QV Equipoise Mystery

[Nutrient-Nut]

With all the mixed reviews of reported results of QV EQ, it's hard to really know what the hell is going on with QV Equipoise - is it good or bad. This is complicated by the fact that most people that use it, stack it with one-two other drugs in their cycle.

My question is: Has anyone on this beautiful Anabolic Discussion Board used QV EQ in a cycle completely by itself? And if so, what were your results?

NN

 

[lawnsaver]

I have not used it by itself, but I have used multiple brands of EQ. To be honest, the one cycle I used QV EQ, I wasnt impressed. I wasnt impressed by TTokkyo either. I was impressed by a 10cc 50mg/cc bottle called boldenon from Argentina. I had to shoot multiple times a week, but my results were solid!

 

[DangerousGrounds]

I never used it alone but incuperated or added in stack of tests and it did leave side effects normally assocated with EQ.
I got little bumps on my arms, which usually I get with deca or good E.Q.
It also seemed to boast my appetite a lot but really hard to say when stacked with other tests if it were specifically from the QV, EQ..
I would do it again.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

Thanks for replys, but I'm still looking for someone that has ran QV EQ solo in a cycle.

Hello...

NN

 

[Lift Chief]

For my first cycle i ran it solo for 8 weeks before i added some test because i was getting poor results from the QV EQ. I gained maybe a couple of pounds and had a very slight strength gain. I honestly noticed no real difference between being on the damn EQ at 400mg EW and lifting natural.

I also was taking in 300+ gms of protein a day and sleeping at least 8 hours a night so i know that wasnt the problem. I would not use it again- although i may try boldenon.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

well fuck then! me and NN were going to do EQ only cycles (with winny added in probably) next time around. looks like this sucks for us. back to the drawing board unless someone has positive responses. i could have sworn this EQ had a good rep.....

 

[MikeyG]

I'm currently on QV EQ and QV Test--- I'm on week 8 1/2 and I've gone up 20 lbs, but I weighed myself today and damn, I've lost 3-4 pounds already! I'm pissed as hell. Maybe I'm not eating enough or so--- but, I'm not exactly expericing any EQ results-- such as Mad Pumps, or increased hunger etc.

 

[Lift Chief]

well fuck then! me and NN were going to do EQ only cycles (with winny added in probably) next time around. looks like this sucks for us. back to the drawing board unless someone has positive responses. i could have sworn this EQ had a good rep.....

I don't know bro this is just my experience. I heard lots of good things about QV EQ myself before i started my first cycle, but then when i started i was very disappointed. I've heard a lot of people like it and a quite a few don't. I don't know what's going on

 

[Golfer18--old]

I have ran QV, TT, and IP. IP worked the best. It was no ester. Felt like I injected fire. Never again.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I don't know bro this is just my experience. I heard lots of good things about QV EQ myself before i started my first cycle, but then when i started i was very disappointed. I've heard a lot of people like it and a quite a few don't. I don't know what's going on

i got the super duper new batch with the 04 date. maybe that is the improved formula. lol. lets hope so....i take care of my arms now for red spots and all, and i am vascular as hell in my arms already, but i guess i can look for the hunger.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

I don't know bro this is just my experience. I heard lots of good things about QV EQ myself before i started my first cycle, but then when i started i was very disappointed. I've heard a lot of people like it and a quite a few don't. I don't know what's going on

This is exactly what I'm talking about...WTF is going on? I've never seen such a wide variety of experiences with any other brand or drug for that matter. I talked to lots of Elite bros on this board some time ago and many had mixed feelings about QV EQ...some love it and rank it as some of the best EQ that they've ever done and then others claim that it is shit and a waste of money. How can it be so BLACK & WHITE?

NN

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

This is exactly what I'm talking about...WTF is going on? I've never seen such a wide variety of experiences with any other brand or drug for that matter. I talked to lots of Elite bros on this board some time ago and many had mixed feelings about QV EQ...some love it and rank it as some of the best EQ that they've ever done and then others claim that it is shit and a waste of money. How can it be so BLACK & WHITE?

