r-ala, kinda basic but help me out

[dmginc00]

curious about the amount of r-ala's I should take per day. I was told to take one cap and 2-3 caps if I intake a high carb GI shake post workout. Here is my food schedule every single day

6am

40g protein, 40 g carbs, 9 g fat

This goes on @ 9, 12, 3, post workout shake @ 730 ish when back from gym

60g p, 120 high GI carbs

eat again last meal @9, no carbs

How can I take my ala with that setup in order to maximize results, get the most pump, before and after gym? and how much should I take?

I was thinking like 1 pill or so pre-workout (how long before should I take...like an hour?) and then 2-3 with my post workout shake?

ANy help would be greatly appreciated

 

[Ulter]

6am

40g protein, 40 g carbs, 9 g fat 1-2 caps

This goes on @ 9, 12, 3, post workout shake @ 730 ish when back from gym

60g p, 120 high GI carbs 3 caps

eat again last meal @9, no carbs Capless

How can I take my ala with that setup in order to maximize results, get the most pump, before and after gym? and how much should I take?

I was thinking like 1 pill or so pre-workout (how long before should I take...like an hour?) and then 2-3 with my post workout shake? You should take it 10 minutes before your workout. If you take a carb up drink then 3 caps, otherwise 1-2. If you take the 3 then you won't need it post workout. If you don't then 2 post workout.

 

[beefybull]

Since r-ALA is basically twice as effective as regular ALA, you'd just need to use half of your standard ALA dosage. It's that simple. (This is due to the fact that normal ALA is a mixture of r-ALA and s-ALA and should always, in theory, be a 50/50 mixture)

So if you were using 3g daily of ALA before you bought r-ALA, then use 1.5g daily of r-ALA. This is where you say "Shit that's going to be expensive" and you're right. Until r-ALA is cheaper or I become rich, its not for me.

Of course r-ALA is a quality product and as far as supplement companies go, Anabolic Fitness is a good one. But until a more effective way of seperating the r-ALA portion is found, Ulter decides to drop his prices, or competition forces them down, its probably not worth paying that much extra for the r-ALA unless you're rich and afford to throw the extra $ at it.

The cheapest non-kilo/huge amount price I've found on ALA is Beyond-a-century.com which has 50g of ALA (powder) for $16.50. Iceman on this board has 500mg caps for $0.20, which makes 50g $20.00 from him. I havent ordered from him so I dont know his service but I've heard it's been good after he got his initial start-up problems fixed.

Anyways, if you havent had prior experience with ALA, you'll have to experiment with your dosages. 1-3g daily (normal ALA) has been found to be a great dosage for most people.

Taking it before you work out isnt for everyone. Some people have acid reflux problems and this can increase them (remember that ALA is an acid).

 

[dmginc00]

This may seem dumb, but how long before eating should I take the pills. I know that eating food will slow the absorption of the pill, so should I take the pills like 10-15 before consuming the carbs?


Also, ulter....sinec you I have some other AF products, I was thinking of doing NYC/YOHimburn stack for fat loss...with ECA

I know this has bene posted before but just confirm for me if this sounds good please.

2 wks.....NYC 2-4 caps/day YOHIMBURN, 1/4 pipette each handle and 1/2 pipette pecs 5 on 2 off

2 wks ECA 6 caps/day..yohimburn the same way

Should I take the NCY prior to working out, in the morning, what is the optimal way to do that.

Thanks,
DMG

 

[Ulter]

There is only one way to make r-ALA and that method is patented by a company that is seeking to make it prescription only. Guess what you'll pay then.
The price is not likely to go down and competition is even less likely until the price goes up. The competition isn't going to sell it at a loss and there is no room to lower the price without sacrificing quality controls.
There are 300 people on this board using it. Maybe I didn't realize how many rich people there were on this board but I think it's more likely that these people would just rather buy the more effective quality product. Like I have said before most the people here don't shop in the generic food aisle to save a couple bucks. They buy quality.
Taking it pre workout is no problem. Keep in mind r-ALA unlike ALA is already produced in your body. You are just adding more.

 

[Ulter]

This may seem dumb, but how long before eating should I take the pills. I know that eating food will slow the absorption of the pill, so should I take the pills like 10-15 before consuming the carbs?

You can take it 10 min before or even just before eating. It is in your system in under 10 minutes.


Also, ulter....sinec you I have some other AF products, I was thinking of doing NYC/YOHimburn stack for fat loss...with ECA

I know this has bene posted before but just confirm for me if this sounds good please.

2 wks.....NYC 2-4 caps/day YOHIMBURN, 1/4 pipette each handle and 1/2 pipette pecs 5 on 2 off
Right

2 wks ECA 6 caps/day..yohimburn the same way
Right

Should I take the NCY prior to working out, in the morning, what is the optimal way to do that.

