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SARMS only - questions regarding a first cycle

SemiNatty

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Hello!

I have been reading a lot about steroids, but figured that at my age of 22, I am not willing to potentially rely on TRT yet (I will most likely be on TRT at the age of 35-40 when my natural level drops a significant amount).

Now, I have been training my whole life, but for bodybuilding purposes, I have been training for 3 years or so. Last 2 years with a very good structure in regards to training and food intake.

My current stats are as follow:

Height: 172 cm
Weight: 77kg
BF%: 12

My stats are correct and not tampered with :P

I have a principle that I will not touch steroids or other muscle building medications before I am 24, and before my progress stalls SIGNIFICANTLY (aka, close to natural limit).

But I also want to get as much information as I can, so that I will eventually be ready for it if I decide to do it.

Now, what has really gotten my attention is SARMS. Theoretically they seem too good to be true, in regards to the effects and side effects ratio.

For example Ostarine. As far as I have read, a dose of 25mg over 4-6 weeks will not cause any suppression of testosterone AT ALL(?) AND it will not target any receptors outside of skeletal muscle (is it correct that it will not affect the heart muscle as well?)

So as far as for Ostarine, there is actually NO side effects at all. Please correct me here if I'm wrong.

Then there is Cardarine. The first time I read about this, it was stated that it was a cause of cancer. However, reading further it was shown that the dosages the rats were exposed to was just a ridicilous high amount, and had no place in a scientific study.

It also seems to increase cardiovascular endurance by a lot, promote fat loss and better pumps at the gym. As far as I have read, there isn't much side effects.

I'm not willing to try S-4 simply because of the vision side effects. There isn't much information how this vision side effect can be in the long term, and I'm also going to use melanotan 2 which can have negative effects on vision in HIGH doses. I don't want to risk using S-4 if the vision side effects are synergically if using melanotan 2.

So really my question is, what would be a optimal SARM cycle if I want to get lean gains, without suppressing my own testosterone production, and avoid most side effects. I don't care if the gains are slow and obviously not as good as if I were to take steroids.

Naturals can't look full at a 6-7 bodyfat%, can using only SARMS give you a fuller look?

Also I want to avoid a PCT (because I don't want to suppress my own production in the first place), so will say using BOTH Ostarine and Cardanine together, further suppress my production?

Also, if SARMS are so good, why are they not more popular?

Thanks for answers :)
 
I want to congratulate you on making the right choice; not jumping into AAS this early is the right course of action.

Here is a good SARMS cycle for you:
Week 1-8:
20mgs Cardarine/ED (10mgs AM/10mgs preworkout) - S1
50mgs Ostarine (MK)/ED (25mgs AM/25mgs preworkout) -S1
HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 caps preworkout - n2bm
N2Guard 1 cap AM/1 post workout - n2bm

cycle notes:
*on non-training days take the sarms AM/PM
*you can run this cycle for 12 weeks if you want maximum results

MINI-pct:
Clomid 25/25/12.5
HCGenerate ES 5/3/2
N2Guard 3/2/1

pct notes: __/__ dosage per day mg or cap depending on product.

Research material:
GW-501516 Facts - Evolutionary.org
Ostarine (MK-2866) - Evolutionary.org
N2Guard - Evolutionary.org
HCGenerate ES - Evolutionary.org
 
Hello!

I have been reading a lot about steroids, but figured that at my age of 22, I am not willing to potentially rely on TRT yet (I will most likely be on TRT at the age of 35-40 when my natural level drops a significant amount).

Now, I have been training my whole life, but for bodybuilding purposes, I have been training for 3 years or so. Last 2 years with a very good structure in regards to training and food intake.

My current stats are as follow:

Height: 172 cm
Weight: 77kg
BF%: 12

My stats are correct and not tampered with :P

I have a principle that I will not touch steroids or other muscle building medications before I am 24, and before my progress stalls SIGNIFICANTLY (aka, close to natural limit).

But I also want to get as much information as I can, so that I will eventually be ready for it if I decide to do it.

Now, what has really gotten my attention is SARMS. Theoretically they seem too good to be true, in regards to the effects and side effects ratio.

For example Ostarine. As far as I have read, a dose of 25mg over 4-6 weeks will not cause any suppression of testosterone AT ALL(?) AND it will not target any receptors outside of skeletal muscle (is it correct that it will not affect the heart muscle as well?)

So as far as for Ostarine, there is actually NO side effects at all. Please correct me here if I'm wrong.

Then there is Cardarine. The first time I read about this, it was stated that it was a cause of cancer. However, reading further it was shown that the dosages the rats were exposed to was just a ridicilous high amount, and had no place in a scientific study.

It also seems to increase cardiovascular endurance by a lot, promote fat loss and better pumps at the gym. As far as I have read, there isn't much side effects.

I'm not willing to try S-4 simply because of the vision side effects. There isn't much information how this vision side effect can be in the long term, and I'm also going to use melanotan 2 which can have negative effects on vision in HIGH doses. I don't want to risk using S-4 if the vision side effects are synergically if using melanotan 2.

So really my question is, what would be a optimal SARM cycle if I want to get lean gains, without suppressing my own testosterone production, and avoid most side effects. I don't care if the gains are slow and obviously not as good as if I were to take steroids.

Naturals can't look full at a 6-7 bodyfat%, can using only SARMS give you a fuller look?

Also I want to avoid a PCT (because I don't want to suppress my own production in the first place), so will say using BOTH Ostarine and Cardanine together, further suppress my production?

Also, if SARMS are so good, why are they not more popular?

Thanks for answers :)


first, they are extremely popular and prevalently used all over the bodybuilding community... you are very mistaken on that statement...

i have written countless articles as well as videos on sarms that you can read and watch for days... i spent all this time for everyone to have everything at their fingertips to learn

start here Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

if you have further questions, let me know...

i will also be happy to set you up a very nice starting cycle...
 
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