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[junk]

Bros I need your help here. Unless you wanna see a fellow bro in very bad condition give a hand.

I've abused eca and clen lately and stopped taking it about a week ago when I saw the doses I need to get are rediciously high, that's when I stopped and undestood it's time for a time off this shit. I wanted to complete the diet to shed off another pounds of two of fat but it HIT ME and ruined my diet.

Im absolutly sure both eca and clen t messed up both my mind and mental condition taken for high doses together. So when I stopped them I have these symtops:

1. ---- >FEEL VERY DEPRESSED
2. ----> FEEL SLEEPY ALL THE TIME
3.-----> HAVE INSANE CRAVINGS (MAINLY BUT NOT ONLY FOR CHOCOLATE... OUT OF THIS WORLD CRAVINGS)

(Did you get the emphesizes of these points enough? They are extreme! )

I've already ordered P7 from AF store, but it will take time to get down here (I'm from Europe). So in the mean time I was thinking of the following combo:

6 caps of ST John's Wort
3 caps of Kava Kava
3 grams of L-Tyrosin
Inositol (donno doage)
Tryptophan (dunno if I can get it in my country)

5 grams of L-glutamine (helps fight cravings)

Question is: Can they all work together? Or can there be a problem? I know that St. John Wort is considered an IMAO inhibitor and is NO NO NO with a lot of medications, but can I take it with the L-Tyrosin?

And also, when I get the P7 can I still take all these supplements?

I'm in really bad condition.. Hard to stress it fully by typing. but
you get the idea

 

[genarr3]

I think you should stop taking pills period. You post looks like you're just going to substitute on set of drugs for another. The way I see it you need to learn not to look for a pill to solve your problems. This is just my opinion.

 

[junk]

thanks Genarr but that's not helpful. I usually don't take pills (except eca/clen and of course some nice dbols when on cycle )

but this is different. It's an organic problem caused my the Clens and Ecas, that takes a hold of me (it's not me anymore..)

Other guys & gals can you try to help me please?

 

[Zyglamail]

but this is different. It's an organic problem caused my the Clens and Ecas, that takes a hold of me (it's not me anymore..)

Other guys & gals can you try to help me please?

Personally I think its a mental problem and you are obsessed and looking for a magic pill to help with your lack of control over your diet. Sorry to say but I agree with genarr3. Lay off the pills, take some simple multi vitamins, eat good foods and let your system get back to normal.

 

[Wrongun]

Dude, your going crazy!

You are starting to panic!

Go see your doctor!

Good advise IMHO

Wrongun!

 

[junk]

Zyg. of course depression is a mental problem. I take you as a guro (and love the little whites L and A .. You know.. )
, but the answer you gave is not typical to you....
I am in serious depression and the diet is out of control beyond my mental controllnes. I've read about those good supplements that may help you you restore what apparently the eca and clen abuse may have made to dopamines, serotonin and leptin levels. Ya now. When these horomones and neurotransmitters get messed up, it's easy to say: "Get over it" But in reallity that doesn't quite work. These neuro shit may be stronger then willpower.

Can you PLEASE help me with the supplements? Others ??? And yes I panic I have a good reason to.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Zyg. of course depression is a mental problem. I take you as a guro (and love the little whites L and A .. You know.. )
, but the answer you gave is not typical to you....
I am in serious depression and the diet is out of control beyond my mental controllnes. I've read about those good supplements that may help you you restore what apparently the eca and clen abuse may have made to dopamines, serotonin and leptin levels. Ya now. When these horomones and neurotransmitters get messed up, it's easy to say: "Get over it" But in reallity that doesn't quite work. These neuro shit may be stronger then willpower.

Can you PLEASE help me with the supplements? Others ??? And yes I panic I have a good reason to.

If you're so concerned about your neurotransmitters..go to your doctor and have blood tests run. There is nothing anyone here can do for you.

My advice...take genarr and iceman's advice and stop the pills and go see a doctor.

