Results with less test?

[mrkuslives]

I was planning on running 250 mg of sus for 10 weeks (doing 125 twice a week), as part of my first cycle. Is it worth it, or should I just run 375-500? I am also planning on starting it with 25 mg of dbol and running proviron. Im getting around 3500 cals a day, at 181 lbs and 11% bf.

I was hoping to see about 15-20 lbs of lean mass after pct is this a realistic expectation? Anyone have prior experiences with similar doses of test they could share with me?

Much thanks.

 

[GetBig10]

yaeh bro thats a good cycle...250 should be good for a starter im doing that as we speak right now...sust and tbol...some people might say run 500 but ..tis better to see how you react to it first right...have a good pct planned and you should be good...have nolva clomid and armidex on hand armidex for the bloat that dbol will give you..and also for gyno...... your lookin at a good cycle bro and yes that is a relastic expectation...sorry about the spellin ahah

 

[medical]

Remember that you can moderate it by doing say 250 every 5 or six days. I don't know what esters you have or how it is dosed but I would not do 125mg shots.....just space 250's out more. I am a fan of low dosages .......

 

[Vascular Freak]

250 mg is enough only if you are eating high calories and are willing to get some water retention and fat gain along with the muscle. If you want lean gains only you would be better off using 500mg with a light AI like AIFM at 1 pump per day and keeping calories just slightly above maintenance (ie 1000 calories above BMR). With low test doses you need to eat your ass off and will put on mucho fat with the muscle, when the cycle is over you will not be happy with the results... just my 2 cents.

 

[SwolK]

250 mg is enough only if you are eating high calories and are willing to get some water retention and fat gain along with the muscle. If you want lean gains only you would be better off using 500mg with a light AI like AIFM at 1 pump per day and keeping calories just slightly above maintenance (ie 1000 calories above BMR). With low test doses you need to eat your ass off and will put on mucho fat with the muscle, when the cycle is over you will not be happy with the results... just my 2 cents.

if he is an ecto he wont put on fat....

i think 250 is fine for your first cycle

 

[OMEGA]

500 + anti e = best bet

 

[mrkuslives]

250 mg is enough only if you are eating high calories and are willing to get some water retention and fat gain along with the muscle. If you want lean gains only you would be better off using 500mg with a light AI like AIFM at 1 pump per day and keeping calories just slightly above maintenance (ie 1000 calories above BMR). With low test doses you need to eat your ass off and will put on mucho fat with the muscle, when the cycle is over you will not be happy with the results... just my 2 cents.

Low doses of test incur a greater amount of fat retention than higher doses? That doesnt seem like an accurate statement.

Also, for anyone that has run a low dosage, what was your injection schedule like? Once or twice a week, every 5-6 days? I may bump the dose to 375mg ew if it looks more promising.

Thanks for the help.

 

[muscleup]

250 is perfect for your first cycle IMO....Personally I usually never go above 500 mgs per week with test, otherwise I start to get to many sides.

You have to find what works for you.

 

[JohnnyWest]

Low doses of test incur a greater amount of fat retention than higher
Thanks for the help.

he meant that if you wnat a 15-20lb gain on 250/w you'll have to let yourself get bloated and the extra estro will cause fat gain, where as (his opinion) running 500 will get the same results without the extra estrogen.

 

[big greg 82]

i would run it 500mg a wk wit letro at 1.25mg ed...

 

[stressman13]

I would go 500 def. I had a friend start with 250 and 1/2 way through he jumped to 500 then to 750. If your going to spend hte cash you may as well spend a little more and get your moneys worth. Alot of your results will depend on your diet + genetics as well. Thats why I would do 500. Theres a chance with 250 you will be disappointed with your gains. With 500, its pretty safe to say that you will see at least half way decent results.

 

[theprofessor]

why not just do 250 first to see how it works to you...
if your diet is on... you will do fine...
sometimes less is more...
...250 is a LOT more test than your body produces... so if you cant get decent gains off that for your first cycle... somthing else may easily be out of place...

