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strongsmartsexy said:
This might be relevant to something, but it's not relevant to or a result from Bush or any other presidents economic policy. BTW, what IS his economic policy and actions?

:)
 
strongsmartsexy said:
This might be relevant to something, but it's not relevant to or a result from Bush or any other presidents economic policy. BTW, what IS his economic policy and actions?

He's a tremendous boost to the economy, you hair-farming, seal kissing, whale felating, tree huggin, pinko fag.

Didn't Der Fuhrer just the other day promiss to get another 25 billion (thats over 210 billion so far) out of our pockets for the defence spending juggernaut that is Uhmurika-East? You know, the place where the latest hot soldier-on-convict-action pics are pouring out of?

Stop yer belly-achin' or I will lable you a terrorist, Anti American peacnik and you can just kiss yer dreams of liberty tween the cheeks.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
This might be relevant to something, but it's not relevant to or a result from Bush or any other presidents economic policy. BTW, what IS his economic policy and actions?

are you serious? you dont think the large, sweeping tax cuts played any roll in this whatsoever? you cant be kidding me.

please, tell me why you believe the unemployment rate is slipping. i'm dying to hear.
 
ChefWide said:
He's a tremendous boost to the economy, you hair-farming, seal kissing, whale felating, tree huggin, pinko fag.

Didn't Der Fuhrer just the other day promiss to get another 25 billion (thats over 210 billion so far) out of our pockets for the defence spending juggernaut that is Uhmurika-East? You know, the place where the latest hot soldier-on-convict-action pics are pouring out of?

Stop yer belly-achin' or I will lable you a terrorist, Anti American peacnik and you can just kiss yer dreams of liberty tween the cheeks.

:lmao: You completely crack me up!

I think my dreams of liberty have been pretty much crushed as they create new laws to put people in jail for newly created "crimes" and find ways to avoid due process.
 
p0ink said:
are you serious? you dont think the large, sweeping tax cuts played any roll in this whatsoever? you cant be kidding me.

please, tell me why you believe the unemployment rate is slipping. i'm dying to hear.

Demonstrate the correlation. It's easy enough to make the assumption/assertion that they're related, now demonstrate how they're corralative.
 
yes, all kinds of new faces at wal-mart, mcdonalds and burger king.....making a third (or fourth) of their previous income..... :rolleyes:
 
rnch said:
yes, all kinds of new faces at wal-mart, mcdonalds and burger king.....making a third (or fourth) of their previous income..... :rolleyes:

Yes, along with all the folks who now work for the ever expanding Wal-Mart who are known for their HUGE salaries and benefits. WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JFK cut the top marginal rate down from nearly 91% to 70%, and guess what happened? the economy had a huge economic growth.

when reagan took office, the top marginal rate was 70% and by the time he left office, it was 28%. and guess what happened? there was unparralled growth that lasted all of the way into the 90's.the total revenue to the government DOUBLED.

why do you people think tax cuts will hurt our economy?

small business makes up the vast majority of our economy and most small businesses organize themselves as chapter S on a class C corporation, which means they pay their taxes on a 1040. so how will cutting taxes not help our economy? do you think these small business owners are just going to putt the money under their beds?

no. they are going to hire new people and/or buy new products/services or invest, which in turn helps create more jobs! do you think small businesses are only looking to stay a certain size?

how does this not make sense to some of you?

and bush was originally proposing a $720 billion dollar tax cut (implemented over the course of x amount of years [i believe 10].

now compare that $720 billion to our 10.7 TRILLION GDP. even with our 'huge deficits', that isnt shit compared to our GDP, especially because it will be spread over time.
 
that was a post of mine from 2002, and what happened? exactly what i said. businesses would take the money they saved from the tax cuts and re-invest it in their own businesses thus creating new jobs. well, here we are, almost 2 years later and that is exactly what is happening.

tax cuts work. surprise, surprise!
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Yes, along with all the folks who now work for the ever expanding Wal-Mart who are known for their HUGE salaries and benefits. WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

and once again, it isnt these 'mega' corporations that make up the majority of our economy; it is small business. small business makes up 95% of our economy.

god, these cliched statements are getting so fucking old now...and they arent even true ta-boot!
 
Tax Cut Facts and Fantasies
by Richard W. Rahn

Richard W. Rahn is an adjunct scholar of the Cato Institute.

In 1980, President Carter and his supporters in the Congress and news media asked, "how can we afford" presidential candidate Ronald Reagan's proposed tax cuts?