 

[Lift Chief]

Zyg. of course depression is a mental problem. I take you as a guro (and love the little whites L and A .. You know.. )
, but the answer you gave is not typical to you....
I am in serious depression and the diet is out of control beyond my mental controllnes. I've read about those good supplements that may help you you restore what apparently the eca and clen abuse may have made to dopamines, serotonin and leptin levels. Ya now. When these horomones and neurotransmitters get messed up, it's easy to say: "Get over it" But in reallity that doesn't quite work. These neuro shit may be stronger then willpower.

Can you PLEASE help me with the supplements? Others ??? And yes I panic I have a good reason to.

I agree with what everyone else is saying.

You should try to work this out without any more supplements. Let your system regulate on it's own instead of just taking more pills as a bandaid to the problem...

If you are unable to do this go see your doctor!

 

[Stillgoing]

Junk - you neglected to mention, as highlighted on your recent diet post - you also have major diet issues going on right now. ie - you are taking in way too few calories and doing too much cardio. That is absolutely contributing to the issues you mentioned. So, I'll say it again, you need to start eating more calories and maybe take some time off the diet. That will help get your head back in order....

 

[Zyglamail]

Zyg. of course depression is a mental problem. I take you as a guro (and love the little whites L and A .. You know.. )
, but the answer you gave is not typical to you....
I am in serious depression and the diet is out of control beyond my mental controllnes. I've read about those good supplements that may help you you restore what apparently the eca and clen abuse may have made to dopamines, serotonin and leptin levels. Ya now. When these horomones and neurotransmitters get messed up, it's easy to say: "Get over it" But in reallity that doesn't quite work. These neuro shit may be stronger then willpower.

Can you PLEASE help me with the supplements? Others ??? And yes I panic I have a good reason to.

My comments wrent "get over it" my comments were lay off the pills and let your system normalize. Once normalized you will be in a better position to asses what is going on, as it sits your simply trying to dump pills on top of pills looking for a quick fix but I hate to tell ya there is no quick fix. If your in as rough a shape as you sound, then let your system normalize and seek professional help.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Careful with the kava. It is liver toxic in doses high enough to feel anything from it, and it's banned in many european countries for just that reason.

In response to the other posts, some of the supplements he's considering taking would be beneficial in helping him get away from ECA. On the other hand there is willpower involved and those pills aren't going to be the answer, only an aid.

 

[genarr3]

Junk - you neglected to mention, as highlighted on your recent diet post - you also have major diet issues going on right now. ie - you are taking in way too few calories and doing too much cardio. That is absolutely contributing to the issues you mentioned. So, I'll say it again, you need to start eating more calories and maybe take some time off the diet. That will help get your head back in order....

Good advice. Give the diet a break. Get your system functioning on it's own. Diet naturally and slowly. I know this isn't what you want to hear but it's the only thing that's going to get your head straight.
I'm not speaking from on top of a mountain here, I've been through this myself. Not diet exactly, but depression, and looking for pills to fix it. It seems to make things better for awhile, but ultimately they make things much much worse.
Think of the pills as a finger holding a dam back. The water pressure builds and sooner or later the fingers not going to be enough, then the floodgates open. Then things get real bad. You're going to go through a tough time sooner or later, it's just going to be much worse later.
Now this is just what worked for me. I'm no doctor. You certainly sound like you should see one. But I'd make a bet he'll likely tell you the same thing.

 

[georgie24]

LAY OFF THE STIM'S, STOP DIETING FOR A FEW WEEKS, JUST CHILL AND WATCH A MOVIE

 

[Sinistar]

eat the chocolates. it may help, in all seriousness.

 

[Seth28]

I agree with you to keep the Tyrosine coming in and other amino acids as your abuse of the stims can really lower you stores. If you feel that crazy though you should taper down, ever see someone addicted to large amounts of coffee try to stop- they get migraines. So a taper for at least a couple weeks may help out alot.