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Question about Gyno surgery.
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crash3837 said:
There's nothing "wrong" with removing the whole gland. The point is that it can still come back even if all the glandular tissue was removed. The thing to remember is that when you read these medical studies about the small percentages of gyno reoccurrences, that they are not including steroids as a factor. Steroids are one of the worst agitators of gyno and are not included as a variable in these studies. Therefore, I'd expect the percentages to be significantly higher.
Also, the only thing "wrong" or bad with having all of the glandular tissue removed is that sometimes it results in a sunken in nipple, which many do not want.
If anyone has any contact with a seasoned gyno surgeon (ie Dr Nadler in NY) ask him what the reoccurrence rate is for someone who uses steroids. It'd be interesting to know.
I had gyno as a teen, and they removed the whole lumpy deposit, as well as the fat. Yes there is a hollow spot behind the nipple. No, it doesn't bother me. Same story for a friend that had it. As for recurrance... I don't know. But I'll be your case study once I start my first cycle, of test.
mvmaxx said:
Well then... considering that I developed it naturally as a fat teen, I think I'm gonna run nolva through all through my 1st test cycle. I'm not going through that shit again. Pain, being disabled, numb nipples for years, risk of general anesthesia... needa get some liquidex I guess.
Peyomp said:
Really??
Most bros that have posted here have said it's a relatively painless process. Granted, there's some swelling and bruising but they say they were good in about a month. "Numb nipples for years???" ...scaryDescribe your ordeal. It only helps to inform others.
-Was it a general surgeon or plastic surgeon?
-How old were you?
-How long were you in the hospital for?
mvmaxx said:
Really??
Describe your ordeal. It only helps to inform others.
-Was it a general surgeon or plastic surgeon?
-How old were you?
-How long were you in the hospital for?
If there is only the lumps being removed, then they can usually just go in around the nipple and cut them out. Thats what they did to a friend when one lump was left after his surgery. If its just the lumps being removed, that probably doesn't hurt as bad, and if you do lose sensation in the nipples, it probably wouldn't be for years.
I was in my late teens, and a very good plastic surgeon performed the surgery. I was in the hospital overnight, but generally the procedure is carried out in the office of a plastic surgeon. I had my sinuses drilled too, so I was in the hospital and not an outpatient... although I'm not referring to the sinus pain and discomfort from that when I say that gyno sucks.
I had fist sized man titties from a hormonal imbalance at puberty. Its not uncommon among fat teenage males, whether they're obese or not. I've known some only slightly overweight non AS users that have had it. And the fat doesn't usually go away when they lose the weight, so the surgery is very common. They slim down, are left with man tits, and then get the surgery.
In my case, as in all (although there may be other techniques) advanced cases, because there was alot of fat around the hard lumps behind my nipples, they had to do lypo from an incision under my arms. Just below my armpits. They rake back and forth across your chest with the suction thing, and in the process do signifigant damage to the muscle underneath. Many holes are usually poked in the underlying muscle. This is why your chest hurts like hell for so long. I don't think this would be beneficial to someone that spent time on AS building those pecs up. But if you only need the lumps removed, and you don't have alot of fat buildup around them you need gone too... this damage probably doesn't apply to you. So if you have the lumps, cycle alot, and are getting more fat in the area... get it taken care of before they have to lypo the whole area and mess up your pec progress.
My downtime was longer from the sinus surgery than from the gyno. If not for the new holes inside my face, I think I would have been okay in 3 days. Thats how long a friend that had it was out for. Although longer would have been nice, I'm sure.
After the surgery you wear what we have jokingly referred to as a "bro" (bra for a man, haha) for a while. Like a month. This keeps the two surfaces of the inside wound together for better healing. Your chest does not like to be touched for this month. The pain is in the skin, on the outside... but there is also a deeper muscle pain that feels like a sprain or pull and lasts the whole time. I asked a friend who is a plastic surgeon about this, and he told me about the holes in the muscle that often occur at the end of a lypo stroke (as they go back and forth). Suction head goes right through, into the muscle. Those of you with massive pecs (mine were practically nonexistant at the time), you may want to tell the doctor that you want minimum damage to the underlying muscle and if he has to bill you for extra time to be extra careful, then so be it. Because if you need lypo with your gyno surgery, you could very easily be prevented from working your chest out properly for a month.
My gyno was unusual for a teen's, because I did have the lumps. I don't think most teens have them. They removed them along with the fat, and this left a hole, a little indention of low density tissue, behind my nipple. I couldn't feel my nipples for months, and I didn't get full sensation back for a year. Its been 4 years, and now they're like normal... except for a slight sagginess in the area. If you knew I had the surgery, you could tell that there used to be more tissue there. There's kind of a sagginess around the nipples. Although thats nothing I'm not going to fill out now that I'm in the gym 6 days a week. And I'm willing to admit that with proper exercise (after the tissue mostly healed), maybe my recovery would have been speedier, and my nipple appearance better. If you really want, I'll take pictures so you can tell what I'm talking about...
One thing I haven't seen people talk about... is that the procedure often requires a followup. In my case, the left has some more hard deposits (its like the fat scarred wierd), that are going to start showing up when I develop my pecs more (I've only recently gone from high rep-fat burning workouts to mass building ones). If I want my chest to look like some of you guy's avatars... I will probably require some follow up lypo. Although at this point 4 years later, its not really follow up. A friend that had it was left with unevenness, and they had to go back in (under local anaesthesia and sedation, not general this time) and cut out some fat from one side in order to give him a symetrical appearance.
I'm going on and on here... but having been an adolescent with man titties, its something that I vividly remeber. The surgery changed my life, so I'm glad to talk about it to others that may need it... from natural causes, or AS. One thing I'm surprised by is just how common this surgery is. If you're emberassed about getting it, DON'T BE... most plastic surgeons do many a week.
Anyways, I'm not a doctor, and I'm not trying to sound like one... I'm just a B- premed. But I've been around the plastic surgery my whole life. Heard stories round the dinner table, etc. I had the surgery, my best friend had the surgery, and this is what I know. Hope it helps some of you. Seems like some of you have passed it off as routine... and it CAN be. But certainly thats not the rule, if you let it get out of hand.
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karma your way my friend. Glad to hear that it went well for you. I was a fat kid till about 16 as well. puffy nips and shit. Still to this day not sure if I have gyno but, I got some chest fat that doesn't fucking go away no matter what... I've droped down to 8% and it's still chillin there. It pissed me off. I don't know if I want to get surgery(lipo or whatever) because I don't want to come out looking worse, at least my chest looks nice when I'm fucking cold and nips are hard. I don't want to have craters for nips or jack the ripper scars. I don't know of any good doc's in my area, I think it would almost be worth it to fly across the US to make a visit with Dr. Nadler, since the guy's a BB himself, and he know's what we want our chest to look like, symmetry and all. If you could post your pics that would be cool, to let us bro's see real after results. I'm also scared that if I get lipo then the skin will not suck back up tight and I'll have saggy skin. Thanks for your insightful post bro, good luck to you, keep training hard, my chest used to be nothing but fat, until I started to train about 6 years ago, and know I have some mighty pecs, it just sucks cause I don't want to show them off having that shitty lower chest fat and puffy nips. PEacE.
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