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Rookie08

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Hi everyone! I've been poking around this board for years (and thinking about AS for just as long) an I'm taking the next step.
The basics....
-Just got my hands on winny injectible and I'm looking for help with a cycle.
-I'm 6 foot, 245lbs.
-Linebacker for last 10 years (have that pretty thick - but muscular - physique)
-28 years old
-Lift 5 days a week, heavy=. cardio almost every day.
-I've been lifting for 15 years, and have reached my natural max. Stopped playing football this past year, and am ready to take it to the next level.

A friend told me a good way to start into AS was to take things alone - to see ow my body reacts. So - I've stocked up a winny cycle, but I am unsure of dosage. I was originally told 25mg every other day for 8 weeks - but from the boards lately, I'm thinking that's too low. 50 - every other? Please help!
Thanks guys! Can't wait to be on here more!
 
hard life said:
If you are going to use winny then I would do at least 50mg eod, preferably ed though.
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Do you suggest starting lower and increasing to 50 ed, or just jump right in?
Thanks for the advice.
 
at least 6 weeks, preferably 8-10. 50mg/day and 75mg/day Prop. I wouldn't run the Winny the whole 10 weeks though if you go that long. I'd just use from weeks 3-10.
 
You'll feel 50 mg's EoD pretty strongly I bet. Also, you can drink the stuff -- 50 mg ingested ED is about equal to 37ish mg's injected ED (this was discussed in a previous post) -- so you really don't lose that much from drinking it.

Also, if it's winny alone, be on the lookout for sore/stiff connective tissues. Winny alone sometimes really cripple you that way and it can take a while (i.e. 4-6 weeks) even after you discontinue use to recover.
 
first cycle would be better off doing test enth,cyp ,or sus 500mgs per wkfor 8-10 weeks ,thats 2 shots a wk nice and simple for the first time that way you can see how you react to gear if your set on running the winny do it with some test eod injections of winny are fine also
dont even start until you have all your pct supplies
 
tattoofever said:
first cycle would be better off doing test enth,cyp ,or sus 500mgs per wkfor 8-10 weeks ,thats 2 shots a wk nice and simple for the first time that way you can see how you react to gear if your set on running the winny do it with some test eod injections of winny are fine also
dont even start until you have all your pct supplies
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That's what I was going to suggest. Test is the way to go for first cycles.
 
mrplunkey said:
Also, if it's winny alone, be on the lookout for sore/stiff connective tissues. Winny alone sometimes really cripple you that way and it can take a while (i.e. 4-6 weeks) even after you discontinue use to recover.
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"cripple" is a reach.......




DIV

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swordfish151 said:
Bro, winny should not be your first cycle...you should save it and get your hands on some test first...
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California DOES know how to party, but Dr. Dre is severely geigh.....

Pac said it, I repped it......and now you gotta deal with it.



DIV

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DIVISION said:
California DOES know how to party, but Dr. Dre is severely geigh.....

Pac said it, I repped it......and now you gotta deal with it.



DIV

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I totally agree Division...Cali is the place to be and "THUG LIFE" is our national anthem!
 
swordfish151 said:
I totally agree Division...Cali is the place to be and "THUG LIFE" is our national anthem!
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THUG LIFE, Westside, Outlaws......

One Love, One Thug, One Nation.....




DIV

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DIVISION said:
"cripple" is a reach.......




DIV

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I use the word cripple a bit liberally...

In my case, "cripple" meant that instead of doing 315 touch-and-go for 5-6 reps, I couldn't do one pushup -- the connective tissues in my tricepts around my elbow just couldn't roll.

That, and the connective tissues in my knees wouldn't let me bound a single 30" hurdle on plyometrics day, when normally we do 8 passes of 8 hurdles at 33", then 8 more passes through them at 36".

But no, I wasn't "crippled"... just couldn't perform for crap.
 
mrplunkey said:
I use the word cripple a bit liberally...

In my case, "cripple" meant that instead of doing 315 touch-and-go for 5-6 reps, I couldn't do one pushup -- the connective tissues in my tricepts around my elbow just couldn't roll.
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My left elbow gets like that from time to time.......all I do is a warmup set of widearm pushups.....then stretch it for an extended period until it's loose.