NN

funny thing, my experience with asking around before purchasing was all thumbs up. now all of a sudden...mid-cycle there is a debate. man alive! then there was the 50mg anavar that a few raved about that me and gilly's batch tested out at zero. jesus! goddamn fake gear! not that QV is fake BTW.....just ranting on the "not knowing factor" with this stuff.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

It's frustrating as hell! I'm going to do it anyway (QV EQ & Winstrol) for 8 1/2 weeks starting around the end of January. I will just have to do the old Trial & Error with it myself. I'll make sure to post my results.

NN

 

[Beezers]

This is exactly what I'm talking about...WTF is going on? I've never seen such a wide variety of experiences with any other brand or drug for that matter. I talked to lots of Elite bros on this board some time ago and many had mixed feelings about QV EQ...some love it and rank it as some of the best EQ that they've ever done and then others claim that it is shit and a waste of money. How can it be so BLACK & WHITE?

NN

It's impossible to subjectively quantify the dose/quality/purity and not to mention, the effect, of a product based soley on anecdotal observations, or "gym lore experiments" that we so commonly are bombarded with on these discusion boards. The are simply too many factors, both extrinsic and intrinsic, that afffect the outcome/results of the use of various products. Results aren't the end product of the drugs(brands) used. They are a combination of many factors that are so loosely standardized between individuals that there is simply no way to obtain a truely valid assesment of the product unless said product undergoes certified lab testing. Basing product quality on peoples results(hear-say) is like saying Jupiter is the same as Earth because they are both planets. The factors determining cycle outcome are so diverse from person to person that it cannot be measured subjectively. Therefore you cannot base your decision, or formulate a conclusion based on other peoples results. Now, obviously something needs to be said about laws of statistics. One can take into account other peoples personal results and begin to form an educated hypotheseis, but it still remains hypothetical ubtil you have concrete evidence of product composition. Don't base your ideas around others experiences. Do gather "field" data, which in reality is about all we have in this underground market of ours, to make your decisions, but also acount for the very large margin of differentiation between one persons results and anothers. There are far too many factors that contribute to a successfull cycle that go far beyond the brand of product in use. Weight these factors in when formulating your "reactive opinion" of a product.

- genetics
- diet
- training
- recuperation
- lifestyle
- accompanying drugs (ex. test/EQ.dbol stack)
- ancilary drugs
- exogenous chemical compounds
- politics(between companies/distrubutors/sources
- ect. ect. ect.

The list of factors that bring about ones subjective interperetations of drug ptency can literally go on for pages and pages. All we really have is ratios(success/failure), anecdotal "evidence" and personal accounts to base our decisions off of.

 

[flexed1]

First off I have many times. Why? because it offers me slow solid gains and I hate to bulk and keep within 12-15 pounds of show weight when doing a show year.

Why the confusion? Easy if you ask me at 4 weeks eq increase vascularity and strength but not much in muscle gains and weight. Thats why most give up on it. Its not d bol, test, anandrol or the likes. Its a slow acting compound that builds slow quality muscle over the period of a cycle of say 10 weeks you amy gain 8-12 pounds.

It amkes me hungry at week 1 though it always subsides. ANothe reason is most taking it are to be nice bulked. How the fuck can one see vascularity with 15% bodyfta or higher? These are the same folks who use winny and bitch. I guarantee those who are not happy are somehwere in the groups above. To me its my FAVORITE compound by itself and its even mor ekiler with deca.

 

[Metal Gear]

Past experience with high dosed EQs have proven that they are all bull shit. The only EQ worth buying are Denkall's Ultragan 100 and any of the 50mg EQ like Forth Doge, Genabal, etc. .. If it was possible to put 200mg of it in 1 cc Denkall would have done it by now, because they are the best company down in mexico right now. Just my .02 cents

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

First off I have many times. Why? because it offers me slow solid gains and I hate to bulk and keep within 12-15 pounds of show weight when doing a show year.

Why the confusion? Easy if you ask me at 4 weeks eq increase vascularity and strength but not much in muscle gains and weight. Thats why most give up on it. Its not d bol, test, anandrol or the likes. Its a slow acting compound that builds slow quality muscle over the period of a cycle of say 10 weeks you amy gain 8-12 pounds.

