quickie b4 summer.. primo vs var

[grampa]

this will be my 2nd cycle (1st cycle was 3 yrs ago.. 250 sust wk + 200 primo).. i was losing hair on first cycle and think i may have gotten a little gyno(my doc claims no.. so maybe it's just a lil fat in my chest)

i've been eating very high protein and zero carbs for 3 weeks now and have lost 12 lbs ... almost all fat as far as i can tell b/c i'm looking alot more cut and my reps are still the same.

i want to do a 'clean and safe' quick little cycle before summer

i'm planning on either
200-400 primo wk for 8wks
or
20-25mg's var daily for 6-8 weeks

there isn't too much difference in price for the cycles(obviously the var is more)...

which to go with? i'm assuming the primo will be better on my liver.... the var will be better on my hairline...

obviously i'm afraid of getting fakes with the var as i hear they're being widely faked in my area

my goal is to continue cutting while trying to gain 6-8lbs of clean muscle

at those dosages with those 2 choices of gear i shouldn't need any other stuff right (clomid, nolvadex...etc...etc) i will be taking propecia as i already do ever since my last cycle

thanks for your help!



btw i'm 24 yrs old, 5' 10" 170lbs and around 12% bf

 

[Ganryu]

I would be more concerned with fake primos. . If you can get the primo, I would run that, depending on how it affected your hairline last time. If you are going to do a 17aa only cycle, IMO var is the one to do it with. Just make sure you have some tyler's/milk thistle. I would still have nolva on hand for PCT, as you don't want to lose any of your gains.

 

[grampa]

i always assumed the sust made my hair fallout last time and not the primo... hmm

it sux buying primo or var b/c they're so damn expensive ... so if you get fakes you're f*cked


thanks for your reply... which of the two would be better for cutting (mainly clean diet .. not much cardio) and still putting on some muscle?

 

[Ganryu]

Yeah, prolly the Sust on the hairloss (misread, sorry). Go with the var if you want to spare muscle and lose fat. Keep your protein VERY high, and you will be good to go.

 

[grampa]

cool... and get nolva for after i stop the var?

do you think i should use 20 or 25mg's var per day? 6 or 8 wks?
when to start nolva... ? how much per day? for how long?


thanks bro!!


6-8 lbs of muscle with very high protein diet should be feasible right?

 

[grampa]

the ironic thing is i already have converted fina.....


but i don't trust it with my hairloss and potential gyno sensitivety... otherwise i'd be all over it

 

[tzan]

I have ran both two different summers when cutting up. I got good results from both, but I deffiantly liked the var a little better. I am prone to mpb and the primo did make me shed quite a bit. If you have the money I would deffinalty go with the var.

 

[Nucman]

I don't think you're eating enough(IMO), 5'10" and 170 is far from huge. I think with proper diet you could gain a ton more wt. Since money is a factor, how about EQ? Easy on the hairline, low sides, better results than Primo, rarely counterfitted, and a whole lot more cost effective. Just a concideration.

 

[grampa]

nucman.. i know i could get bigger by eating alone...


i go up and down in weight... put on 15-20 lbs by eating alone when i bulk.. but then think i'm fat and diet down (usually losing all the weight i just gained... or keep like 5lbs of it)

i guess i'm just being impatient since summer is here and as you said i'm hardly big... but it's hard to get big and get shredded all at the same time (enter juice)

and money isn't an option .... i just want 6-8 lbs clean muscle.. least sides... least injections per week


thanks for your reply!