 

[Recruit]

why not just do 250 first to see how it works to you...
if your diet is on... you will do fine...
sometimes less is more...
...250 is a LOT more test than your body produces... so if you cant get decent gains off that for your first cycle... somthing else may easily be out of place...

I agree with theprofessor...stay with 250 for your first cycle...

 

[Zircon]

I'd go middle ground and say 375mg 10 weeks. with a double frontload week1.

Depends if you worry about bloat, if you don't mind a bit this would be fine. If you dont want bloat stick to 250mg.

 

[theprofessor]

I'd go middle ground and say 375mg 10 weeks. with a double frontload week1.

Depends if you worry about bloat, if you don't mind a bit this would be fine. If you dont want bloat stick to 250mg.

i dont think bloat is realy the issue... as that can be avoided...
and im not saying 375 would be too much...
...just it may be better to start lower... assess your gains at that ammount and work from there...

 

[iHulk]

run this with a AIFM.
You'll should get approx 15 -20lbs of lean mass. Eat well. At least 5000 cals/day of high protein and high complex carbs.
250 (1 - 2 week)
500 (3 - 5 week)
750 (6 - 8 week)
500 (9 week)
250 (10 week)

 

[JohnnyWest]

run this with a AIFM.
You'll should get approx 15 -20lbs of lean mass. Eat well. At least 5000 cals/day of high protein and high complex carbs.
250 (1 - 2 week)
500 (3 - 5 week)
750 (6 - 8 week)
500 (9 week)
250 (10 week)

what's the point in tapering up and down? he misewell run 500mg/w straight through.

i'm also a fan of small dosages, right now im cruising on 350mg prop/w and just dropped 25mg naps ED and liking the gains.

 

[blut wump]

The comments on whether 250 will lead to more fat gain than 500 are to do with nutrient partitioning. When your body takes in food, various mechanisms control how the surplus food is distributed. Larger amounts of test lead to greater muscle depositiion than lower amounts.

Now, if 20 pounds of growth is your goal over 10 weeks then you need to over-eat by about 70,000 Calories or 7,000 per week. Take your maintainance food level and add a thousand per day. Of course, the extra test may serve to increase your BMR so you may need more.

So, lots of extra food plus low test is likely to lead to more fat than lots of food plus larger amounts of test. If he's an ecto then his nutrient partioning is probably already excellent. He doesn't give his height, though, so we don't know at this stage. If he's a six-footer then he should leave the juice alone and train harder. If he's a three-footer than that 181 pounds body-weight is impressive already.

 

[paridhm]

Because you are 181 pounds and pretty lean, I think you should go with 500 mg for 12 weeks. Don't get me wrong; 250 would be good, but because you are already of good bodyweight (181 lbs) I think 500 mgs would be the best for you.

 

[Zircon]

don't think it matters too much tbh lol. DOn't think we'll ever know whats best.

But to start on 250mg only u def need a frontload, and I woudl frontload then for 2 weeks at 500mg.

The other option is to frontload one week at 750mg hold on to 375mg and if u don't like it drop to 250.

There is a latency period ie if you run 250mg, and then the following week jack it up to 500mg, you won't feel it immediately. It will take at least 2-3 for the 500mg a week to become stable.

Hence i would rather go a little bit high and come down if necessary. jmo

 

[iHulk]

what's the point in tapering up and down? he misewell run 500mg/w straight through.

i'm also a fan of small dosages, right now im cruising on 350mg prop/w and just dropped 25mg naps ED and liking the gains.

the tapering was not ease into it and the ease off. I run differently now but
thats what Ihulk ran on his second cycle about 10 years ago and was very very happy with da gains. I remember loving the pumps but just wanting more and more and when brought up to 750mg/week and you eat 6000+ cals, you grow like a mofo. Didn't run any AI back then but wish I had some. Looked like a blowfish in da face but I didn't give a shit back then.