Question about kickstarting cycles with injectables

[Cal_21]

I'm contemplating using testosterone propionate to kickstart my 3rd cycle.
(cycle after next)

The cycle will be a testosterone enanthate cycle (500mg ew for 12 wks)

With the testosterone propionate kickstart should I use 100mg eod? Maybe 50 eod?

Should I only use 250mg of the enanthate while using the test p?

Basically I'm worried taking the 800mg of test for the first few weeks would be overkill and shut me down or damage my receptors since I'm so new to gear. How should i go about kick starting my cycle without overloading the test, while keeping my blood levels ideal at the same time?

I might just practice diligence (train hard, wait for it to kick in).

I'm deciding to avoid orals for the most part.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I'm contemplating using testosterone propionate to kickstart my 3rd cycle.
(cycle after next)

The cycle will be a testosterone enanthate cycle (500mg ew for 12 wks)

With the testosterone propionate kickstart should I use 100mg eod? Maybe 50 eod - YES?

Should I only use 250mg of the enanthate while using the test p NO - keep the 500mg ?

Basically I'm worried taking the 800mg of test for the first few weeks would be overkill and shut me down or damage my receptors since I'm so new to gear. How should i go about kick starting my cycle without overloading the test, while keeping my blood levels ideal at the same time?

I might just practice diligence (train hard, wait for it to kick in).

I'm deciding to avoid orals for the most part.

50mg eod would suffice for a kickstart. Which would add 150mg of test one week and 200mg the next. No real difference than adding 40mg ed of an oral.

Another option is to frontload the test but we are still talking overload.

Or finally wait it out (I never liked this one).

 

[perryscoon]

50mg eod would suffice for a kickstart. Which would add 150mg of test one week and 200mg the next. No real difference than adding 40mg ed of an oral.

Another option is to frontload the test but we are still talking overload.

Or finally wait it out (I never liked this one).

Agree with this. Waiting a month for gear to "kick in" is lame. Why wait when u can see "gains" in 3 days with test-p?

 

[Faizakafez]

Front loading is a process to saturate your receptors with the peak dose from week one to ensure stable blood levels instead of it taking several weeks to peak like most long esters,,

When you inject AAS regardless of the ester a certain amount is released over the next 24-48hrs the only thing the esters does is extends the half life of the AAS it wont slow down the first initial release of the AAS,, so after the the first release of the AAS as mentioned above the reminder is released over a certain amount of time up to the half life,

Why wait for you to feel the effects or for it to kick in around wks 6-7, you would be better of getting the blood androgen level up sooner,spiking and working so you feel the effects of the AAS, If you work out exactly the level of active testosterone and the esterized amount waiting to be activated you will see the advantage of front loading and the benefits -

The example i will show you is the first few weeks of a cycle what is not front loaded and one which is front loaded, please don't look to forward into the ester because its not really important to the final results other than dose difference, lets give an example of AAS with half life of 7 days -

Standard cycle of 500mgs per week

Week 1- 500mg used........After 7 days 250mg left - so active test delivered in that wk 250mg

Week 2 - 500mg used.......+ 250mg (left over) = 750mg - test active for that wk = 375mg

Week 3 - 500mg used.......+375mg (left over)= 875mg - test active for that wk=437.5mg

Week 4 - 500mg used........+437.5mg(left over)=937.5mg - test active for that wk=488.7mg

Week 5 - 500mg used........+488.7mg(left over)=988.7mg - test active for that wk=494.3mg

Week 6 - 500mg used........+494.3mg(left over)=994.3mg - test active for that wk=497.1mg

Week 7 - 500mg used........+497.1mg(left over)=997.1- test active for that week=498.5mg

And so on...............

Takes 7 weeks to get the full weekly dose of 500mgs

250mg in the first wk
375mg in the second wk
437.5mg in the third wk
488.7mg in the fourth wk
494.3mg in the fifth wk
497.1mg in the sixth wk
498.5mg in the seventh wk

Front loaded cycle of 500mg per week -

Week 1 - 1000mg used.......After 7 days 500mg left - so active test delivered in that week 500mg....bingo!!!!
Then back to the normal dose of 500mg per wk, job done!

