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RyanH,Warik, and others interested in discussion.

HS Lifter*

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Should Parents of students who are truant(three or more unexcused absences-period absences or all day absences) be held legally liable?

Should the law hold parents accontable for their child's absences? Why or why not?

What are the advantages or disadvantages?

The way I see it, its the parent's responcibilty to make sure their kid gets to school, if they student for example attendes school 2 or 3 times a week, I think the parent should be responcilble.

But I also think that once they student is in school, the responcibility shifts from the parent to the school.

What do you guys think?
 
Well maybe they should since the first education kids get comes from their parents but what if they miss school and parents have no clue ? I mean thats what I did during my high school and even today they still believe I was a good kid back then....
 
No.

In many cases, it is due to blatant parent irresponsibility, but in some cases, the parents have no control over what happens. My sister knows students whose parents drop them off at school and the kids just take off at lunch with their friends... or they leave once the parents turn the corner. Students who ride bus or bike are gone even faster. There's no way for the parents to know that their children are at school, so why should they be held legally responsible?

I slept every day in my senior year of high school (note: I graduated in the top 3% anyway so refrain from talking shit :)), so I was kind of "absent" the entire year. Should my parents be held liable?

Why not hold schools liable for students who can't pass a math test?

-Warik
 
Keep the responces coming.

Just so you guys know, Im in Mock Trial at school and I will have to address this question on Tuesday at the local courthouse in front of my advisors, and 2 attorneys.

So I am open minded.
 
No.

During my freshman year, a lot of really terrible shit was going on with my family, and my newly-single mom was having a hard enough time making enough money to support us and dealing with a manic-depressive madman (not my dad).

It was my own fault for being a jackass and skipping classes...I got paid back by getting a shit education from the alternative school I espcaped to.

Besides, once you're 16, you're legally able to drop out anyway.
 
In order to hold someone responsible for the actions of another, you must give them the tools to enforce their teaching/training, (i.e. the ability to punish) This is, of course reliant on the belief that the justice system, including the principle of deterrence works.
If the schools do not have the ability to punish children who do not conform, then how can you hold them responsible? And what criteria would you use to establish failure in school? Like Warik said, many of us were frequently truant or "out to lunch" but finished at the top of our classes. The problem is in the false assumption that truancy leads to failure in school when this is clearly not the case.

Also, remember what happens when you put too tight a leash on anybody, let alone children...they tend to rebel against the very thing you're trying to achieve (RyanH for example-no insult intended).

Just my .02
 
No.

It is none of the state's business how a parent choses to raise their child, except in cases of abuse. If the child is not being abused then the state should fuck off.

The public school system here is a disgrace which often does more harm than good.
 
Ok.

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the parents are not responcible.

Ok im now waiting for Ryan to chime in so we can get a nice lil' debate going.

:)
 
HS Lifter* said:
Keep the responces coming.

Just so you guys know, Im in Mock Trial at school and I will have to address this question on Tuesday at the local courthouse in front of my advisors, and 2 attorneys.

So I am open minded.

Interesting question, HS Lifter, I'm in my final year of law school, so I can relate to your excitement about your upcoming mock trial.

Now, your question: Under the Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the right to control the upbringing of your children as a constitutional right. Of course, there are exceptions when a parent will lose his or her unqualified right to lose the upbringing of their children, such as in the case of abuse or neglect.

Thus, from a fairness standpoint, if a parent has an unqualified, absolute right to direct the upbringing of his or her child, isn't it only logical that the parent should be held somewhat responsible for a "botched" job in bring up his or her children?

Let's discuss the policy implications of holding parents accountable, for the sake of argument. First, if parents are held accountable, will the state's goal of reducing truancy be advanced? I would guess, although, I haven't seen any statistical information on this question, that if a parent is held legally liable for the truancy of her child-----that parent will make sure that kid gets to school, one way or another. Thus, the state's goal of reducing truancy would likely be advanced.

But, another question that must naturally follow, is whether the workplace would accomodate parents with this new legal obligation. Currently, there is the Family Leave Act, signed into law by President Clinton, that allows parents to leave work in some instances if family matters are involved. Unfortunately, the time a parent can take off from work, is limited. Thus, it might be an unfair demand upon say single mothers to require that she ensure every single day that her child make it to school, considering she doesn't have a partner in helping her fulfill her obligation, nor does she have the law in helping her to fulfill her obligation, all year long.

Therefore, while I do believe that holding parents legally liable for their children's truancy might be effective; I also believe that it could create economic/job related hardships on some parents, such as single parents. Hence, until there are more laws that assist parents in giving them time off from work to see that their children make it to school, I would not endorse such a law.

But, please note, that I do strongly feel that since a parent has a constitutional right to the upbringing of his or her child, she should bare some of the responsibility for doing a less than quality job. You can't have it both ways-----if you want the state to stay out of your business in raising a child, then you should do a helluva job. If you don't, then the state should have every right to step into the parent/child relationship, and use its wisdom to show you how to raise a child properly.

Interesting issue, nevertheless......

Ryan.
 
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RyanH said:


If you don't, then the state should have every right to step into the parent/child relationship, and use its wisdom to show you how to raise a child properly.


The phrase "its wisdom" in reference to the state troubles me.
 
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