Mr. Reagan's critics claimed the tax cuts would lead to more inflation and higher interest rates, while Mr. Reagan said tax cuts would lead to more economic growth and higher living standards. What happened? Inflation fell from 12.5 percent in 1980 to 3.9 percent in 1984, interest rates fell, and economic growth went from minus 0.2 percent in 1980 to plus 7.3 percent in 1984, and Mr. Reagan was re-elected in a landslide.

Now a quarter-century later, the same debate is being replayed, with the opponents demonstrating collective amnesia and ignorance. Those opposed to President Bush's tax proposals make two major arguments: the tax cuts will increase the deficit and benefit the rich. Those who support the tax cuts argue that such tax cuts will increase economic growth and liberty, and reduce poverty.

To have an honest debate, it is important to know the facts. Claims are made that a tax cut will "cost" $700 billion or so, over 10 years. Such numbers are almost meaningless. First, they tend to be static revenue estimates, which assume no change in behavior because of the tax cut, which is totally unrealistic. Second, gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to be approximately $140 trillion over the next 10 years, which means the proposed tax cut is approximately one-half of 1 percent of total national product (in static terms). Even though political commentators, like David Broder of The Washington Post, refer to the tax cut as "massive" (March 30, 2003), it is almost too small to be meaningfully measured.

The correct way to measure tax revenues and government outlays is as a percentage of gross domestic product, in the same way the burden of your home mortgage is directly related to your income. You may be shocked to learn that even though federal government tax revenues and spending have increased almost twentyfold in the last 40 years, they have barely budged as a percent of GDP.

For instance, federal tax revenues were 17.5 percent of GDP in 1962 and were an almost identical 17.9 percent of GDP last year. Over this 40-year period federal tax revenues have never been lower than 17 percent (1965) or higher than 20.8 percent (2000) of GDP. Likewise, federal expenditures have ranged from a low of 17.2 percent (1965) to a high of 23.5 percent (1983) of GDP over this same 40-year period.

Despite the fact that federal revenues have varied little (as a percentage of GDP) over the last 40 years, there has been an enormous variation in top tax rates. When Ronald Reagan took office, the top individual tax rate was 70 percent and by 1986 it was down to only 28 percent. All Americans received at least a 30 percent tax rate cut; yet federal tax revenues as a percent of GDP were almost unchanged during the Reagan presidency (from 18.9 percent in 1980 to 18.1 percent in 1988).

What did change, however, was the rate of economic growth, which was more than 50 percent higher for the seven years after the Reagan tax cuts compared with the previous seven years. This increase in economic growth, plus some reductions in tax credits and deductions, almost entirely offset the effect of the rate reductions. Rapid economic growth, unlike government spending programs, proved to be the most effective way to reduce unemployment and poverty, and create opportunity for the disadvantaged.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has just released its analysis of the effects of the President Bush's tax and spending package. They found that without the president's tax cut, federal tax revenues will rise to 20.6 percent of GDP, up from last year's 17.9 percent; but even with the president's tax cut, taxes will still rise as a percentage of GDP to 18.8 percent in 2012. As we get wealthier, tax revenues increase as a percentage of GDP because of our progressive tax system. In order to keep the tax burden constant, we need to have periodic tax cuts even larger than the ones the president has proposed.

Some of the critics of the proposed tax cut claim the planned deficit spending will increase interest rates. Here again, the facts do not support the criticism. What is important is the total federal debt burden, not year-to-year changes in the deficit.

If the total debt burden rises as a percentage of GDP, it can crowd out private investment thus causing a reduction in investment or a rise in interest rates. However, again according to CBO, the total debt burden will actually shrink as a percent of GDP under the president's plan (from 34.3 percent in 2002 to 33.1 percent of GDP in 2012). The fact is the U.S. could run a small deficit forever and still reduce the debt burden, in the same way as an individual can take on more debt each year provided that the cost of servicing this additional debt is smaller than the rise in the individual's income.

At current levels, the debt is not a problem. At the end of WW II it was more than 100 percent of GDP and as late as 1995 is was almost 50 percent of GDP, and we did just fine. Ironically, the only time our debt burden was less than 30 percent in the last 60 years was in the 1970s, which were characterized by high inflation and interest rates and low growth.