By the end of the first week you will achieve the peak dose as opposed to the 7th wk of a cycle not front loaded, 1 wk or 7 wks for peak blood levels? no argument really, you will have the benefit of the gear kicking straight away,without doubt this is an excellent way to achieve your goals and get the full strength of the gear kicking striaght away,
Long esters and short esters can be used when front loading, long esters work better and should be doubled during the first wk of the cycle and the short esters should be doubled on the first day of the cycle but not that much in it tho!, this is due to the half life of short esters, a easier way around this would be - if you implement the rule of - with every standard dose you inject double each time you jab until you reach the first half life, this will ensure you wont go over the required amount and this will hit your peak blood levels in the first week, no unstable levels and straight away in the first wk you will be running the required amount,

 

[Cal_21]

50mg eod would suffice for a kickstart. Which would add 150mg of test one week and 200mg the next. No real difference than adding 40mg ed of an oral.

Another option is to frontload the test but we are still talking overload.

Or finally wait it out (I never liked this one).

That seems very sensible to me. I love the idea of orals. I just don't want to put added stress on my liver/kidneys. Maybe I'm wrong but I faintly remember reading that orals in general negatively effect bp more than injectables? Maybe that's complete b.s though.

Every once in a very long while I might want to harden up with a test/eq/var cycle to lean out.

 

[Cal_21]

Front loading is a process to saturate your receptors with the peak dose from week one to ensure stable blood levels instead of it taking several weeks to peak like most long esters,,

When you inject anabolic androgenic steroids regardless of the ester a certain amount is released over the next 24-48hrs the only thing the esters does is extends the half life of the AAS it wont slow down the first initial release of the AAS,, so after the the first release of the AAS as mentioned above the reminder is released over a certain amount of time up to the half life,

Why wait for you to feel the effects or for it to kick in around wks 6-7, you would be better of getting the blood androgen level up sooner,spiking and working so you feel the effects of the AAS, If you work out exactly the level of active testosterone and the esterized amount waiting to be activated you will see the advantage of front loading and the benefits -

The example i will show you is the first few weeks of a cycle what is not front loaded and one which is front loaded, please don't look to forward into the ester because its not really important to the final results other than dose difference, lets give an example of AAS with half life of 7 days -

Standard cycle of 500mgs per week

Week 1- 500mg used........After 7 days 250mg left - so active test delivered in that wk 250mg

Week 2 - 500mg used.......+ 250mg (left over) = 750mg - test active for that wk = 375mg

Week 3 - 500mg used.......+375mg (left over)= 875mg - test active for that wk=437.5mg

Week 4 - 500mg used........+437.5mg(left over)=937.5mg - test active for that wk=488.7mg

Week 5 - 500mg used........+488.7mg(left over)=988.7mg - test active for that wk=494.3mg

Week 6 - 500mg used........+494.3mg(left over)=994.3mg - test active for that wk=497.1mg

Week 7 - 500mg used........+497.1mg(left over)=997.1- test active for that week=498.5mg

And so on...............

Takes 7 weeks to get the full weekly dose of 500mgs

250mg in the first wk
375mg in the second wk
437.5mg in the third wk
488.7mg in the fourth wk
494.3mg in the fifth wk
497.1mg in the sixth wk
498.5mg in the seventh wk

Front loaded cycle of 500mg per week -

Week 1 - 1000mg used.......After 7 days 500mg left - so active test delivered in that week 500mg....bingo!!!!
Then back to the normal dose of 500mg per wk, job done!

By the end of the first week you will achieve the peak dose as opposed to the 7th wk of a cycle not front loaded, 1 wk or 7 wks for peak blood levels? no argument really, you will have the benefit of the gear kicking straight away,without doubt this is an excellent way to achieve your goals and get the full strength of the gear kicking striaght away,
Long esters and short esters can be used when front loading, long esters work better and should be doubled during the first wk of the cycle and the short esters should be doubled on the first day of the cycle but not that much in it tho!, this is due to the half life of short esters, a easier way around this would be - if you implement the rule of - with every standard dose you inject double each time you jab until you reach the first half life, this will ensure you wont go over the required amount and this will hit your peak blood levels in the first week, no unstable levels and straight away in the first wk you will be running the required amount,

So are you saying double the dose the first week, then return to the normal dosage?

Either way, thanks for this post. It was really informative, and it was cool to see the breakdown of the test levels week by week.

 

[Faizakafez]

yup...its pretty simple once understand it..

plus u can use any ester.. so shooting 1000mgs of prop can be subed with test e ( less shots less pain)

 

[Cal_21]

yup...its pretty simple once understand it..

plus u can use any ester.. so shooting 1000mgs of testosterone propionate can be subed with testosterone enanthate ( less shots less pain)

Awesome, thanks a lot bro. I'll give it a go on my next cycle too.


I want to use test p for little 6 wk stints here and there between longer/bigger cycles.