revised cycle

[acneman]

---------Testonon 250 :Nandrolona 300 :Brovel T200 :Brovel nand 50 :liquidX

week 1 : 5CCs(1250mg): 1CC (300mg)---: none------: 11CCs (550mg): 1/2mg ed
week 2 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 3 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 4 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 5 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 6 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 7 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 9 : none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 10: none--------: 1CC (300mg)---: 3CCs(600mg): 2CCs (100mg): 1/2mg eod
week 11: none--------: none----------: none-------: none----------: 1/2mg eod

week 12-13 HCG

week 14 till hpta recovery clomid therapy(mabey nolva therapy)

this should be more readable than yesterday(that whole post was screwed up)

if you got any advice for change id like to hear it

 

[lawnsaver]

Get ready to grow!! I like EQ more than Deca, but thats me. A lot of CC's...LOL...the first week!

 

[acneman]

yeah sombody else said EQ instead but i got what i got
(kinda hard to get new stuff right now)

yeah very tough first week(ill rent a wheel chair)

 

[Nathan]

Looks much better. That will treat you nicely. Run the Liquidex through clomid if you can. Do your nuts tend to shrink while one? I'm all concerned now since clomid won't be nearly as effective if your nuts are shrunken it takes about the length of clomid therapy for them to get back to their original size. HCG seem like a good idea for proper timing and I am hoping to try it out on this next cycle but might spend my money on a primo bridge instead which is more than a little likely.

 

[serge]

i would also go with EQ, if you dont get anxiety from it

other then that cycle looks solid

 

[lawnsaver]

HCG mid and end cycle will be needed, in my opinion. Nandralone shuts me down and shrinks me down bad

 

[acneman]

serge yeah i have no EQ

nathan the hcg should give full testicular size before clomid therapy and my liquid X will be stretched to the limit. i could drop the liquid X from ed to eod the first week and get another week out of it but i thought with the 1250mg tes that first week i should dose ed watta ya think

lawnsaver it just so happens i have an extra amp of hcg. ill probably do just that. thanks

 

[Nathan]

I think you can get away with eod in that first week especially if you feel you can get away with it in the next 9 weeks or so. Your test will be higher in those later weeks as it slowly builds up. Earlier in the cycle is the time to use it sparingly even with the frontload since it really isn't going to hit you all at once.

 

[acneman]

good point nathan i can stretch the liquid x into the hcg therapy but still wont make it to the clomid though

 

[Nathan]

good point nathan i can stretch the liquid x into the hcg therapy but still wont make it to the clomid though

How much do you have? You don't have 20ml of 4mg/ml though I take it? Well, don't sweat it. Maybe try nolva for the first little while @ 40mg ED and then use it @ 20mg eod on alternating days with the l-dex once you start it? I dunno what you have planned may be safest but playing around isn't always the worst idea if you think your body can get away with it. Maybe just throw in nolva at the end instead with clomid?

 

[acneman]

yeah i got plenty of nolva thanks

 

[Realgains]

Acneman....i would bump up the loading dose of nandrolone to a gram on day one of week one.
Also it would indeed be a good idea to get some H C G as nandrolone shuts one down longer at the level of the testes than any other roid. You should try H C G at 500 iu/day either sub Q or IM during weeks 5 and 6 and if you can get more then run it during weeks 10 and 11 too.
Then hit the clomid hard at 300 mg on day one three weeks after your last shot of nandrolone in 6 divided doses. Taking with food helps a little with absorbtion. Then do 50 per day for at least 4 weeks due to the nandrolone.

It would be good to run tren at 75 per day during the weeks you are waiting for the deca and test to clear as it will really help harden up your gains. If you do this then start the clomid 3 days after the last tren shot.

If you are going to use the H C G be darn sure to take 20 of nolva with it per day as H C G will cause estrogen levels to climb. Arimidex will not help here as the estrogen is being made directly by the testes and not via an estrogen convertion enzyme as is seen with aromatization.

RG

 

[acneman]

wow thanks realgains
your not a mod yet?

 

[Realgains]

I think I should tell all reading this thread to be careful H C G. Taking too much or even low doses for too long will desensitize the testes to LH. 300-500iu/per day for two weeks at a time is plenty in most cases.

H C G is not really needed for cycles under 12 weeks BUT is does help. There is always some degree of testes shrinkage in an 6-8 week cycle and it makes sence to bring the boys back to size, or better yet, prevent shrinkage in the first place before starting the clomid.
Some use H C G with clomid therapy but this is very tricky as H C G will cause test levels to jump rapidly and to above normal levels and this can be inhibitory in itself.

RG

 

[acneman]

great thanks realgains

anybody else
comments question statements

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Looks good. I'd take Realgainz advice too, he covered everything I would have suggested.

Although on second thought a little prop (75 ED or 150 EOD) with your tren would be better. And I'd rather see you use .5mg Liquidex ED or 1mg EOD.

Good points about HCG too, real. Can PERMANENTLY desensitize your nuts to LH, and it should be used during the cycle as it is itself inhibits the HPTA.

 

[acneman]

cool thanks doc

ok im uppin the liquid x

im using hcg in the middle of the cycle as well as at the end

and i might up my frontload on deca(but since my frontload is double my weekly dose im not sure why i should)

thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread ive gotten a lot of good ideas


anything or anybody else?

 

[jc21]

i really dont understand why you are combining tt and brovel deca...i guess it is cause what you have laying around. and from my personal preference i really dont like those tests all that much. but if that is what you put together from gear you have laying around...then i am impressed.

all and all it is a test/deca cycle....on of the best kind of cycles imo. good luck.

 

[acneman]

yeah this stuff was purchased a year ago

i posted this on another board and everybody said "dont use that use this and this." to which i replied
shhh but it might not be a good idea to buy anything new right now

but anyway when i bought this stuff ttokyo was the newest sweetheart of the boards and i had used brovel deca and enan with good results so i got some of the new stuff to try and a lot of the good old cheap stuff. but then i got injured and well...

you know how it is

the brovel deca was bought for someone else but feel its a good oil to use to dilute the high ba juices i got on this cycle and to bump up the deca alittle

 

[acneman]

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