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FlexManning

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No offense intended, only an observation, but why do so many people nitpick over
stacks? Many old time bodybuilders built their bodies with a few d-bol a day and
we're always in here like "shouldn't I kick in that Primo on week 3 then get some
winny to inect at 3:30 on Wednesday and then get some Anavar and take it on
Tuesdays at 10, 2 and 4?". People come in here and ask what they should
take for a first stack. Hasn't anybody ever heard of d-bol and deca? Duchaine
always said that if you can't grow off that then you won't grow off anything
fancy. And as far as all these cutting stacks, these so called drugs are used
by people who want to compete because they feel that they might retain
slightly less water. That really isn't a big concern if you're not planning on
putting on the posing trunks.
 
This is true. Muscle gained from different aas is the same.

"stacking" can be beneficial if you are using something like deca. You might want to add some winstrol to block PR's and make more deca available to ARs. Or, adding an oral in the beginning of a cycle until the longer esters reach theraputic level.

I know guys talk about a type I and type II steroids, however, muscle growth outside the AR from aas is far from measurable.


Andy
 
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I think it's a matter of the difference in the amt. of info that's available today...but I do agree in the fact that sometimes...simpler is better. Can never have too much knowledge though

Later
Power:redhot:
 
Alot of my friends have the same attitude as you. One of them just got done doing a d-bol only cycle. I asked him what dosages he took, and you know what he told me?

"I took one the first week, then two the second week, and so on."

I said "one what?"

He said "one pill"

I asked him how many milligrams a day? He had no fucking idea!! I asked him why he took "one the first week, etc..."

He told me "cuz the guy told me to" I said "what fuckin guy??" He said "the guy who sold em to me."
He didn't even know the guys name who sold him the d-bol!!

I asked if he was taking anything for his liver or any other supplements, like clomid. He never heard of clomid either.
It's been about 2 months now and he already lost what he gained from the d-bol.

This shit pisses me off, now a bunch of my other friends want to do steroids and they're all gonna do the same thing. You know why? Cuz they don't know any better!

So I told this kid next time he wants to do a cycle to come to me and I'll set him up with a nice thorough cycle with all the necessary protection for his liver and such! As I will tell all my friends who want to do a cycle, and I'll charge em all up the ass, so I can have a free cycle, and maybe make some money while I'm at it!

And you know where I'm gonna come to ask questions about their cycles? RIGHT HERE!

Little do they know that all they gotta do is a little research and they could have all the info that I have! They think I'm some sort of steroid freak cuz I know all this shit!

With all the info out there these days, you think someone would know how to do a proper cycle for their goals. Not everyone kas the same goals, some want to get huge, others ripped. So in conclusion I don't agree with the statement "roids is roids"!

And not everyone wants to get ripped to pose in competition. Some want to "pose" at the beach, or in front of the mirror to feel better about themselves. So don't make such absurd generalizations!

Anyways I'm done ranting and raving like a psycho, sorry bros! Thanks for listening, just had to get it off my chest!

B-10
 
Different AS for different purposes. You wouldn't want to take d-bol if you wnted to cut fat and retain muscle, and you wouldn't go on a winny only cycle if you wanted to gain 30 lbs in the off season.
 
No offense intended, only an observation, but why do so many people nitpick overNo offense intended, only an observation, but why do so many people nitpick over stacks?
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Knowledge, creates evolution, the more we learn about our bodies and how they work the more we can customize "stacks" to produce better results.....The old school guys got huge but many of them also destroyed their bodies in the process, Not to take anything away from them because without their sacrifices we would still be making a lot of the mistakes they did.
 
Getting knowledgable about potentially harmful drugs is a good thing....

