questions about first cycle (winny)

[ShawnRS]

this is my first post but not my first visit to this board.. i have spent about 2 days trying to soak up knowledge from this site. Which i might add is a great site not many like it.

I have done searches and i am curious, stuff i just cant figure out especially since i am new to this entire steriod stuff.. i managed to get some winny for real cheap. i have never done a cycle before but i am looking for gains i do not want to put on 50 lbs by this summer or anything outrageous. I am a tall thin lean guy i am 6'1" and weigh in at 165 i have always been lean if i gain 10 lbs of lean muscle i'll be happy. I havent been to the gym in a while but if i am going back i want to go back dedicated not half way.

i probably have 30 shots at 1cc(50mg) my question is should i do it ed or eod. 30 shots ed wouldnt make to long of a cycle. so my questions are should i stretch it out or do it every day, also do i need to take any other supplements along with winny.
this is my first cycle so i dont think i want to stack this time. thanks for any answers i get any advice is welcome please dont flame the newbie

Shawn

 

[Apexx]

this is my first post but not my first visit to this board.. i have spent about 2 days trying to soak up knowledge from this site. Which i might add is a great site not many like it.

I have done searches and i am curious, stuff i just cant figure out especially since i am new to this entire steriod stuff.. i managed to get some winny for real cheap. i have never done a cycle before but i am looking for gains i do not want to put on 50 lbs by this summer or anything outrageous. I am a tall thin lean guy i am 6'1" and weigh in at 165 i have always been lean if i gain 10 lbs of lean muscle i'll be happy. I havent been to the gym in a while but if i am going back i want to go back dedicated not half way.

i probably have 30 shots at 1cc(50mg) my question is should i do it ed or eod. 30 shots ed wouldnt make to long of a cycle. so my questions are should i stretch it out or do it every day, also do i need to take any other supplements along with winny.
this is my first cycle so i dont think i want to stack this time. thanks for any answers i get any advice is welcome please dont flame the newbie

Shawn

What's up bro, welcome to the site.

I'd stick around longer than two days learning about this stuff before you decide to jump into it. Most people are going to tell you to stick with just test for your first cycle, which is very good advise. You're probably never going to see the gains that you do from your first cycle again. I wouldn't waste it on winny. That's just my opinion though.

Anyway, to answer your question. I'd get more winny and run it 50mg/ed
for 6 weeks. It has a pretty short half life. Running it that way would keep
your levels from fluctuating and you would see optimum gains as opposed to every other day.

You do know about PCT...........right?

 

[TheRide]

What's up bro, welcome to the site.

I'd stick around longer than two days learning about this stuff before you decide to jump into it. Most people are going to tell you to stick with just test for your first cycle, which is very good advise. You're probably never going to see the gains that you do from your first cycle again. I wouldn't waste it on winny. That's just my opinion though.

Anyway, to answer your question. I'd get more winny and run it 50mg/ed
for 6 weeks. It has a pretty short half life. Running it that way would keep
your levels from fluctuating and you would see optimum gains as opposed to every other day.

You do know about PCT...........right?

I agree w/ Apexx. Many will tell you to run test for your first cycle. My first cycle was EQ and winstrol for 8 weeks. I saw quality gains from it but I was lucky that I had fresh receptors back then. Had I known then what I know now, I would have run it different. The stock of winstrol you have simply isn't enough for a solid cycle. You could run it EOD. I have run 50mg wintrol like that several times but have always been stacking it w/something. 50 ED is an alternative but I think a 4 week cycle is a waste personally.

My advice to you would be to run a 10 week cycle that looks like - 8 weeks of test (enath is my favorite) and 6 weeks of wintrol. Start the wintrol at week 4 of your cycle and run it to week 10. That way you can jump onto you PCT regime immediatly after you finish the winstrol run. The two weeks between week 8 and 10 will allow the test to clear you system (for the most part) and running the winstrol for that time will keep some anabolics in your body. Hopefully jumping on PCT in this fasion will minimize you loosing any gains from have test levels supressed when you come off.

Also... reading for two days? Bro, no offense, that's nothing!

 

[boston basher]

Your def gonna wanna obtain some stuff for you joints.

 

[ShawnRS]

i have been on this site non stop for the past 2 days today being the third. trying to learn before i do something to my body that if abused wrong can cause damage.

So i should do a deca, test, and winny stack for my first time? I do think i have alot more reading before i go and take anything but asking is one of the best ways to learn. Plus asking about how to do your first cycle isnt something you really talk about on the street or in the gym to much. actually the less people that know the better.
Give me some good examples of good stacks for the first time. i am a tall lean/skinny dude. Putting on 10-25 lbs of muscle that i will keep would be nice.
Thanks

 

[Apexx]

i have been on this site non stop for the past 2 days today being the third. trying to learn before i do something to my body that if abused wrong can cause damage.

