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"Scholarly Misconduct" by Anti-Gunner

Weapon X

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Ever heard of Michael Bellesiles? He's a historian at Emory University in Atlanta. He's also the author of "Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture." His book received the Bancroft Prize, the most prestigious award in the writing of American history.

The gist of Bellesiles' book is that "America's gun culture is an invented tradition." He says guns were far less important to early American culture than is commonly believed. He backs this claim up with historical records.

Trouble is, as the Boston Globe and National Review point out, Bellesiles' sources are a little fishy. Some of the most important statements Bellesiles makes in his book are based on data that just don't exist.

What data, you ask? National Review's Melissa Seckora has a prime example. Bellesiles claims that he counted guns in probate records of the estates of people who died between 1849 and 1850, and between 1858 and 1859 in San Francisco. But everybody knows that those records don't exist anymore--because they were destroyed in the 1906 earthquake and fire that ravaged San Francisco.

Now there's been some movement in this case. The head of Emory University's history department has demanded that Bellesiles write a detailed defense of his book! James Melton said, "What is important is that he defend himself and the integrity of his scholarship immediately.

Depending on his response, the university will respond appropriately. If there is prima facie evidence of scholarly misconduct, the university has to conduct a thorough investigation. Whether it be a purely internal inquiry, or the university brings in distinguished scholars in the field, will depend on how Michael responds."

Bellesiles promises that he will publish his defense of his work in a future newsletter of the Organization of American Historians.

How about that, folks? I must say that I’m impressed. Emory University, a true leftist haven, has won back some of my respect for demanding accountability from an obviously anti-gun leftist historian.

I’m sure they’re thrilled.

(Original story sources)
http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nr100401.shtml
http://www.nationalreview.com/15oct01/seckora101501.shtml



Taken from Neal Boortz's site: http://www.boortz.com/nealznuz.htm
 
I think my next gun is going to be a shotgun. :D Maybe a nice Mossberg home defense type model. Nothing says fun like water jugs exploding after being hit with some big ass slugs.
 
Weapon X said:
My Mossberg has been nothing but fun.
Urban assault model snubby w/pistol grip! :D

How much did you pay for that? And where did you get it?

All I have now is an SKS. The laws are so sketchy about it that I don't like to shoot it. Plus, it's kind of expensive to put bullets through since you go through them so fast.

Got a picture of your deck sweeper?
 
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Except mine has the pistol grip. Bought it here in Seattle.
I believe I paid around $150 - $200 about a year ago. It's purty. ;)
 
pistol grip on the pump or the stock?

I've never been around shotguns, so I'm new to them. My experience is with pistols and full autos.

What's your effective range with that as far as accuracy is concerned?
 
Pistol grip on the stock, though you can also buy one for the pump. I prefer the standard pump, though.
I also did buy a standard stock for it, used, so that Mrs. Weapon could handle it if the need arose. I don't want her breaking her delicate wrists.

Range, I'm not sure. I only really use it at short range, as that's all I anticipate using it at. Plus, it's a hell of an intimidator in person.

Last time I fired full auto I was still military. It would be cool to be a buy a nice pre-ban auto, tho.

I still wanna buy an AR, when the stock market returns.
 
It's been a while since I've shot full auto too. They wouldn't let us in the Air Force. All my experience was with my dad. He was a collector and had quite a few: Mac-11, Thompson (a helluva kick), AK-22 (AK-47 converted to shoot .22), 2 H&K MP5s (1 legally silenced or so he said:D). Maybe a couple more that I didn't get to shoot. He was buying a lot of them before the ban as investments.

I LOVED shooting the MP5. Such a fun gun.
 
Shit, we got to fire our M16s full auto in teh Army (never had a chance to work with the M16A1), and the barrles would turn White hot! Got a nice burn in BASIC off the barrel once! :D
Also, on field exercises, we'd get to fire thousands of blanks the whole time we were out there.

My shotgun is part of Mossberg's Maverick line - the Model 88 Security.
Looking at the Kel-Tecs for pure carry functionality, also.
 
Weapon X said:
My shotgun is part of Mossberg's Maverick line - the Model 88 Security.
Looking at the Kel-Tecs for pure carry functionality, also.

FUNNY! The one link I didn't click!
 
frorider6 said:
Are folding stocks legal on shotguns? I know the barrel has to be 18".
Folding stocks are sold here in Washington, so I guess they are legal here. You'd hafta look at your local laws, though.
Politicians don't even know how to define firearms, judging by the bevy of conflicting laws on the books from state to state.
They are trying to outlaw subcompacts now.
 
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