However, I feel FlexManning has a point regarding dosages.. They have fucking risen to all time high's as far as I can see.. what the fuck is going on? Why is everyone so intent on letting the drugs do most of the work? Whatever happened to a good balance between sensible cycles and natural?
 
roids is roids,

you know this isn't true.
Also the mean reason for stacking is for the different result roids give, and to have less sides. On a D-bol only cycle it will be very difficult to keep the gains, expecially with the tons of water this gives, together with fat.
Also some roids are well know for keeping the gains. So finishing with Primo (the number one gain keeper) or Winny, or Ox to name the most important keepers is a good idea. Those roids help loosing the water and the fat to a certain degree.
Still to know what a specific roid does to your body one has to take it alone.
 
Christ you try to make a positive statement like don't worry so much about getting
the "ultimate stack" 'cause you'll grow anyway if you're training and eating right with
good anabolics and you get flamed. You should know that many people more knowledgeable
than 99 percent of the people on here have made the same types of statements, people
like William Llewelyn who wrote Anabolics 2000, and people on the Anabolicextreme website.
To the people who suggest that I haven't read up enough on stacking I suggest that YOU
haven't as you seem to be promoting advice that would be given to a mid-level
1980's competitor. As I said, Duchaine recommended d-bol and deca for beginners
but I know, I know, everybody who flamed me is much more knowledgeable than
the most famous steroid guru who ever lived. I too, think those types of stacks are
best for beginners. Or, whatever you can get ahold of within reason, you will still
grow. Maybe you're screwing some lady vetrinarian and you can get EQ. Whatever.
I strongly suggest though that everybody start checking out the very latest statements
from those in the know. Did you know that several magazines have weekly question
and answer segments with steroid authorities? How about visiting www.Anabolicextreme.com[url] Differ... difference between 50mg dbol and 100mg A-50.
 
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Let me spell it out for you with a hypothetical example:

Joe Schmoe spends less than 1000 bucks and comes up with
this cycle:
200 dbol
2000 mg deca
2000 mg test
and spreads it out over whatever length of time.

Jimmy Bob spends 5000 plus because he researched this
message board and he uses drugs like Winnie, Anavar, Primo, GH, etc.

Who will be happier with their gains?
Will Joe Schmoe's cycle cause major side effects? I doubt it. I don't have
time to explain it here but Set Point Theory says water weight gain can be
good for lasting gains if applied properly.
Why did Jimmy Bob spend all that money for mild to moderate gains
when he could have put a down payment on a Corvette?
 
My best cycle ever for me involved no less than changing the drugs and drug combinations 8 times (that does not include changing dosages, adding clomid, HCG, and clen mid-cycle) in a 10 week period. And everything went perfectly for me. I made the particular cycle up myself, but most of it was based on reading what others have done, which triggered ideas for me for that cycle. I also get ideas on what to avoid. Plus, I work behind a desk and get bored occasionally. So I go to this site and like to BS with the other juicers. Sometimes its the most useless info. I get the biggest kick out of. I'm not gonna say you don't have a point, but if you don't want to read it, skip it. Personally, I like to read all the smart and dumb advice given on this board.
 
I like reading the advice but people are getting their information from
each other on here and it's getting recycled with additional statements tagged
on. It's like a rumor in high school where some girl kisses a guy and
by the time it gets back around to the girl she gave him a blow. Only
the difference is that the first guy who promoted the idea on here gets
his altered info back and recycles it none the wiser, with a little more added on.
People hurt this site when the don't keep their ears open to new information
and adhere only to advice given on here. Nobody ever gives references.
That's my advice for now. There should be an unspoken rule on here
that if you're going to make post after post on here you should at least
occasionally make reference to a source who isn't from this board. Something
like "Hey I was reading in Anabolics 2000....l." or "Remember when Duchaine used to
say...." Just once in awhile, you know. It doesn't have to be formal.
 
Yeah, that could be it. But it wasn't meant to be a putdown. I just meant that
newer steroid authorities are coming back to the idea that you can grow
just fine on the basics. I read constantly grasping at every article I can get ahold
of. Then I process that information and try to post some of it on here. But
if anybody hears different from some guy with an insanely high number of
posts then you are blackballed immediately.
 
I think that quoting Dan Duchaine, whom I find to be an interesting and somewhat pioneering figure, to be- in many instances- less than wise.