So i should do a deca, test, and winny stack for my first time? I do think i have alot more reading before i go and take anything but asking is one of the best ways to learn. Plus asking about how to do your first cycle isnt something you really talk about on the street or in the gym to much. actually the less people that know the better.
Give me some good examples of good stacks for the first time. i am a tall lean/skinny dude. Putting on 10-25 lbs of muscle that i will keep would be nice.
Thanks

deca/test/winny as a first cycle is not a good idea. Stick with 250-500mg of test for 10-12 weeks.

 

[ShawnRS]

i really wish i could do some searches.. i want to build some mass but i want to keep a ripped/lean look. i have this winny already which i guess i shouldnt of bought. i do live in a place i can obtain gear rather easily. it would be mex stuff but whats the diff.

if i remember right dbol/winny stack is a bad idea as well right? i think i am going to do test and winny stack.. I only have one guy i know locally that knows anything about this and he says test with winny would be good for me..thanks for your help fellas

 

[ShawnRS]

>double post<

 

[ShawnRS]

can people chime in.. my first cycle will be test and winny. Now it is my first cycle so if i am picking up more supplies i think i will pick up more winny to do a 8 week cycle of winny. as for test i am just going to try and grab as much as i can. any suggestions as to what else i need to do? i really wish i could just do some searches. but i rely on your responses for my information i will use an estrogen blocker if needed also.

if my winny is one 50mL container how many shots can i pull from it? 50 at 1cc each right? all these cc to mg to ml conversions are racking my brain

thanks

 

[Phaded]

you can use the search feature my friend its just easier to use when you are a plat member..

 

[Apexx]

can people chime in.. my first cycle will be test and winny. Now it is my first cycle so if i am picking up more supplies i think i will pick up more winny to do a 8 week cycle of winny. as for test i am just going to try and grab as much as i can. any suggestions as to what else i need to do? i really wish i could just do some searches. but i rely on your responses for my information i will use an estrogen blocker if needed also.

if my winny is one 50mL container how many shots can i pull from it? 50 at 1cc each right? all these cc to mg to ml conversions are racking my brain

thanks

check out this thread for conversions http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350588

I still wouldn't recommend using the winny for your first cycle. See how you respond to test and save the winny for the next cycle.
Anyway, pick up HCG to use in prep for your pct. Also, grab some nolv. U can use that as your estrogen blocker during cycle and for pct.

 

[ShawnRS]

thanks for the help apexx. so now i have to find nolva and hcg. might be a stupid question but the guy i have local helping me out never mentioned pct or anything i need to take. so where do i pick it up?
So apexx you are saying with just test alone i'll put on a good 10-25 and keep it? i guess the winny will just sit in my closet or be used right before summer in a short cycle to rip me up. i guess to mexico i go.
thanks again. what dose of test do you recomend for a first cycle tall skinny guy looking to put on some good mass.

thanks

 

[Apexx]

thanks for the help apexx. so now i have to find nolva and hcg. might be a stupid question but the guy i have local helping me out never mentioned pct or anything i need to take. so where do i pick it up?
So apexx you are saying with just test alone i'll put on a good 10-25 and keep it? i guess the winny will just sit in my closet or be used right before summer in a short cycle to rip me up. i guess to mexico i go.
thanks again. what dose of test do you recomend for a first cycle tall skinny guy looking to put on some good mass.

thanks

No problem bro,
Stick with just 500mg/wk of test for 10-12 weeks. 25lbs of lean muscle is a bit unrealistic, but I put on over 30lbs on my first cycle and kept about half of it. I didn't use any anti-e's so i had a good deal of water retention.
You can check out ancillaryguys.com for your pct products. Some use just clomid, some use just nolvadex, some use both. Clomid tends to turn some people into crying little girls.....literally. You won't know until you try it how it effects you. However, my advise it to stick with the nolv to avoid the possiblity. HCG is used to restore testicular size and function. This is important because atrophied nuts produce less test than normal size nuts.
I wouldn't take HCG without nolv though because it does have the potential to cause gyno. There a many ways to run your HCG, but I've found this way to be very effective.
Start the week of your last test shot and run for the next three weeks.
(so that would be the week of your last shot and the 2 following weeks before pct) 2500iu hcg every 5 days. / 20mgnolv every day (5 shots total)
Then start your pct:
40mg nolv for 7 days
20mg nolv for 14 days.

Let me know if any of this is confusing or unclear

 

[ShawnRS]

pretty clear again thanks for your help man it is much appreciated. nolva clomid and hcg isnt something i would have to smuggle around is it?

Shawn