It amkes me hungry at week 1 though it always subsides. ANothe reason is most taking it are to be nice bulked. How the fuck can one see vascularity with 15% bodyfta or higher? These are the same folks who use winny and bitch. I guarantee those who are not happy are somehwere in the groups above. To me its my FAVORITE compound by itself and its even mor ekiler with deca.

cool bro, cuz i got hungry as fuck at week 1.....and i am seeing vascularity here at week 4 or so, and even before that. like you said though, i have average BF....and low forearm and back BF, so i see the veins big time. i think its like you said, its like anavar...slow gains that come to you by the end and everyone bitches at midpoint that they got nothing. i used dbol (as well as sust) along with it....so as long as it gives me some synergy with the other compounds i'll be happy. i will be on fina for 8 weeks right after i get off dbol (bridging with fina to my clomid for three extra weeks) and EQ/SUST for 5 of those weeks coming up soon, so should see some mad ass vascularity and muscle gain coming up very soon.

 

[Jguns]

Beezers is absolutely correct.

At any rate, the only place I have ever heard "mixed results" of QV products is on Elite. I have been running QV Test E, and QV Boldenon for 12 weeks now and I have gained 40 pounds... something is apparently working.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Beezers is absolutely correct.

At any rate, the only place I have ever heard "mixed results" of QV products is on Elite. I have been running QV Test E, and QV Boldenon for 12 weeks now and I have gained 40 pounds... something is apparently working.

lol. yeah, we need to rename EF "bizzaro fitness world". lotta myths and bullshit talk here.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

Past experience with high dosed EQs have proven that they are all bull shit. The only EQ worth buying are Denkall's Ultragan 100 and any of the 50mg EQ like Forth Doge, Genabal, etc. .. If it was possible to put 200mg of it in 1 cc Denkall would have done it by now, because they are the best company down in mexico right now. Just my .02 cents

Metal Gear, I've heard that QV and Denkall Ultragan EQ are made in the same place. I don't know if it's true, but I read it somewhere coming from a steroid guru in a questions and answers column of some steroid site.

NN

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

Metal Gear, I've heard that QV and Denkall Ultragan EQ are made in the same place. I don't know if it's true, but I read it somewhere coming from a steroid guru in a questions and answers column of some steroid site.

NN

I just found this on the Testosterone magazine site to back up my previous quote.
NN

The Scoop on Quality Vet

Q: Know anything about the new company called Quality Vet? Is this a legit Mexican company or a bootlegger? Reports seem good so far, but then again, Ttokkyo had a great reputation at first, too.

A: Yes, I do have some info on Quality Vet and the reports are good for a few reasons. The main reason being the fact that Quality Vet is indeed the same as Denkall. What I mean is that they're both manufactured in the same place, with the same ingredients, same standards of sterility, etc.

This is somewhat of a common practice with many companies. What they'll do is create two lines of products, one which has a brand name that's highly established in terms of quality and things of that nature, and another line which is essentially a "generic" version. They're of the same quality but one brand sells much cheaper than the brand name. When companies do this, they tend to "corner the market," so to speak, by getting both those customers that only want the "brand name" as well as those that want very cheap products that are of good quality.

So, with that being established, I highly doubt this will become another Ttokkyo scenario, where the company initially produces high quality products, but then lowers the quality in order to increase profits. Denkall's products are manufactured in a Mexican lab that meets standards for production of human pharmaceuticals. They also have in-house as well as independent testing of products for quality.

Below is a list of products that are either currently available or soon will be available either from Denkall or Quality Vet.

Quality Vet Products:

Bold QV — 200mg per ml, 10ml bottle (Boldenone Undecylenate)

Deca QV — 300 mg per ml, 10ml bottle (Nandrolone Decanoate)

Deca QV — 200 mg per ml, 50 ml bottle

Test QV — 200 mg per ml, 10ml bottle (Testosterone Cypionate)

Test Propionate — 100 mg per ml, 10 ml bottle

Testosterone Enantat (enanthate) — 250 mg per ml, 10 ml and 50 ml bottles

These four products will be coming out this week from Denkall:

D-bol — 10mg tablet of methandieone

Oximetalon — 75mg tablet of oxymetholone

Oxandrovet — 5mg tablet of oxandrolone

Stanazolic — 10mg tablet of stanozolol

Primobolan tablets, as well as injectable preparations, along with Test Suspension and Parabolan will also be available in the future.