DIV

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Thanks everyone for the advice. I was thinking about test - but I have been taking Creatine a long time, and a trainer warned me about my adrenals shutting down with the Creatine and then jumping into test. I also don't react well to "normal" testosterone swings. Kinda worried about that. Figured I'd see how I reacted to this first - then if I'm comfortable, maybe run
winny 4wks (1-4)
test + winny 4weeks (4-8)
and finish up with the winny alone for 2 weeks (8-10)

Just gonna stick to the win for now - but I have enough gear for ED. Gonna start EOD and move up after a few. Thanks for the tips.
Glad to be on the boards.
 
Rookie08 said:
Thanks everyone for the advice. I was thinking about test - but I have been taking Creatine a long time, and a trainer warned me about my adrenals shutting down with the Creatine and then jumping into test. I also don't react well to "normal" testosterone swings. Kinda worried about that. Figured I'd see how I reacted to this first - then if I'm comfortable, maybe run
winny 4wks (1-4)
test + winny 4weeks (4-8)
and finish up with the winny alone for 2 weeks (8-10)

Just gonna stick to the win for now - but I have enough gear for ED. Gonna start EOD and move up after a few. Thanks for the tips.
Glad to be on the boards.
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Only test for 4 weeks?
 
bro do your self a favor and hold off do some research what are your pct plans?
you waited this long why not wait a little longer until you can get a grasp as to what your about to do you at the least spend some time on this boards or others like it and go thru the old post's and articals dont just listen to what some guy in the gym might say you'd be surprised at some of the bad info that gets passed around .
 
that second plan with the test for 4 weeks was my friend's alternative to just the winny - since I am so nervous about the test.

Points taken though (about researching more.)

Thanks for everything....I'll keep u posted.
 
Rookie08 said:
that second plan with the test for 4 weeks was my friend's alternative to just the winny - since I am so nervous about the test.

Points taken though (about researching more.)

Thanks for everything....I'll keep u posted.
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eh Rook.....

It's pointless to take 4 weeks of test.....why run it at all if you're going to halfstep it?

I don't get your purpose.


DIV

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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Which one of them is still alive again? :p
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Pac is dead.....but his legacy and music is still here......

can't say the same about Biggie.....he had two albums and that was it.

Pac is basically the James Dean of Rap.......he trancends rap music...noone else in rap has done that.....or ever will.


DIV

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DIVISION said:
Pac is dead.....but his legacy and music is still here......

can't say the same about Biggie.....he had two albums and that was it.

Pac is basically the James Dean of Rap.......he trancends rap music...noone else in rap has done that.....or ever will.


DIV

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Holy shit, youre still on the boards...do you have a job? PS are you going for a record of posts in the shortest time period ever...LOL :p

Biggie had three...it was a double disk

Eminem has taken his shoes IMO
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Holy shit, youre still on the boards...do you have a job? PS are you going for a record of posts in the shortest time period ever...LOL :p

Biggie had three...it was a double disk

Eminem has taken his shoes IMO
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College is my job.....that's it.

Today was on off-day.....

I can pump out posts like a veteran, when I feel like it.

Eminem is a lyricist.....but he has no street credibility, that's why he'll never be considered one of the greats. Then again...filling Biggie's shoes isn't saying much when you consider he only had 3? albums...



DIV

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DIVISION said:
College is my job.....that's it.

Today was on off-day.....

I can pump out posts like a veteran, when I feel like it.

Eminem is a lyricist.....but he has no street credibility, that's why he'll never be considered one of the greats. Then again...filling Biggie's shoes isn't saying much when you consider he only had 3? albums...



