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Rick Collins response to the Gear from Mexico Thread

wilson6

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I sent Rick the first post from the most recent thread regarding Legal Gear from Mexico. Here is his response FYI.

I devote a good portion of a chapter in Legal Muscle (which is nearly 400 pages of steroid info!) to exactly what the laws on the books say about importing juice. I can tell you without question that the law [as clarified by regulations] most assuredly does NOT say what those particular Customs inspectors think it does. But I can't speak to how every poor Customs devil sweating his ass off and stuck at any given Mexican border post is going to read or understand the law. There's what the law says and there's how it's (mis)interpreted/enforced. The two aren't always the same. Maybe this "interpretation" will become the norm, to the great delight of many juicers. Or maybe it's a peculiarity of the inspectors at Nuevo Laredo? Or those particular inspectors? Who knows? I will tell you that up until now, I haven't heard of anybody being arrested at the border for importation after having declared their gear in accordance with the regs as being for personal medical use (I've seen lots of people busted who didn't declare). But that's hardly a guarantee.

On the other hand, Legal Muscle tells the disturbing story of xxxxxx, a middle-aged woman whose conviction went all the way up to the high court in Texas. She drove with her son from her home in Sherman, Texas to Nuevo Laredo, where she was examined by a physician fully licensed in Mexico and prescribed diazepam (Valium®) and diethylpropion (an appetite suppressant). She filled the prescription at a Mexican pharmacy in Nuevo Laredo. Upon returning to the U.S., she informed Customs officials that she had controlled drugs and readily presented the medication and the documents related to them. She also signed paperwork indicating that the medication was for personal use. Customs officials had no problems with it. They stamped the documents with the notation “Cleared U.S. Customs, Laredo, Texas,” and she was permitted to proceed. Twenty miles north she stopped at a border check point where her medications were reviewed. She was again allowed to proceed.

Her vehicle was later stopped in Frio County for speeding. The sheriff asked her if she had any prescription medications in the vehicle. She presented the medications and documents to the sheriff, who told her that the possession of prescription Mexican medication was a felony offense. She was arrested right there on the side of the road, hauled off to court, and indicted for felony possession of controlled substances. Surely the case was immediately thrown out? No, federal laws and state laws are different. She was convicted of the charge and sentenced. While the case was ultimately reversed after a lengthy battle in the appellate courts, it stands for the proposition that law enforcers don't always know the law or exercise sound judgment in importation scenarios.
 
I'm

confused. How in the hell is the sheriff going to ask about prescription meds in the car on a speeding violation. LOL

Is he saying that the customs people "tip off" local authorities, even so, they need you say so to let them search unless something is in plain view.

They can't search your car for speeding, and if they bring out a drug dog he aint smelling shit.
 
I wonder, now that you may be able to cross, some of these posts may be by dealers that don't want you to?
 
ALL 6 Customs agents I came into contact with had the exact same interpretation of the law concerning importing 50 units of a controlled substance.. one of those six was a head honcho supervisor.. say what you want but that is the way it went down for me and several others
 
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me2dammit said:
confused. How in the hell is the sheriff going to ask about prescription meds in the car on a speeding violation. LOL

Is he saying that the customs people "tip off" local authorities, even so, they need you say so to let them search unless something is in plain view.

They can't search your car for speeding, and if they bring out a drug dog he aint smelling shit.

Since this happened apparently in Texas, and I am an ex Texas cop, here's the deal. You can ask any question you want of a violator, no matter what the violation. If I pull you over for expired registration or fail to signal lane change, or even failing to stop at a designated stop line, I can ask you if you have anything illegal in the vehicle, such as guns, knives, narcotics, etc., etc.,
No, you don't have to tell me, and I can't make you let me look. There are tons of factors available to law enforcement, i.e., furtive movements, a "Terry" frisk of the vehicle, which allows an officer to search the "immediate reach" area within the vehicle for safety reasons. The mere scent of Marijuana is immediate probable cause to search the vehicle, no permission needed.

Again, the point of what I'm saying is, the offense really doesn't matter. One can ask all day long about illegal items within a vehicle. It's up to the individual to allow information or to give consent. Once consent is given, said officer can go thru the entire vehicle until consent is withdrawn or the officer is satisfied.
 
The problem with the interpretation that you can import steroids is that the federal regulations require:

1. the intended use (of the drug) is unapproved and for a serious condition for which effective treatment may not be available domestically either through commercial or clinical means;

2. there is no known commercialization or promotion to persons residing in the U.S. by those involved in the distribution of the product at issue;

3. the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk;

4. the individual seeking to import the product affirms in writing that it is for the patient’s own use (generally not more than a 3-month supply) and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the U.S. responsible for his or her treatment with the product, or provides evidence that the product is for the continuation of a treatment begun in a foreign country.

U.S. doctors do prescribe steroids for serious conditions such as AIDS to prevent muscle wasting. So a Customs agent could seize the steroids because they do not meet the first condition under federal law. Even though some members may have had success with the law, no member should feel that there isn't a risk in trying to use the federal law to import steroids.
 
well i know you can and thats the most important thing to me- everyone else can smuggle or pay high domestic prices, its their choice.. the worst thing that can happen if you declared your gear is that they don't approve it for whatever reason and let you take it back into mexico to sell back to the pharmacy.. you can do it though, the law spells it out clearly on the website and if you iconfirm with the customs officials what you can bring prior to entering Mexico, you should be 100% certain..
 
WHo is Rick Collins? I know a Rich Collins who is a Sport Book Owner and one crooked son-of-a-bitch. Cheated a bunch of people out of their money.
 
I know this is a wierd concept to throw into the discussion... but I'm a LOT older than the average poster here... and I remember the era when we would drive through the border crossings with 3-4 crates of sustanon redijects on the seat beside us... and a bunch more bundles of Steris deca in the trunk. When customs asked us if we had anythign to declare we could say, "Nope, just some redijects and deca." They'd wave us through... and we'd be craning out the window to see if we could spot them popping a dope smoking hippie trying to smuggle in weed.

The guys who are the supervisors now are the same guys who were the border guards then. In this time of increased need for customs to focus on what's important... I wonder if they haven't decided on their own to turn back the clock.

It would be a major boon to national security if AAS were dropped from the concern list of customs and border guards. It would be one less dumb thing for them to worry about when they have important things they need to be vigilant for.

Just my 2cc.
 
sofageorge you couldn't be more correct.. they're after the kilos of weed and coke coming thru.. having guys being able to declare personal amount of gear makes their job more efficenient, gets the juicer thru customs and on his way in a very speedy manner, so that they can turn their attention to the serious stuff.. nothing pisses them off more than finding 2 bottles of juice on a guy who tries to smuggle it- they have to do a shitload of paperwork for this little crap and takes away at least one agent, (usually more) from being able to look for the dangerous stuff being smuggled..
 
biteme said:
WHo is Rick Collins? I know a Rich Collins who is a Sport Book Owner and one crooked son-of-a-bitch. Cheated a bunch of people out of their money.

He is known throughout the bodybuilding community as, "the Steroid Lawyer" and has handled more steroid-related cases than any lawyer in history. He's the man to call for all your juice-related legal needs and a helluva good guy!
 
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