Take it throughout the day. Start with 1 am and pm then 2 am and 1 pm then 2 and 2 and so on. I would take them before your workout if that fits your schedule. Some guys train at night and you don't want to be taking them at night if you want to sleep.

 

[dmginc00]

Thank you for your help

 

[Fonz]

There is only one way to make r-ALA and that method is patented by a company that is seeking to make it prescription only. Guess what you'll pay then.
The price is not likely to go down and competition is even less likely until the price goes up. The competition isn't going to sell it at a loss and there is no room to lower the price without sacrificing quality controls.
There are 300 people on this board using it. Maybe I didn't realize how many rich people there were on this board but I think it's more likely that these people would just rather buy the more effective quality product. Like I have said before most the people here don't shop in the generic food aisle to save a couple bucks. They buy quality.
Taking it pre workout is no problem. Keep in mind r-ALA unlike ALA is already produced in your body. You are just adding more.

R-ALA CANNOT be patented as it is NATURALLY OCCURRING
and NOT a hormone. It is in fact in the class of B-Vitamins.

Look up the Hatch Act in relation to this.

The only exemption to this is GHB...........in its case they passed legislation
to override the Hatch Act.

Fonz

 

[SofaGeorge]

R-ALA CANNOT be patented as it is NATURALLY OCCURRING
and NOT a hormone. It is in fact in the class of B-Vitamins.

Look up the Hatch Act in relation to this.

The only exemption to this is GHB...........in its case they passed legislation
to override the Hatch Act.

Fonz

Fonz, they don't patent the substance... they patent the process for making the substance.

Unfortunately, by patenting the process they show everyone else how to make it and people knock it off fast... even if the knock offs are sub grade.

An interesting example of the smart reason not to patent the manufacturing process is CoQ10. The company that makes the raw material never patented the process, hence, no one has been able to knock them off. Today - one company controls ALL of the raw material for CoQ10 worldwide... simply because they have never patented it.

 

[Ulter]

Like he said, I didn't say they patented the substance. It's the process for making it bro.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

there are several USE patents as well... but they relate to its use in a prescription setting.. (which is why they may be pushing for prescription only).. though it is unlikely to happen (but it did happen in germany)

 

[SOLID]

[You should take it 10 minutes before your workout. If you take a carb up drink then 3 caps, otherwise 1-2. If you take the 3 then you won't need it post workout. If you don't then 2 post workout. [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

Ulter- I'm a little confused now. I thought that the r-ala has a very short half life (around 30min) so why would you not take more pills postworkout if you took them prior to working out. Wouldn't they be metabolized already?

And you are just taking the pills prior to working out for an extra pump correct? And to help shuttle carbs if your drinking a carb drink while training right? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

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[Ulter]

Ulter- I'm a little confused now. I thought that the r-ala has a very short half life (around 30min) so why would you not take more pills postworkout if you took them prior to working out. Wouldn't they be metabolized already?

No it's more like 90 minutes so it will still be active when you finish and take your post shake.

And you are just taking the pills prior to working out for an extra pump correct? And to help shuttle carbs if your drinking a carb drink while training right? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

That's right

 

[Fonz]

there are several USE patents as well... but they relate to its use in a prescription setting.. (which is why they may be pushing for prescription only).. though it is unlikely to happen (but it did happen in germany)

If it becomes prescription......the price will probably go up
by a factor of 10.(No joke)

Look up the GL-701 vs DHEA debacle......

The FDA is a piece of SH*T. As long as the pharmaceutical
company shells out a couple of million for some fund
or other, any good supplement is in jeopardy of getting
changed to prescription.

Fonz

 

[SofaGeorge]

If it becomes prescription......the price will probably go up
by a factor of 10.(No joke)

Look up the GL-701 vs DHEA debacle......

The FDA is a piece of SH*T. As long as the pharmaceutical
company shells out a couple of million for some fund
or other, any good supplement is in jeopardy of getting
changed to prescription.

Fonz

Fonz, Hatch-richardson and DSHEA pretty much protect us from that happening. The FDA is on notice that they are 'hands off' on the health supplement market... besides Kessler had his ass kicked out of office.

 

[SOLID]

Ulter- I'm a little confused now. I thought that the r-ala has a very short half life (around 30min) so why would you not take more pills postworkout if you took them prior to working out. Wouldn't they be metabolized already?

No it's more like 90 minutes so it will still be active when you finish and take your post shake.

And you are just taking the pills prior to working out for an extra pump correct? And to help shuttle carbs if your drinking a carb drink while training right? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

That's right

tanx big guy LOL!!!



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[Lumberg]

this is an awesome thread.

 

[drveejay11]

this is an awesome thread.

with some f'ing show-offs on it!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

 

[beefybull]

There is only one way to make r-ALA and that method is patented by a company that is seeking to make it prescription only. Guess what you'll pay then.

-Insurance co-pay...as Master P would say "ughhhhhhhh!"