Question, would you pay less for bootleg gear?

[BigAndy69]

I have access to World Products, never used them and never heard of them. It's from Canada...(lots of underground labs in Canada it seems.) Some people have started using the products.

The prices are about half what you would expect to see. (65 CDN for Deca!) I've been offered a gift and I'll have it tested to find out for myself if it's a good product.

Now on to the question:

Would you buy a less popular product for half the price you would normally pay for more popular gear?

Be honest...I can have it tested but most people don't have that luxury.

Deca/Test/dbol cycle at 400mg a week of each Deca and Test with dbol at 25mg ED for 10 weeks would cost under 300 canadian!!! lol. That's under 200 USD.

 

[Canuck4]

Well, why do people buy Ip gear?
Cause its prob the only thing they can get and its dirt cheap.

 

[Him1]

Thats one hell of a price, but, I don't know for sure what I'd do. I think I'd do it.

 

[bebaumax]

Yes.

When I consider the dosing and underfilling problems of all the mex gear, why the hell not? Unless you're going all out and getting human grade gear, to me everything else is the same. The little holograms don't impress me.
-B

 

[BigAndy69]

Well, why do people buy Ip gear?
Cause its prob the only thing they can get and its dirt cheap.

I think IP gear is (was?) popular because it was wasy to get. Most newbies can't find good sources so they get IP.

 

[xsnrg]

ive been reading up om WP and i think its good stuff.Only from what i have read.I wouldnt mint tring some myself.

 

[IPSON]

I have access to World Products, never used them and never heard of them. It's from Canada...(lots of underground labs in Canada it seems.) Some people have started using the products.

The prices are about half what you would expect to see. (65 CDN for Deca!) I've been offered a gift and I'll have it tested to find out for myself if it's a good product.

Now on to the question:

Would you buy a less popular product for half the price you would normally pay for more popular gear?

Be honest...I can have it tested but most people don't have that luxury.

Deca/Test/dbol cycle at 400mg a week of each Deca and Test with dbol at 25mg ED for 10 weeks would cost under 300 canadian!!! lol. That's under 200 USD.

Here is a good question...why would somebody pay more for bootleg gear? BL is more then what I pay for domestic QV??

 

[bebaumax]

Re: Re: Question, would you pay less for bootleg gear?

Here is a good question...why would somebody pay more for bootleg gear? BL is more then what I pay for domestic QV??

I think it's the thrill of not knowing what's in it.
-B

 

[BigAndy69]

Re: Re: Question, would you pay less for bootleg gear?

Here is a good question...why would somebody pay more for bootleg gear? BL is more then what I pay for domestic QV??

Yes, I was shocked at the prices on the site. Was it like 120 USD for 10ml EQ?!?

I think Mexican products should be put in the same category as bootleg gear.

 

[IPSON]

Re: Re: Re: Question, would you pay less for bootleg gear?

Yes, I was shocked at the prices on the site. Was it like 120 USD for 10ml EQ?!?

I think Mexican products should be put in the same category as bootleg gear.

yea, the probably should but I just don't see some guy making the shit at home as being the same as it being made by a vet. lab. QV is high quality gear and I almost always use human grade. Yes it was like $100-$110 for 10ml of EQ or you can save $10 by going with the 400mg/ml EQ for $190/10ml....

personally, I'll stick with my $85 QV EQ for 10ml until I see some test results from this bootleg joker.

 

[bebaumax]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Question, would you pay less for bootleg gear?

yea, the probably should but I just don't see some guy making the shit at home as being the same as it being made by a vet. lab. QV is high quality gear and I almost always use human grade. Yes it was like $100-$110 for 10ml of EQ or you can save $10 by going with the 400mg/ml EQ for $190/10ml....

personally, I'll stick with my $85 QV EQ for 10ml until I see some test results from this bootleg joker.

I'll sell ya some IP for $75.
-B

 

[IPSON]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Question, would you pay less for bootleg gear?

I'll sell ya some IP for $75.
-B

I'll just flush $75 down the toilet and get better results....(no abcess)

 

[liquidmuscle]

i would pay half the price for bootleg gear as long as it was tested independently, and is tested every other batch so we as consumers are aware of a lower mg batchs and dont have to worry about the crap shoot like Ip has

 

[kwik95gt]

personally, im more interested in sterility and proper dosaging. if those are ok, then a dirt cheap price tag makes it very attractive.

 

[Ingram]

If the stuff tests out ok I'd try it.

 

[bebaumax]

If the stuff tests out ok I'd try it.