Both QV and Denkall also have holograms. For a look at these, as well as batch numbers, go to AusVet.com or QualityVet.com.mx

In closing, they have my thumbs up and I'd highly recommend you try their products. After all, they're cheap and are of high quality, so what else can you ask for?

 

[Zyglamail]

Past experience with high dosed EQs have proven that they are all bull shit. The only EQ worth buying are Denkall's Ultragan 100 and any of the 50mg EQ like Forth Doge, Genabal, etc. .. If it was possible to put 200mg of it in 1 cc Denkall would have done it by now, because they are the best company down in mexico right now. Just my .02 cents

Actually EQ is allready a liquid at room temp and I have seen it 1000mg/ml so making it more concentrated is not dificult to do. With some AAS like prop and suspension it can be very difficult to get high concentrations but EQ is a snap.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I just found this on the Testosterone magazine site to back up my previous quote.
NN

The Scoop on Quality Vet

Q: Know anything about the new company called Quality Vet? Is this a legit Mexican company or a bootlegger? Reports seem good so far, but then again, Ttokkyo had a great reputation at first, too.

A: Yes, I do have some info on Quality Vet and the reports are good for a few reasons. The main reason being the fact that Quality Vet is indeed the same as Denkall. What I mean is that they're both manufactured in the same place, with the same ingredients, same standards of sterility, etc.

This is somewhat of a common practice with many companies. What they'll do is create two lines of products, one which has a brand name that's highly established in terms of quality and things of that nature, and another line which is essentially a "generic" version. They're of the same quality but one brand sells much cheaper than the brand name. When companies do this, they tend to "corner the market," so to speak, by getting both those customers that only want the "brand name" as well as those that want very cheap products that are of good quality.

So, with that being established, I highly doubt this will become another Ttokkyo scenario, where the company initially produces high quality products, but then lowers the quality in order to increase profits. Denkall's products are manufactured in a Mexican lab that meets standards for production of human pharmaceuticals. They also have in-house as well as independent testing of products for quality.

Below is a list of products that are either currently available or soon will be available either from Denkall or Quality Vet.

Quality Vet Products:

Bold QV — 200mg per ml, 10ml bottle (Boldenone Undecylenate)

Deca QV — 300 mg per ml, 10ml bottle (Nandrolone Decanoate)

Deca QV — 200 mg per ml, 50 ml bottle

Test QV — 200 mg per ml, 10ml bottle (Testosterone Cypionate)

Test Propionate — 100 mg per ml, 10 ml bottle

Testosterone Enantat (enanthate) — 250 mg per ml, 10 ml and 50 ml bottles

These four products will be coming out this week from Denkall:

D-bol — 10mg tablet of methandieone

Oximetalon — 75mg tablet of oxymetholone

Oxandrovet — 5mg tablet of oxandrolone

Stanazolic — 10mg tablet of stanozolol

Primobolan tablets, as well as injectable preparations, along with Test Suspension and Parabolan will also be available in the future.

Both QV and Denkall also have holograms. For a look at these, as well as batch numbers, go to AusVet.com or QualityVet.com.mx

In closing, they have my thumbs up and I'd highly recommend you try their products. After all, they're cheap and are of high quality, so what else can you ask for?

good research bro.

 

[Metal Gear]

That might be true guys, but I'm yet to hear good results that match the results that people have gotten from the 50mg versions of this product. You never hear anybody complain about Genabal for example, other than it's to many shots to be taken in a week, but I've heard too many complaints about the ttokkyo and QV EQ. Don't get me wrong, I love QV stuff, I'm using their 50cc 250mg/cc Test and loving it, but when it comes to EQ, I did my research on this and found that the 50mg products have better reputation than the 200mg/ml ones.