DIV

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Off day for you huh? Shit you've probably had 1,000 posts niz.LOL

I don't think street credibility has anything to do with the fact that eminem's music is unique and his freestyle abilities, lyrics in general...he's just got talent. Don't get me wrong, Pac was my fav. too. But, there is only so much i can put up with listening to Pac over and over. Em and 50 coming out w/ shit all the time now, i just d-loaded the new 50cent ;)
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Off day for you huh? Shit you've probably had 1,000 posts niz.LOL

I don't think street credibility has anything to do with the fact that eminem's music is unique and his freestyle abilities, lyrics in general...he's just got talent. Don't get me wrong, Pac was my fav. too. But, there is only so much i can put up with listening to Pac over and over. Em and 50 coming out w/ shit all the time now, i just d-loaded the new 50cent ;)
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It all depends on what aspect of rap you like......

Different rappers have different strengths....

Eminem and 50 have great freestyle.......but as for thought process and actual meaning they are both lacking in substance.

Biggie had great flow in general and lyrical skill, but often he didn't have any message or any true theme.

Pac was the realest, the truest...and that's why people loved him.....he wasn't the biggest rapper, just the biggest star. Only Pac could kick it with Madonna and Sting by day and hang out at a club with the people at night.....no other rapper has that kind of love throughout racial, and economic boundaries...

I look at rap as an art form, and like anything it's gotta have meaning.....



DIV

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DIVISION said:
It all depends on what aspect of rap you like......

Different rappers have different strengths....

Eminem and 50 have great freestyle.......but as for thought process and actual meaning they are both lacking in substance.

Biggie had great flow in general and lyrical skill, but often he didn't have any message or any true theme.

Pac was the realest, the truest...and that's why people loved him.....he wasn't the biggest rapper, just the biggest star. Only Pac could kick it with Madonna and Sting by day and hang out at a club with the people at night.....no other rapper has that kind of love throughout racial, and economic boundaries...

I look at rap as an art form, and like anything it's gotta have meaning.....



DIV

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I'm downloading the gayest movie ever just to get the sample from "Pain" at the beginning of the song off Star Trek V :rolleyes:
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
I'm downloading the gayest movie ever just to get the sample from "Pain" at the beginning of the song off Star Trek V :rolleyes:
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I couldn't help but notice your pain.

It runs deep. Share it with me.....



DIV

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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
exactly you should see the movie, it totally ruins the song when you see these GLingons and shit ;)
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Pac used it for the sample.......he didn't care about the fuckin' movie.....

details.....details........



DIV

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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Holy shit, youre still on the boards...do you have a job? PS are you going for a record of posts in the shortest time period ever...LOL :p

Biggie had three...it was a double disk

Eminem has taken his shoes IMO
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Em is the shit, but Pac is untouchable, he was more like a prophet. Em is the most talented lyricist ever, I understand you gotta rep D-town
 
DIVISION said:
Pac used it for the sample.......he didn't care about the fuckin' movie.....

details.....details........



DIV

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the song is from the begining of Above the Rim, but you can't buy it, just go to lime wire and download it. that pussy ja sampled it and did the first verse with pac at the end, pissed me off.
 
bruce410 said:
Em is the shit, but Pac is untouchable, he was more like a prophet. Em is the most talented lyricist ever, I understand you gotta rep D-town
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Lil' Bruce be speakin' da truth.....nugga.

Pac is untouchable....in every way.....

There's no rapper past or present that can really touch him.

People try to say Biggie was on Pac's level.........pleassssssssse....People on the west coast don't like Biggie......People on every coast and in-between have love for Pac.....

Pac was the pinnacle, he had the rapworld in the palm of his hand.......too bad it all got derailed by some B/C gang bullshit.




DIV

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DIVISION said:
Lil' Bruce be speakin' da truth.....nugga.

Pac is untouchable....in every way.....

There's no rapper past or present that can really touch him.

People try to say Biggie was on Pac's level.........pleassssssssse....People on the west coast don't like Biggie......People on every coast and in-between have love for Pac.....

Pac was the pinnacle, he had the rapworld in the palm of his hand.......too bad it all got derailed by some B/C gang bullshit.




DIV

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True, true... Anybody that loves Pac is alright with me. DIVISION, man you my nugga!!! :)
 
Fellas please do not hijack someone else's thread; in the future I'm just going to delete this kind of thing. Take this to the chat.

Rookie08 - If you wish repost this.
 
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