What kind of tax cut should we have? Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert Lucas presented an important paper in January of this year, in which he says: "There remain important gains in welfare from better fiscal policies, but I argue that these are gains from providing people with better incentives to work and to save, not from better fine tuning of spending flows." Mr. Lucas found that reducing capital income taxation from its current level to zero (using other taxes to support an unchanged rate of government spending) would result in overall welfare gains of "perhaps 2 to 4 percent of annual consumption, in perpetuity."

President Bush's proposal to eliminate the double tax on dividends is a good first step but, if we would remove all taxes from productive savings and investment, such as taxes on interest and capital gains, almost all Americans including the poorest would see their real incomes grow at roughly twice the present rate -- forever. Those who oppose tax cuts on savings and investment because they think the rich would benefit are in fact punishing the poor. President Reagan understood that one wins a war, the Cold War, by being resolute; and he understood that one strengthens the economy not only by having good policies, but also by educating the press and the American people every day as to why those policies are right and necessary. President Bush is being resolute on the war on terrorism, but he also should create an army of knowledgeable supporters to educate the press and people about the needed growth-enhancing tax policy to avoid losing the economic war.
 
I don't think tax cuts hurt the economy at all. However, I would believe that tax cuts with an significantly increased deficit spending as we're seeing now is going to cause significant difficulties for our economy down the road for some president.

I don't blame Bush for the economic slowdown and difficulty any more than I accept that his actions directly attributed to it's recovery.

Now, if you can overlay all the tax cuts/tax increases across the miriad changes in economic health and establish correlation I might be interested.

The blame the past republican or democratic president for what is happening in the economy is nonsense. The only significant factor that seems to overlay economy is war. So, if you want to say that because we have these wars going on right now and that is stimulating the economy I can agree with you. It's also causing a significant deficit. That will backlash at some point.

Except that Haliburton would seem to be a good stock to buy into. ;)
 
strongsmartsexy said:
This might be relevant to something, but it's not relevant to or a result from Bush or any other presidents economic policy. BTW, what IS his economic policy and actions?

You don't seem to have a problem making a correlation when things go bad, only when things go well under Bush, LOL.

To answer your question, as if you didn't already know:

Policy: Increasing the availability of capital and creating a positive environment for economic growth.

Actions: Income tax cuts and captial gains tax cuts.

Results: Awesome
 
sorry, but your whole deficit theory doesnt hold water. there has been an on-going survey since 1973 that showed economic growth, employment, industrial production, poverty reduction has performed better in years that the trade deficit rose than when the years in which it shrank.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Yes, along with all the folks who now work for the ever expanding Wal-Mart who are known for their HUGE salaries and benefits. WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
I find it interesting that liberals like to bash Walmart. Americans love Walmart. But if you had read the article, you'd know that other sectors are growing as well...

"The nation's struggling factories also appear to be turning around. Based on Labor Department revisions, the manufacturing sector added jobs for three straight months, including 21,000 in April. For the year, manufacturing payrolls are up by 27,000 overall."
 
Razorguns said:
Awesome! More jobs for Mexicans!! Woo Hoo!!!

more jobs are 'in sourced' (jobs coming from other countries into the US) than those which are 'out sourced' each year.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Blah, Blah BLah liberals, blah blah blah blah

*sigh*

All of your posts boil down to that basic thing. Just copy and paste that for any response you have.

I'm not now or ever have been a "liberal".

I find Wal-Mart an interesting company, that is WAY fun to make jest at. I know HOW they got to be as successful as they are. I worked on the technology that allowed them to do the things they do to succeed and beat the pants off of their competitors.
 
Longhorn85 said:
You don't seem to have a problem making a correlation when things go bad, only when things go well under Bush, LOL.

I didn't make a correlation to the downturn of the economy as it has been to Bush. Although, you may have missed that in your ever hopeless quest to label anyone not an extereme right wing conservative as a liberal.

5% = right
95% = liberal
 
I think Sun is going to negate the job growth single handedly. They axed 3,300 in April and rumor is another 9,000 this week. I think it's just Scott McNealy & Johnathon Schwartz now.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
*sigh*

All of your posts boil down to that basic thing. Just copy and paste that for any response you have.

I'm not now or ever have been a "liberal".

Then why do you keep using the liberal playbook for your anti-Bush rants? Walmart-bashing is chapter one.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Blah blah blah blah blah liberal playbook blah blah blah blah? Blah-blah blah blah.

Uncanny!
 
Longhorn85 said:
Then why do you keep using the liberal playbook for your anti-Bush rants? Walmart-bashing is chapter one.