I think you people are missing the point. Pretend this is IP. How many of you would use IP gear? Unless you have access to some very expensive equipment and some very knowledgeable people, you're going to have no idea what's in this gear. I believe that's the question BigAndy's asking. Would you use it, not knowing? Would you take the chance based on a 50% cost savings?
-B

 

[kwik95gt]

I think you people are missing the point. Pretend this is IP. How many of you would use IP gear? Unless you have access to some very expensive equipment and some very knowledgeable people, you're going to have no idea what's in this gear. I believe that's the question BigAndy's asking. Would you use it, not knowing? Would you take the chance based on a 50% cost savings?
-B

without any input on its quality, or others experiences, no i would not use it to save a few dollars. but i have heard of world products-not much but a few good things. there maybe some info over at rippedcanadians.ca

 

[genarr3]

I think you people are missing the point. Pretend this is IP. How many of you would use IP gear? Unless you have access to some very expensive equipment and some very knowledgeable people, you're going to have no idea what's in this gear. I believe that's the question BigAndy's asking. Would you use it, not knowing? Would you take the chance based on a 50% cost savings?
-B

That being the question, it's a definite no. Too big a risk, the money saved is not worth it.

 

[bebaumax]

That being the question, it's a definite no. Too big a risk, the money saved is not worth it.

And here I am.. if it's got oil, I'll try it.
-B

 

[mvmaxx]

Some people are broke asses and need the cheapest shit they can find, so yes there is a market for this whether anyone admits it or not. Others will save up, or have enough money, for higher quality gear.

 

[bebaumax]

Some people are broke asses and need the cheapest shit they can find, so yes there is a market for this whether anyone admits it or not. Others will save up, or have enough money, for higher quality gear.

Agreed. And there is always that market of, "I couldn't get anything else." And who knows, the gear might always work for you, in which case, why would you ever start paying the high prices for other gear?
-B

 

[BigAndy69]

I think you people are missing the point. Pretend this is IP. How many of you would use IP gear? Unless you have access to some very expensive equipment and some very knowledgeable people, you're going to have no idea what's in this gear. I believe that's the question BigAndy's asking. Would you use it, not knowing? Would you take the chance based on a 50% cost savings?
-B

Well that's not exactly what I meant. I wouldn't use IP if you gave it to me for free, waste of time and possible infection.

We know Ip is garbage,,, World products seems legit and the few people who've tried it said it was good.

 

[bebaumax]

Well that's not exactly what I meant. I wouldn't use IP if you gave it to me for free, waste of time and possible infection.

We know Ip is garbage,,, World products seems legit and the few people who've tried it said it was good.

Andy, I've got an entire board of people swearing by IP.
http://www.triedia.com/board/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=28

What you're asking is, "ok, if it's not IP, just because no one likes IP, would you use bootleg gear?" I just tried to clear up the question for people. I don't see how World Products is any different than IP, or hell, IMO, Spectro for that matter. Lots of people yell lots of different things for and against it.
-B

 

[xsnrg]

I haven't seen any test results for spectro and you don't hear to many complaints about it.I even doubted it so i had some winny tested,it came back positive.I wish that they would have done a mg/ml test but i was lucky enough to get that.I think its time that these underground labs get some independent testing done so that we can make an informed decision as to who we are going to go with.These guys are getting fat and its time the start showing some test result.

 

[bebaumax]

I haven't seen any test results for spectro and you don't hear to many complaints about it.I even doubted it so i had some winny tested,it came back positive.I wish that they would have done a mg/ml test but i was lucky enough to get that.I think its time that these underground labs get some independent testing done so that we can make an informed decision as to who we are going to go with.These guys are getting fat and its time the start showing some test result.

Absolutely, and IP's Winny has always tested good, 45mg+/tab. I'm not trying to be Mr. IP here, but I just don't understand why everyone is anxious to jump on ANY black market product EXCEPT IP, when IP is probably the MOST tested and MOST used out of all of them. For IP test results:
www.steroidlabs.com
-B

 

[Enock]

I'd risk it hell yeah.. Hell I don't mind so much if what I get isn't what I wanted for some things. So long as I figure it out and run it correctly.

 

[ryker77]

I really like being able to cross check the lot numbers and exp. dates. Just to make sure that I have a real product. Thats my main concern. If its under dosed then the word will be out and they'll loose money.

Do they have a web site--- what about this QV guy and good?

 

[BigAndy69]

We are not going to rehash the entire IP debate.

