Read this and explain this to me please.

[Smokescreen]

http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-effects.htm

Ok...Tren raises progesterone. If it does...then why do I get Insomnia, night sweats, anxiety etc etc. While this site says that progesterone protects from that happening?

 

[Paulo]

Because you're not a chick?



that's all I got.

 

[Ulter]

Because it speeds up our metabolism so much it's like taking a fat burner to bed.
The Progestin affect is why P Seven helps most people with this problem. It has progestin neurosteroids in it that offset tren. Just like they describe in your article.
You can't take "progesterone". No one makes it. They make progestin's which mimic Progesterone but are not exactly the same.

Oh one more thing. Only shoot tren in the morning. That helps too.

 

[Smokescreen]

Ulter...maybe because I'm tired...but I'm not too sure what your saying. Please can you be more clear. How did P7 come into this? What speeds up metabolism? So P7 is bad?? I'm lost.

 

[Ulter]

Tren speeds up your metabolism like a fat burner. One reason not to shoot it before bed.

Your post referenced the upside of Progesterone (P). You can't buy P but like P Seven there are some products that you can buy that have Progestins in them. Some Progestins are very close to P itself and they will have the effects outlined in the page you posted.
YOUR progesterone levels alone will not be enough to override the metabolic effects of tren. That's why adding P Seven or something like it will help. Because then your brain is swimming in the P like effects.

 

[Smokescreen]

Whoa!!! So taking P7 will give me gyno?! Like the way I'm getting now!?

 

[Ulter]

No, just like the products linked to the page you posted P Seven is not Progesterone. It contains pregnenolone rather than Progesterone. Like I said, I guess you're too tired to read it, no one sells real Progesterone. But the progestins, like the ones linked to the page you posted, can have the positive effects of Progesterone without the negative effect. Get real bro, they wouldn't sell those products if they caused gyno.


Your original post was asking why tren doesn't relax you like they say on that page you posted.

The page you posted is on a website telling you why you should use the products they are selling. It's because they will relax you, etc. They are progestins.

The P Seven you read about everyone using here does the same thing as the products on the website you referenced in your first post. It's a progestin, it relaxes you.

But you can't expect your own minimal Progesterone levels to do the same as these products any more than you can expect the test you produce in your testes to equal what you're injecting in terms of growth results.

Is that easier to follow?

 

[thx9000]

Carth,

Tren raises prog levels, and prog. can have some beneificial imapact on you (well women, but let's assume men too). Great.

What does that matter?

Estrogen is good for you. So is prolactin, and test, and cholesterol, and cortisol and about 150 other hormones. Of course all those hormones are in the range of a few mcg to mg per day. Problem is you're taking 100's of mg of hormone each week. In fact you're taking 100's and 100's of mg of heavily androgenic hormones EW. Quite a few studies say red wine is good for you, none of them suggest you drink a bottle a day though.

 

[BD100]

I thought birth control pills were Progesterone.

 

[Ulter]

I thought birth control pills were Progesterone.

No. There are progesterone birth controls but that's in name only. They are made with progestins because they do the same thing and they cost almost nothing in comparison.

 

[Smokescreen]

I read that Winstrol is an anti-progesterone. If true, would it be really wrong to take Winny with Tren?

 

[BD100]

No. There are progesterone birth controls but that's in name only. They are made with progestins because they do the same thing and they cost almost nothing in comparison.

I'm impressed, you really seem to know your stuff. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Smokescreen]

Ulter...but still...does it NOT sesitize estrogen receptors just ike the link says it does? I started getting gyno about 2 weeks ago. I haven't done anything different at all! Except for adding P7 to my stack of arsenals just 2 weeks PRIOR to my onset of gyno. So P7 is causing my gyno?

 

[Ulter]

I have heard that for two decades and it may or may not be true, I have read articles that made good arguments both ways. How's that for ambiguity?
You know it works for some guys, or so they claim, and you won't talk them out of it, and does nothing for just as many. If you're having a P problem and you're sure that's it then I would recommend trying it.

 

[Ulter]

Ah here you go.

macrophage69alpha
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winny may block some of the progestin effects... HOWEVER it is also a mixed agonist/antagonist of the PR (though more an antagonist)..

in some individuals winstrol can and DOES exacerbate gyno, its unclear at this time whether that is through progestenic action or through increases in igf-1.. or even perhaps due to its effects on shbg.. just something to keep in mind..
basically winny is not a guarantee
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[Smokescreen]

So raising IGF-1 will cause gyno? And lowering SHBG will cause gyno? HUH? Ulter, BTW...did you read what I said right above you? Seriously Ulter, the only different thing that I started doing as of like 3 weeks ago was start using P7. Then a 1.5 later I start getting gyno!

 

[Ulter]

I am not going to explain macro's post, I'll let him do it.
When you say you didn't do anything different you mean besides the cycle you're on correct?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

progesterone and trenbolone are both progestins. progesterone modulates estrogen activity (it does not "sensitize receptors") Trenbolone has quite different activity than progesterone and it also raises igf. P-7, of which some pregenenolone convert to progesterone- a small amount, should help somewhat with Tren induced gyno. I should not cause gyno. If you beleive that it is the exacerbating factor, stop taking it. Its theoretically possible in your case that the combination may be a factor. though generally the opposite would be true.

as a note almost anything can exacerbate gyno in the right individual or combination of external chemicals.