Review My cycle

[pudzian2]

hey guys I will be running this. IM 5'9" 235lbs at 11% This will be my third cycle:

1-4 Test Prop 75mg/day
1-4 Tren Ace 50mg/day
1-14 Test Enth 1000mg/week
1-14 EQ 500mg/week
1-12 Tren Enth 350mg/week
14-16 Test Prop 75mg/day (during ester clearance)

Proviron run throughout as needed for AI and hardening effect

HOWEVER

I need some advice as to AI dosage recommendations..... Adex? Letro? Aromasin?

What do you guys think?

 

[sweed]

How old are you?
A lot of test there for a 3rd cycle and no need for a frontload imo. That would be a little shy of 2 grams of gear EW. What did your past 2 cycles consist of?
What are your goals for this cycle?

 

[AAP]

1-14 Test Enth 1000mg/week
1-14 EQ 500mg/week
1-12 Tren Enth 350mg/week

Anything beyond this is overkill.

Save your money.

 

[littleb]

wow bro too much gear imo, hell even what aap said is higher then most need.. unless you are competing or planning too in the near future 1700-2000 mg a week is higher then needed bro..

 

[AAP]

I don't see a need for 1 gram of test weekly. 500mg is an adequate dose.

I am always between 250-260 and in single digit BF, and 1 gram weekly is too much for me. I won't ever go over 500mg again.

 

[al420]

hey guys I will be running this. IM 5'9" 235lbs at 11% This will be my third cycle:

1-4 Test Prop 75mg/day
1-4 Tren Ace 50mg/day
1-14 Test Enth 1000mg/week
1-14 EQ 500mg/week
1-12 Tren Enth 350mg/week
14-16 Test Prop 75mg/day (during ester clearance)

Proviron run throughout as needed for AI and hardening effect

HOWEVER

I need some advice as to AI dosage recommendations..... Adex? Letro? Aromasin?

What do you guys think?

I like it. I would bump the EQ to 600mg or just drop it entirely.

Tren E is garbage IMO, but I just love Fina. If you can get Ace use it instead. Hell, I think EQ is garbage anyway. I would rather see Primo in there at a gram a week, but only if you can get HG primo (schring). UG primo isn't primo!

For your AI use Aromasin or AIFM and some cabaser at .5 mg/E3D or so.

You need to eat quite a bit on those doses, so get ready.

 

[pudzian2]

I prefer not to disclose my age.

As for the amount of gear-- i agree its too much HOWEVER i hATE waiting for esters to kick, and i hate riding them out while they clear. Thats why the prop is in there for bookends and the Tren Ace is just to get results from the tren without waiting half of the cycle.... Only reason i chose tren enth is becuase i dont really wanna pin myself EVERY DAY for 12 weeks. I think if i do EOD with tren it may be okay however i prefer more consistent blood levels.

i've run 750mg Test Enth and 600mg EQ for 16 weeks before (bumped the test to 1g and added PWO slin for 4 weeks). and that was a LONG time ago. More recently i did a little recomp with 600mg Test prop and 600mg NPP per week for 8 weeks. Dropped off NPP at about week 4 (should have run test higher than the nandrolone... i got some Erectile dysfunction.)

as for the AMOUNT of gear... yea i agree it may be too high on the doses however i do like the combination of compounds and the synergies they should provide.

GOALS: well i will be competing soon (in '09)-NPC. and I have high hopes of becoming a successful and hopefully successful professional competitor. My age is such that i have a RESPONSIBLE, EDUCATED, and EARLY start towards potential professional success. I hope to keep up with the progress of a guy like Evan Centopani (age wise). My nutrition program is similar to his(I need a higher fat intake) and will probably do a contest prep in Ketosis....

I have a good relationship with my doctor, and have my health as a very high priority. I am well read on AAS etc so i hope there are no judgmental stabs at that due to the fact that i may be a younger guy than most here...

I would like to lower the doses...

My Question to AAP is:

what about making the kick-in and clearance times more efficient? Do you recommend NOT using short acting test to fill the gaps??? I prefer NOT to use many orals... I am really not attracted to the toxicity thing especially with respect to their effects on HDL/LDL.

what if i lowered the test enanthate to 750mg/week, lowered the ED doses on the bookend fast acting injects (the issue i have wtih them is although their half lives are 1-2 days they STILL take like 4 subsequent half lives to actually "kick" which by that reasoning is a waste of gear) so maybe an oral is best here??? ---Dianabol or Anadrol 50 probably...