 

[noplay]

i just drool,,,,,,,,,, at the web sites with step by step instructions on making test ,i have wet dreams of standing in the kitchen ,whippin up a batch of good ole test,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ahhhhhhhhhh, wish i kney something about chemistry,,,,,,id test it out on my dog ,id give him so much test hed try 2 rape my othre dogs

 

[bebaumax]

i just drool,,,,,,,,,, at the web sites with step by step instructions on making test ,i have wet dreams of standing in the kitchen ,whippin up a batch of good ole test,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ahhhhhhhhhh, wish i kney something about chemistry,,,,,,id test it out on my dog ,id give him so much test hed try 2 rape my othre dogs

Yer fucked up.
-B

 

[jc21]

if you can have it tested then go for it....i wouldnt do it cause i dont have a way to test it. i will stick with the tried and true.

 

[bebaumax]

We are not going to rehash the entire IP debate.

Hey, Andy, I'm really not trying to rehash the debate, and I think most people realize that. I'm just pointing out that, in my opinion, underground gear is underground gear. And I find it strange that so many people are all set to jump on the "It's not IP-underground gear, so it must be good underground gear" bandwagon. Either way, to each his or her own.

Best of luck to all who use any of this stuff, and please DO keep us all informed of your results!!! Since we obviously don't everyone have test equipment, we have to trust each other to provide the best, and most honest feedback we can.
-B

 

[MohawkMuscle]

I would so hook me up...

With T3

 

[BigAndy69]

I would so hook me up...

With T3

Hey I'm sorry it didn't work out with the source but you've got to respect the fact that he doesn't take chances. He's pretty anal about how things should be.

Well, I disagree with you bebaumax on one statement...
"underground gear is underground gear"

There are a ton of underground labs and through users we can get feedback on how honest the people behind it are.

IP has proven himself to be less than honest when it comes to dosing...he's got no quality control and any remailer can underdose his product. When we started realising that his tabs didn't always worked, we have all the proof we need...

QV has been good so far, just a few negative comments on pain and underfilling, and the reviews on Spectro have been all good so far, aside from the cyp being thick.

BL has had some good reviews.

From what I've seen TT was good at one point but now I wouldn't use it if you paid me.

Valopharm is and always will be shit.

World Products? some people have used it and so far people seem to like it, but we don't have enough users to really make an accurate assesment(and I haven't had it tested.)

The truth is, I've had quite a few products tested, IP, TT, Spectro... but I never post it because the "tester" will never give me a copy of the actual lab analysis. He's not suppose to be doing what he's doing for me.

 

[ryker77]

BL looks to be some awesome stuff. I haven't heard a lot about it though.

 

[BigAndy69]

Okay, I talked to my guy and he can have the products tested...soon I'll know if it's legit

I've got some pics of the products, can any platimum members help me out? Ryker?

 

[ryker77]

bigandy-jpgfile.jpg

Bigandy asked me to post this... Makes me smile

 

[osujudoman]

Holy Shit that's a lot of gear! Is that the pic from World Products or did you actually buy all that???

lol... and if you're looking to unload any of it if it is....

- Judoman

 

[BigAndy69]

Holy Shit that's a lot of gear! Is that the pic from World Products or did you actually buy all that???

lol... and if you're looking to unload any of it if it is....

- Judoman

No brother lol, that ain't mine. How can I buy all that when I don't even know if it's good? That would be pretty stupid

I've already set up testing for the products. The lab is generously donating the gear for testing. That already says quite a bit about the legitimacy of the product.

They have:

Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 50 mg tablets - 100 per bottle
Dianabol 100-5mg tabs
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca) 200mg/ml - 10 ml vial
Testosterone Enanthate 200mg/ml-10 ml vial
Stanozolol(Winny) 50mg/ml-30 ml vial (snowballs 18 gu. pin needed)
Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra) 50mg tablet/20 tablets per bottle

Coming soon:
Parabolan, Propionate and Winstrol 50mg pills


I'm gonna have the Anadrol, Viagra, dbol, Deca tested for sure.

 

[BigAndy69]

Hey, Andy, I'm really not trying to rehash the debate, and I think most people realize that. I'm just pointing out that, in my opinion, underground gear is underground gear. And I find it strange that so many people are all set to jump on the "It's not IP-underground gear, so it must be good underground gear" bandwagon. Either way, to each his or her own.

Best of luck to all who use any of this stuff, and please DO keep us all informed of your results!!! Since we obviously don't everyone have test equipment, we have to trust each other to provide the best, and most honest feedback we can.
-B

Must have missed this post, sorry.

I'v actually had Ip Fina tested. The first time it came out at 91mg/ml. LOL actually overdosed. The second time it came out pretty low...I think it was ~50mg/ml.