Lets take into account that Dan Duchaine introduced NUBAIN to the bodybuilding community and that he got calf implants for his girlfriend in MEXICO, which subsequently had to be amputated.

Dan was a Crash and Burn Guru, he made some strides forward but there were costs because he often failed to look before he leaped. Though I found a lot of his work interesting, inspiring even, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

On a lighter note:
Anyone who thinks that it would be difficult to tell the difference between 50mg of Dbol and 100mg Anadrol- really needs to re- think the use of anabolic steroids.
 
I am a novice also as you can tell from only 100+ posts and 2 months of being registered with this board. But I have been researching and reading about roids every day for the last 6 months, 30 minutes to 4 hours a day! I have 50 web addy's bookmarked that I constantly refer to. I am just finishing my first cycle, winny and test for 8 weeks. A simple stack for a beginner.

Although I believe simplicity is the best way to begin, "roids are not roids". I plan on using roids for a LONG TIME. I do not compete or care to be huge, I just want to look good. I have chosen to start simple only to keep the cost down and most importantly to know how each roid effects me personally. Roids are different and each one works different for every user. This is what I have learned from this board and others. My suggestion to you is to keep reading and reading and reading, not just from one person but everybody who has used roids, even the dummies. We are all lab rats once we stick the needle in so we all can contribute to the future of roid use. Just a novice's 2 cents
 
Let me throw a wild idea at you and see what you think. You could use
A-50 for diets. Sounds crazy right? Why? It's powerful and the nasty effects
will suppress your appetite all the more. I always wondered why people
who couldn't afford so called cutting stacks didn't use so called bulking drugs
for dieting. I mean you'd retain more water of course, but common sense
tells you that you'd retain more mass too. Then I pick up a magazine and
read where William Llewellyn or some guy like that is saying the same thing.
He's saying, the water retention is no big deal if you're not trying to peak for
a 3 hour period like an Olympia competitor, the drugs are cheaper, and
actually more powerful. Keep in mind that many pros use so called "bulking"
drugs until the last possible minute. Then they switch to the lighter stuff.
If you're using anti-estrogens you can do that. Don't you know that pros
often use suspension on diets? And with cytomel, nolvadex, and arimidex they
can use just about anything up until a week or so from the contest.
 
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Anyone who thinks that it would be difficult to tell the difference between 50mg of Dbol and 100mg Anadrol- really needs to re- think the use of anabolic steroids.
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That is an understatement, Let's make an analogy....Let's say you have a stock mustang, that would be D-bol...then you put a supercharger and sport headers on that mustang, they are both similar but one has a HELL of a lot more horsepower.........
 
Yeah, jump on the mods stick buddy. You really think if you blindfolded a guy and
told him you were going to give him either 50 mg d-bol or 100mg anadrol he could
tell you which he was given after a week or two? He'd guess right slightly more than
50 percent of the time. That's the whole point. I can tell you only read the short
posts. How about reading the long post and if you think I'm full of shit I'll post
the whole article.
 
I guess I'm really talking about more about the article which talks about using
A-50 for dieting as well as other articles which somewhat dismiss the idea of
"cutting" cycles for the average Joe. Of course nobody has ever been blindfolded
and given d-bol. But I'm sure I can dig up many additional things to prove my point.
I guarantee that I will be posting articles as soon as I go home and find them.
However, if I posted an article by Jesus Christ himself someone would say, yeah
he was a great man but he was wrong about growth hormone. Like people
on here say about Duchaine.
 
First off don't tell me I'm jumping on anybody's "stick" DICKHEAD. Mod or not, I will disagree with anyone who I think has misinformation.