I dont want to balloon up with this cycle. I plan on eatin ALOT and i mean ALOT... 90% of my bodybuilding related efforts are in the kitchen so im not ignorant to proper nutrition.. but learning ones own body is a timely process...

AAP- what is your height? 250-260 is my goal weight but i hope to be reasonably lean at that weight and after sitting at that weight an re-comping for a bit i hope to come down to a competition weight of 230-ish pounds.

^^ I dotn really like setting goal "weights" becuase I think the mirror is a better judge but its a good quantitative way of measuring progress i suppose.

thanks for the help bros.... yea im no longer content with this cycle setup I am now convinced that it is overkill.

 

[HAYEZ]

i like it except id drop the eq all together...its on the high side but whatever..my next cycle test e 1000,deca 600 ew, i dont see sides worse at 1000 then 500 for test in all reality..might just be me but...
eq though i wouldnt waste the time.
adex .25 eod up it if you bloat..grab caber for the tren incase u get problems,i was gonna skimp on it for my run with tren but im glad i got it now

 

[pudzian2]

I agree EQ is a waste of time HOWEVER what i do like abotu EQ and Nandrolone is the increase in collagen synthesis. I have a few lagging injuries. I can lift stronger, and i have MANY fewer joint problems on compounds that increase collagen synthesis. SO I figured EQ wwould help with that and increase my appetite (it REALLY does that for me) and its not that expensive for me so i figured what the hell.. I have a bunch of NPP sitting aroudn that i could use however its frequent injects AND a progestin which would surely give me gyno etc with the tren.

 

[Trendsetter21]

hey guys I will be running this. IM 5'9" 235lbs at 11% This will be my third cycle:

1-4 Test Prop 75mg/day
1-4 Tren Ace 50mg/day
1-14 Test Enth 1000mg/week
1-14 EQ 500mg/week
1-12 Tren Enth 350mg/week
14-16 Test Prop 75mg/day (during ester clearance)

Proviron run throughout as needed for AI and hardening effect

HOWEVER

I need some advice as to AI dosage recommendations..... Adex? Letro? Aromasin?

What do you guys think?

I agree with a lot of the guys, you are taking way too much. I do like the Prop and Tren Ace at the beginning but cut the test down to 500 a week, EQ seems fine and I would probably suggest Tren En only 8 weeks towards the end of the cycle. But thats my opinion.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

Christ Allmighty That Is Too Much For A 3rd Cycle
Stick To Test/tren/eq

 

[pudzian2]

Christ Allmighty That Is Too Much For A 3rd Cycle
Stick To Test/tren/eq

yea well essentially thats what i am doing however the prop and ace were used to get things moving quicker...

 

[AAP]

My Question to AAP is:

what about making the kick-in and clearance times more efficient?

AAP- what is your height? .

I am 5'11". I still have a 34 inch waist at this weight too. If I drop a few more BF% or run anavar and GH, my waist gets down to about 33" with no dieting at all.

I am not a fan of worrying about kick in times. Impatience isn't really a virtue. Just take what you got and then be patient, it will do it's work. This is why I have never used orals for kicking in a cycle. When I use orals, I use them for the duration of the cycle from start to finish. I don't buy into that notion that anything beyond 4 weeks is asking for trouble. Because my first cycle was EQ and winstrol for 34 weeks. (though I would not suggest going that long on anything.)

 

[pudzian2]

I think what I will do is this:

Test Enanthate 500mg per week 1-14
EQ 500mg per week 1-14
Tren enth 350mg per week 1-12
proviron 50mg per day 1-16 -- Should I worry about using proviron this long?--using it for AI benefit, SHBG lowering and added androgenicity.

I 4000mg of prop sitting around so i will most likely bookend with it but I will skip on the tren ace kickoff idea.

Should I just run Tren acetate the entire time? I mean that way I can cut it out if necessary---?

im 5'9" at 235lbs about 11% and 33 inch waist.

 

[pudzian2]

bump