The bottom line is he doesn't care about quality control and he cuts corner whenever he can. His products are a pain in the ass to use (literally) and you never know what your going to get.

You may get a great deal with IP or you may get ripped off.

There's nothing worse than running a cycle with fake gear...wasted time, wasted money on gear, food and just general frustration.

 

[manny78]

depends on the quality, the vials/labels. Since real test is cheap there's actually no reason to go into bootleg stuff. Same with dbols and some other products. Even Deca is not that expensive. Now winny, anavar, maybe parabolan, masteron are a different story.

 

[osujudoman]

Andy, what prices have World Products quoted you for the gear you listed? I'd be very interested in an alternative to IP winny and the prospect of parabolan coming back.

- Judoman

 

[BigAndy69]

Andy, what prices have World Products quoted you for the gear you listed? I'd be very interested in an alternative to IP winny and the prospect of parabolan coming back.

- Judoman

Well my prices are going to be different from most people. Why? Cuz I'm BigAndy69

Well, the source I use for other gear recently put it on his price list.

To the states:

****EDITED****SORRY I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THE WRONG IDEA. I'VE ALREADY GOT 'LIST ME' EMAILS (FROM AOL ACCOUNTS OF COURSE.)

**I will give you an example: the anadrol, 100 tabs, 50mg sells for $150

From what he's told me, he put it on his list but hasn't stocked up yet...waiting for test results from me.

 

[Nathan]

I'd use bootleg gear at least once if it has a good, solid rep and then make my own decisiona bout whether or not it is worth my while to try it again.

Also, I fuck sheep.

 

[bigAragorn]

ill pay less for everything if thats an option

the deca price youve quoted is interesting.....i would like to know how it tests out.....

 

[BigAndy69]

Shit, lab tests are going to be 150(canadian) for each product(was 80-100)...anyone interested in giving donations?

I'll have the following tested for sure:

Anadrol, Deca and Viagra.

 

[osujudoman]

I'll chip in for the tests, Andy. Drop me an email to let me know how you want to set things up.

- judoman

 

[jboldman]

 

[da big thinker]

ya...i'll help out too...hehehe

 

[BigAndy69]

Thanks guys...I've gotten quite a few emails about this so the testing will definetely take place.

I figured if the Anadrol comes out all right that should tell us if the lab is legit or not.

 

[ryker77]

Shit, lab tests are going to be 150(canadian) for each product(was 80-100)...anyone interested in giving donations?

I'll have the following tested for sure:

Anadrol, Deca and Viagra.

I'm in!

 

[BigAndy69]

osujudoman and riker, you both have mail.

Osu, I sent it to elite mail.

Thanks

 

[Dr.X]

Now this may be very pessimistic but what is keeping them from furnishing "samples" that they know are legit? Of course they're not going to give underdosed gear when they know its going to be tested. Also, even if they test out ok and we assume the rest of their gear is similar, we've all heard of examples (TT) of companies that started good and went to shit, and this seems to be even more common in underground labs.

 

[bigAragorn]

Now this may be very pessimistic but what is keeping them from furnishing "samples" that they know are legit? Of course they're not going to give underdosed gear when they know its going to be tested. Also, even if they test out ok and we assume the rest of their gear is similar, we've all heard of examples (TT) of companies that started good and went to shit, and this seems to be even more common in underground labs.

how do they know its getting tested?

 

[BigAndy69]

Now this may be very pessimistic but what is keeping them from furnishing "samples" that they know are legit? Of course they're not going to give underdosed gear when they know its going to be tested. Also, even if they test out ok and we assume the rest of their gear is similar, we've all heard of examples (TT) of companies that started good and went to shit, and this seems to be even more common in underground labs.

Yup, you're right. But the truth is they need at least a year of providing good products before they can start cutting corners and getting away with it.

They are just starting out, people are wary of trying there products. If they really want to succeed they should be overdosing there stuff at the start.

 

[BigAndy69]

UPDATE

Just received the package.

I'll send it out for testing in a couple of days.

Side note: I opened the viagra, the pills look like ephedrine HCL pills, no dye nothing. Some of it rubbed off my finger and I got a boner for like an hour. lol

Good sign I guess, we'll see.

 

[da big thinker]

Re: UPDATE

Just received the package.

I'll send it out for testing in a couple of days.

Side note: I opened the viagra, the pills look like ephedrine HCL pills, no dye nothing. Some of it rubbed off my finger and I got a boner for like an hour. lol

Good sign I guess, we'll see.

let's not jump to any "cock"illusions bro...we all know your peter don't work...lol

 

[BigAndy69]

lol@DBT