Reducing pre-existing gyno

[Dial_tone]

I know this has been asked 1,000 times (probably by me) but short of surgery what are the most effective anti-e's for reducing pre-existing gyno? I seem to recall Nolvadex being the choice, but that seemed strange considering it just blocks estrogen binding rather than getting rid of it. Thanks.

 

[sailbo]

I read somewhere about doing 20mg/day of nolva for a few months
anyone ever try that?

 

[Paulos]

I know this has been asked 1,000 times (probably by me) but short of surgery what are the most effective anti-e's for reducing pre-existing gyno? I seem to recall Nolvadex being the choice, but that seemed strange considering it just blocks estrogen binding rather than getting rid of it. Thanks.

I've never heard of anyone having much success removing it once you've already got it, I remember some guy had a persciption Gyno Gel he said that worked, but that was a while ago.

Are you 100% sure it's gyno and not just Estro pockets?

 

[Paulos]

I read somewhere about doing 20mg/day of nolva for a few months
anyone ever try that?

I seem to recall people trying that also...he'll it can't hurt can it? Nolvadex is cheap and it improves your Cholesterol I think.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

There was a trial done on a number of men who had gyno naturally and if I recall, something like 70% of them saw a reduction in their gyno from using nolvadex (can't remember if it was 10 mg or 20 mg a day, but think it was 10 mg). That being considered it wouldn't hurt to give it a try if one had it. Personally I would toss in some femara too.

 

[Dial_tone]

In my case it's both gyno and estrogen, probably more of the latter.

 

[ProteinFiend]

none of those drugs do jack crap for preexisting gyno, psuedo gyno, or estro fat!

The best luck ive had is with a very strict diet and ECYA. The lower you get your body fat, the less noticeable it becomes.

I think a lot of people will back me up on the fact that those drugs don't help gyno thats been there for a while (like since childhood). ive personally tried everything from bromo to nolva (even high dose... 80 mg/day) with little luck.

 

[Rio 2001]

Science says it´s possible to treat gynecomastia with tamoxifen PO and DHT gel with success. Not everybody will benefit, but I really think tamoxifen worths a shot. If lypomastia is a part of the problem, then maybe some yohimbine gel would help.

Comparison of tamoxifen with danazol in the management of idiopathic gynecomastia.
Ting AC - Am Surg - 01-JAN-2000; 66(1): 38-40
From NIH/NLM MEDLINE
Authors:
Ting AC; Chow LW; Leung YF
Abstract:
Idiopathic gynecomastia, unilateral or bilateral, is a common physical finding in normal men.

Successful treatment using tamoxifen (antiestrogen) and danazol (antiandrogen) has recently been reported. We compared the efficacy of tamoxifen and danazol in the treatment of idiopathic gynecomastia.

Medical treatment with either tamoxifen (20 mg/d) or danazol (400 mg/d) was offered and continued until a static response was achieved. The treatment response was compared. Sixty-eight patients with idiopathic gynecomastia were seen in the Breast Clinic. The median age was 39.5 years (range, 13-82), with a median duration of symptoms of 3 months (range, 1-90). The median size was 3 cm (range, 1-7).

Complete resolution of the gynecomastia was recorded in 18 patients (78.2%) treated with tamoxifen , whereas only 8 patients (40%) in the danazol group had complete resolution. Five patients, all from the tamoxifen group, developed recurrence of breast mass.

. In conclusion, hormonal manipulation is effective in the treatment of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia.

Although the effect is more marked for tamoxifen compared with danazol, the relapse rate is higher for tamoxifen. Further prospective randomized studies would be useful in defining the role of these drugs in the management of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia.

DHT :


1-Eberle A, Sparrow J, Keenan B. 1986 Treatment of persistent pubertal gynecomastia with dihydrotestosterone heptanoate. J Pediatr. 109-144.

2- Kuhn JM, Roca R, Laudat MH, Rieu M, Luton JP, Bricaire H. 1983 Studies on the treatment of ideopathic gynecomastia with percutaneous dihydrotestosterone. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 19:513-520.

3-Successful percutaneous dihydrotestosterone treatment of gynecomastia occurring during highly active antiretroviral therapy: four cases and a review of the literature.
Benveniste O - Clin Infect Dis - 15-Sep-2001; 33(6): 891-3
From NIH/NLM MEDLINE

 

[Silent Method]

Yeah, the topical DHT is suposed to be very effective for some. I wonder if a homade proviron cream would have similar effect?

(Yes, yes, I know that jus because it's a DHT deriviative does not make it the same as DHT.)

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Thanks Rio, you pretty muched back my earlier post. Can't give you karma since I just have you some tonight for translating for me.

 

[Rio 2001]

There are no studies combining tamoxifen and dht.
I think they would work in both ways of the est/test ratio at the same time, so it is possible that results would be better using both.

Some people like to quote Dr. Bruce Nadler on this gyno matter.
Let´s not forget he is a plastic surgeon, and not interested in a conservative gyno treatment.
Nevertheless, some cases will definetely need surgery.

 

[easy]

Best thing for me has been L-dex and yohimburn. I tooj nolva at 10mgs for I while and I swear it made mine worse. Decided to try l-dex and haven't really had a prob since.

 

[Dial_tone]

I'd pay for surgery if I could. I think I'll give l-dex a shot as well; just don't know which one to try first.