question about first cycle

[daniel8396]

I'm new to this board and I have a question about my first cycle. I've been doing some research about the different types of AS, and I feel I am ready for my first cycle.(note: I've been working out for years off and on, but have been really working hard for the past year, I am 5'8" and went from 140 to 165 natural.) I'm wanting to take deca and sust followed up with nolvadex, but it was suggested to me that I take a really mild first cycle "just so the body gets used to it". So my friend gave me some sten (5). Do you think that his suggestion is right? Note: he also suggested one or two a week.

any advice is appreciated!
thx

 

[ZeroCool]

I'm new to this board and I have a question about my first cycle. I've been doing some research about the different types of AS, and I feel I am ready for my first cycle.(note: I've been working out for years off and on, but have been really working hard for the past year, I am 5'8" and went from 140 to 165 natural.) I'm wanting to take deca and sust followed up with nolvadex, but it was suggested to me that I take a really mild first cycle "just so the body gets used to it". So my friend gave me some sten (5). Do you think that his suggestion is right? Note: he also suggested one or two a week.

any advice is appreciated!
thx

I am sure you will get some good replies. First welcome to the board. I would stick with your Deca & Sust. That is a nice first cycle. How long did you plan on cycling for? Deca & Sust is a great first cycle maybe even throw in a few d-bol to kick things off with. I would say 500mg a week of Sust & 300mg a week of deca would be a great starting cycle.

 

[1Banshee]

Welcome bro!!
I would agree with the "friend" who told you to take mild first cycle!! Although what he is proposing may be to mild. Each vial of Sten contains only 100mg's of test (combination of propionate and cypionate. Each vial is 2ml's, which is alot of oil for such a small amount of test. Anway one or two vials would equal 100 - 200mgs per week. I believe the (5) you posted behind the sten means you have 5 vials correct? If so you will need considerably more!!
I would suggest going with a mild test / deca cycle (8 -10 weeks)as you stated early in your post!! Something along the lines of 250 - 500mgs pw of test, and 200 - 300 of deca pw. Also you will need to follow the cycle with Clomid, not Nolvadex. Nolva may be required for some during cycle to prevent estrogen related sides. At the dosages above it is unlikely you will have e related sides. Good luck!!

 

[ZeroCool]

Welcome bro!!
I would agree with the "friend" who told you to take mild first cycle!! Although what he is proposing may be to mild. Each vial of Sten contains only 100mg's of test (combination of propionate and cypionate. Each vial is 2ml's, which is alot of oil for such a small amount of test. Anway one or two vials would equal 100 - 200mgs per week. I believe the (5) you posted behind the sten means you have 5 vials correct? If so you will need considerably more!!
I would suggest going with a mild test / deca cycle (8 -10 weeks)as you stated early in your post!! Something along the lines of 250 - 500mgs pw of test, and 200 - 300 of deca pw. Also you will need to follow the cycle with Clomid, not Nolvadex. Nolva may be required for some during cycle to prevent estrogen related sides. At the dosages above it is unlikely you will have e related sides. Good luck!!

I would definitly not do only 5 amps of sten.......That is not enough..My first cycle was Deca and Sust and it was a great progressive cycle. Although Sten is human grade and it is not a bad choice but I would definitly pick up some more.

 

[bouncer]

What age are you ?, plus you went from 145 to 165lbs natural in a year so are you sure you've reached you natural limit ?. Sounds like you can grow somemore.
However it's been my experience that this advise goes unheeded by newbies, including myself when I started !.
A sust/deca cycle is nice for a first timer also, but I'd throw in the d/ball if you could afford it as it's money well spent.
Iron Game posted an excellent thread here a few days back regarding testosterone etc.. find it, read and read it again 10 more times.
Also you could have a look at Kronk's sticky on this board also.
There's so many variables in setting out a cycle for an individual that I'm always very reluctant to give it without knowing ALL the stats of the intending user.
I don't hold with the theory of using a small cycle for your first one "to get used to it", your first cycle should be your best one, sort'a like a first love !, so make the most of it with a moderate cycle. I have always liked Testo/deca/d.ball cycles @ 500mg/400mg/40mg respectively for 6-8 weeks. Look at dropping the d.abll at 4-6 weeks and there's no need to taper the long acting testo's and deca's.
Get your ancillary drugs before starting too, ie Nolva and Clomid.
Oh, sorry welcome to elitefitness.

bouncer

 

[Willyumyum]

Welcome to the board
A great first cycle stack is
sustanon or omnadren 250-500mg/week for 10 weeks
deca 300-400mg/week for 9-10 weeks
dianabol 25-30mg/day for the first five weeks
Clomid THREE weeks after your last shot of sustanon (or omnadren):
clomid day 1: 300mg, day 2-7: 100mg, day8-14: 50mg, day 15-21: 50mg every other day.

You will want an antiestrogen such as nolvadex, but more optimal would be arimidex or liquidex because they do not hinder gains like nolvadex does.

YUM

 

[gzeus69]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that you would have a great first cycle doing 500mg of Sust only for 8-10 weeks. I don't think you need to add the Deca or the Dbol or anything else for that matter. Follow the cycle up with Clomid. Adding more anabolics that the Sust certainly will not make you get smaller, but I don't think it will increase your gains in any dramatic way. Just my opinion.

 

[71olds442]

do the sust/500mg and deca/400mg for 10 weeks. split the injections up do 250mg of sust and 200mg of deca every mon and thurs. dont do a small first cycle, your first cycle is where you have the most potential to grow and youll also get the least amount of side effects during the first one. make it count! return the sten and go with your original plan, it will be SO much better

 

[BigAndy69]

First cycle, I would do 300mgs of Test a week for 8-10 weeks. Nothing more, aside from arimidex and clomid. No designer steroids, no stacks.

Just my opinion. Your friend is leading you in the right direction, your first cycle should be tiny, you will grow off anything. Dan Duchaines recommendation for a first cycle 600mgs a week of test, nothing else. This guy was considered very hardcore:


"Trust me on this one. IGNORE advice from every other expert. Do not consider synthetics, including pills like Dianabol and Anadrol 50. These choices may be appropriate at a later date, but they are not potent enough for that crucial first time. Creams, patches, analogs, precursors, and boosters are all VIRTUALLY INEFFECTIVE AT ANY DOSE OR PRICE. A three cc syringe full of oily testosterone and a 21 to 23 gauge needle are required to get the most out of your first testosterone experience"

www.qfac.com

As you may have found out by now, you are going to get a lot of different replys. It up to you to educate yourself.

 

[ZeroCool]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that you would have a great first cycle doing 500mg of Sust only for 8-10 weeks. I don't think you need to add the Deca or the Dbol or anything else for that matter. Follow the cycle up with Clomid. Adding more anabolics that the Sust certainly will not make you get smaller, but I don't think it will increase your gains in any dramatic way. Just my opinion.

But you will also increase your chances of keeping your gains if you take the deca. Test/Deca/D-bol is an awsome 1st cycle....