Secondly, maybe a novice who has not done cycles of Anadrol or D-bol at least 2 times each would not know, but almost anyone who has, would know what they were taking by the first day or two. And it doesn't matter if I read the short post, the long post, the long short long post, you keep babbling the same thing over and over again, trying to make a new more idiotic point each time?

if I posted an article by Jesus Christ himself someone would say, yeah he was a great man but he was wrong about growth hormone
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Probably because you come off like a know it all prick and people are compelled to prove you wrong? Maybe?? just a thought of mine........WHAT'S NEXT??:bawling:
 
You sound like a ten year old you little pissant.
If I have misinformation you show me just one source asshole. Just
fucking one. You list one article, one interview, one study, one magazine,
one anything. Until then don't think you know shit because you read
a message board. Read every magazine and every new piece of information
concerning steroids for 4 years like I have and then tell me I'm wrong.
Why don't you read articles by Dharkham, Duchaine, Borreson, LLewellyn, and
the guys on anabolicextreme and then come back and tell ME some new things.
 
actually you could do that test on me and I could easily tell what oral I am taking between d-bol and anadrol, piece of cake. Nothing blows me up like anadrol, and d-bol takes sometime for me, so that would be an easy one. Not a flame just a fact.
 
You mention Christ yet you failed to add the fact did he use a simple cycle or a more advanced one? New ideas, if thats what you are looking for why do you worship without question Duchaine, who fucked up a lot. You sound like a simple minded little moron. Read all the magazines. WTF is with that? I learn more in a month from this board than I could learn in years from the mags. Grow up and heed those with real world experience, shithead.
 
what about gaines to stay

quote:
"Joe Schmoe spends less than 1000 bucks and comes up with
this cycle:
200 dbol
2000 mg deca
2000 mg test
and spreads it out over whatever length of time.

Jimmy Bob spends 5000 plus because he researched this
message board and he uses drugs like Winnie, Anavar, Primo, GH, etc. "

Jimmy will not have a down payement for a new Corvette, but he will keep all his gains. Jimmy only needs Clomid to get his piece back in action.
Do i also have to mention that Jimmy will look BETTER thanks to the GH. Jimmy however should also take some Slin.

Joe on the other hand could use some expensive Arimidex. Joe should worry about gyno, cause you'll never know.
 
Isn't it amusing how the bodybuilders of yesterday who "kept it simple" just happened to look 100x better than the roid-gut gyno-warriors of today? I'd rather look like half of Arnold, Steeve Reeves, Lou Ferrigno, etc, than look even remotely similar to today's "champions" like Ronnie Coleman and... hm... have we had any other champions recently?

-Warik
 
Warik said:
Isn't it amusing how the bodybuilders of yesterday who "kept it simple" just happened to look 100x better than the roid-gut gyno-warriors of today? I'd rather look like half of Arnold, Steeve Reeves, Lou Ferrigno, etc, than look even remotely similar to today's "champions" like Ronnie Coleman and... hm... have we had any other champions recently?
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Amen to that. One can only appreciate so much freakiness.
 
You guys totally overrate GH. I agree that it is necessary to make a Mr. Olympia,
but I think it somewhat silly for most of the guys on here to even think about. Remember
that the pros often spend over 25 grand a year on growth hormone, and that GH
is only known for working well with assloads of other drugs. Sure, it is synergistic
when used with a stack + insulin + this + that. It does funky things with blood
sugar, that's why it works so well with insulin. And nobody should tell me
it affects blood sugar because of this or that, because it's actions are not 100 percent
understood. I believe from what I've read that gh has spot reducing qualities on
fat. However, gh works best at enlarging your guts, not your biceps. And when you
consider that gh is overpriced (it got that way because of its reputation as
an anti-aging drug), causes roid gut, and has little effect on its own, why should
your typical steroid user plop down 10 g's for it? And if you think that water
weight has no advantages and the gains from d-bol and that type of steroid
are lost so easily, then read some of Paul Borresson's Set Point Theory and
then tell me what you think. Remember another point I was making too, it
is now en vogue for pros to use so called bulking drugs up until the last minute.
You can do that if you are using anti-estrogens. You see, a pro cutting down
doesn't necessarily use only cutting drugs like you might think.
 
How do I go about getting in touch with paul for some fine tuning on my next cycle? Do you have the e-mail addy for Dan Duchaine? I'm having a little trouble locating those two.
 
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