time bomb," eventually settling out of court and receiving a retraction. But the rumors weren't terminated so easily. A 2001 Premiere magazine exposé on the actor quoted an unnamed doctor who speculated that Schwarzenegger's heart condition was brought on by anabolic steroids. Team Schwarzenegger rushed to deny the claim, insisting it was "bogus."

The murkiness surrounding steroids feeds this kind of sensational speculation, while also providing cover for former users like Schwarzenegger. The confusion is compounded by hardcore bodybuilders and trainers who insist that, when taken responsibly, anabolic steroids can be safe and even prolong life. "We emphasize use, not abuse!" asserts Sam "Doc" Phillips, whose Web site, AnabolicBeast.com, promises to help customers "get BIGGER and MORE RIPPED than ever, while reducing side-effects." Phillips' business partner, Author L. Rea (who also goes by the nickname "Beast Maker"), has made a name for himself in the bodybuilding world by promoting a complex regimen of controlled doping cycles. Philips is sanguine about the risks. "There aren't any 'long-term' effects because steroids are naturally occurring chemicals and hormones in the body," he claims, though he notes that steroid abuse may cause prostate growth, tweak cholesterol levels, and kill the libido. But overall, he says, the media, doctors and anti-drug groups have vastly exaggerated the dangers.


That view is echoed by Rick Collins, a New York defense lawyer who has been involved in more than a thousand steroid cases and is the author of the steroid-law handbook Legal Muscle. Collins says that stigmatizing steroids has exposed illicit users to greater risks. "One question is whether those potential health problems are made worse by the 1990 law," he says. "The answer is a resounding yes." Since the federal and state crackdown on steroids, most users no longer get their supply from doctors, as many old-school bodybuilders like Schwarzenegger did. "Instead of being screened and monitored and being checked for bad effects," says Collins, "basically users either get [steroids] from Internet Web sites or from Big Louie in the back of the gym."

What really remains to be seen is the long-term effects of steroids on one's political fitness. So far, the only available case study is that of wrestler-turned-Reform-Party maverick Jesse "The Body" Ventura. In his 1999 autobiography, released two months after his election as Minnesota governor, Ventura admitted that he'd taken testosterone during his previous career as a boa-wearing bad guy. The disclosure had little impact on his political career -- the implosion of which appears to have been triggered by his abnormally pumped-up ego, and temper.

So should Californians care that Schwarzenegger has taken steroids? Schwarzenegger rep Hanretty emphasizes that he'd prefer to focus on weightier subjects, like the economy. "These are the issues that matter most to Californians," she says.


Phillips, of AnabolicBeast.com, is adamant that steroids shouldn't be a political issue. "If one can become the president and have DUIs, then I certainly hope and pray that Arnold's past steroid use wouldn't be, or shouldn't be, an issue. Especially since he used it during a time when it was legal."

Similarly, researcher Yesalis finds scrutiny of Schwarzenegger's steroid use "disingenuous" given the lifestyle choices of other political figures. "What do I think of him as a role model? I don't think he's a terribly good one, but I was about a hundred times more offended by Bill Clinton," he says, suggesting that Clinton's hormone problem was on a different moral scale than Schwarzenegger's. If the media is going to examine Schwarzenegger's health, he suggests putting his recall rivals under the same microscope. "The leading cause of death is heart attack and strokes," he says. "Let's look at [Lt. Gov. Cruz] Bustamante. He looks like he's eating a lot. He looks like he's more than 30 pounds overweight -- that's obese."

However, comparing the roly-poly Bustamante with the Austrian Oak is a bit like comparing apples and orange Gatorade. Bustamante's body says little about who he is or what he stands for. But Schwarzenegger's body represents who he is, everything he's achieved: If he didn't have a great physique, would we even know who he is? Probably not. Anabolic steroids may or may not have affected Schwarzenegger's health or his suitability to be an elected official. But it's not too much of a stretch to say that he is still experiencing their effects. Look no further than his newfound political muscle.


salon.com

 

[Rick Collins]

By the way, I also told the reporter that, in regards to what appears to have been Schwarzenegger's legal use of anabolic steroids, I was more concerned about past presidents who might have used cocaine and been arrested for drunk driving, or even those who have smoked marijuana regardless of whether they inhaled!

He didn't print any of that, of course, because he had already decided the accusatory angle of the story.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

By the way, I also told the reporter that, in regards to what appears to have been Schwarzenegger's legal use of anabolic steroids, I was more concerned about past presidents who might have used cocaine and been arrested for drunk driving, or even those who have smoked marijuana regardless of whether they inhaled!

He didn't print any of that, of course, because he had already decided the accusatory angle of the story.

Those sly media bastards.....I hope someday they will take the facts and not the B.S.....but I'm honored that we have guys like you Rick watching out for our freedoms

 

[ROID WARRIOR]

Originally posted by Rick Collins
By the way, I also told the reporter that, in regards to what appears to have been Schwarzenegger's legal use of anabolic steroids, I was more concerned about past presidents who might have used cocaine and been arrested for drunk driving, or even those who have smoked marijuana regardless of whether they inhaled!

He didn't print any of that, of course, because he had already decided the accusatory angle of the story.
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The only problem with that statement is that we know that Arnold also smoked pot. He wasn't very discete either, he blew a bone right on camera after winning the Olympia.


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[Rick Collins]

Yes, and it's also hard to criticize Clinton's boorish womanizing given Arnold's apparent penchant for gropery.

 

[manny78]

You can see how dirty politic is.

 

[Rick Collins]

Frankly, I can't see why anyone would subject him/herself to the merciless mudslinging and skeleton exhumation that accompanies today's American politics. Is it this bad in Canada?

 

[manny78]

Frankly, I can't see why anyone would subject him/herself to the merciless mudslinging and skeleton exhumation that accompanies today's American politics. Is it this bad in Canada?

Bad yes, but not at this point. You dont see a line-up of women complaining of sexual assault or whatever else, 4 days before the D-Day. Usually, scandals are kept on the financial level. Pierre Elliot Trudeau had his wood sucked by Barbara Streisand for more than 10 years while being married, and no one even cared about that...

 

[ROID WARRIOR]

"Yes, and it's also hard to criticize Clinton's boorish womanizing given Arnold's apparent penchant for gropery."


Was anyone critcizing clinton in this thread? It was about past illegal drug use, both AAS and so-called recreational drugs, and Arnold has done his share.

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