Likely because I have a significantly larger viewpoint than just along specific party lines. I just don't happen to have a set of blinders on to any one specific "party".

As we've seen in almost all of these debates, each "side" brings up conflicting information for the same topic. It does nothing to sway either side, but clearly serves to divide.
 
you people who bash walmart are such hypocrites. like any of you are willingly and knowingly going to regularly spend more on products just to support 'the little guy'.

pfftt please.
 
You just went into detail about how Walmart is a good, innovative company. A few posts back you belittle the fact that they employ many Americans. How is this consistent?
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Likely because I have a significantly larger viewpoint than just along specific party lines. I just don't happen to have a set of blinders on to any one specific "party".

THEN WHY WONT YOU GIVE CREDIT TO WHERE CREDIT IS DUE?

i already posted all of the facts for you to read, and instead of acknowledging them, you go off on some wild tangent about god only know what. :rolleyes:
 
Longhorn85 said:
and Chapter two is "never admit you're a liberal"

Ah, so YOU are a liberal then! I see it all so clearly now. You really are just a plant to demonstrate how brainless the extreme right wing is. What a cool ruse by the liberals!!! :lmao: I'd have never guessed!
 
Dial_tone said:
I think Sun is going to negate the job growth single handedly. They axed 3,300 in April and rumor is another 9,000 this week. I think it's just Scott McNealy & Johnathon Schwartz now.

Investors are currently picking up SUNW at a bargain 3 bucks and 80 cents a share. Get some, it will roar back.
 
p0ink said:
THEN WHY WONT YOU GIVE CREDIT TO WHERE CREDIT IS DUE?

i already posted all of the facts for you to read, and instead of acknowledging them, you go off on some wild tangent about god only know what. :rolleyes:

Sometimes things are posted just to draw things out of others, or to just draw someone else into the fray.
 
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Longhorn85 said:
You just went into detail about how Walmart is a good, innovative company. A few posts back you belittle the fact that they employ many Americans. How is this consistent?

They're solid and innovative in the way they are able to move merchandise around appropriately from store to store as buying trends change from area to area.

They're known for paying LOW salaries, which is what I was making fun of, and not belittling the fact that they employ many Americans.

Where I live, an entire 5 person family ALL working at wal-mart could just barely afford an apartment to live in, let alone buy a home.
 
p0ink said:
sorry, but your whole deficit theory doesnt hold water. there has been an on-going survey since 1973 that showed economic growth, employment, industrial production, poverty reduction has performed better in years that the trade deficit rose than when the years in which it shrank.

I wasn't aware I'd said anything about a trade deficit.
 
let's see if I got this right... when the economy goes bad... it isn't Bush's fault because the President isn't directly responsible for jobs or job growth... but when it increases, the credit goes to Bush?

Hmmm yeah, thought so. Of course the economy is coming back due to the fact bush is on his way out in Nov.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Investors are currently picking up SUNW at a bargain 3 bucks and 80 cents a share. Get some, it will roar back.


I don't know if I'd invest in SUNW right now. They are in the red and cutting jobs to struggle to get back in the black, and their upper management is making questionable decisions. If they get back to profits it won't be for a year or two, and even then it will be a slow rise. There are much better stocks to invest in.

As for the economy, I'm worried. The real estate sector has been keeping our heads above water, but once Greenspan raises rates that will all slow down. We'll see if the tax cuts were enough to truly strengthen the economy or if it was just a patch.
 
Whats with all the political mudslinging. This is meerely part of the business cycle, basic economics. Currently we're in the recovery stage of the business cycle. Jobs are coming back to to cyclical unemployment changes, defecit demand unemployment

The cyclically balanced budget is also a conservative spending philosophy which allows for some government stabilization policy over the length of the business cycle. Deficit spending is allowed during a recession, and surpluses during an inflationary period.

Come november no matter who is in office taxes WILL be raised. For the first time in almost four years i believe, the federal reserve probably going to raise interest rates. Bush knows this and Kerry as well. The problem with modern day politics is that politicians must lie in order to win. The average american doesn't understand economic policy and the business cycle, if a candidate were to go on national T.V. and say, I will raise taxes... thats political suicide.
 
The economy is definitely picking up. I work in the telecommunications industry and the tax cuts that Bush enacted lead to our company being able to purchase more equipment and therefore hire more people to install it and operate it. I am not saying that Bush saved the economy, but everyone knows that Republicans are more business friendly. Wall Street responds negatively every time Kerry rises in the polls. They know his policies suck.
 
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