Quality gain cycle

[BioMASS]

I haven't juiced in about 8 years, and the two cycles I did were very small. I am looking to do my first cycle since then.

I am not interested in gaining massive amounts of weight. I am interested in gaining quality muscle (muscle that wont be lost a few weeks after my cycle, and no fat gain).

I also would like to lose a little BF% during the cycle. How is this for what I am trying to accomplish?

Weeks 1-3: D-bol at 35mg ed. (for a kick start)
Weeks 1-8: cypionate at 500mg per week.
Weeks 1-8: deca at 500mg per week.
Weeks 5-8: winny at 50mg ed.
Use nolvadex throughout cycle.
Use clomid starting 2 weeks after end for three weeks.

Eat 500 cals above maintenance per day.
Eat very-very clean throughout.

Background info:
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 205 lbs.
BF: 16%
Chest: 45"
Arms: 17 1/14
Waist: 36"

I am currently dieting, and my BF% may be a little lower by the time I purchase all of my gear.

Thank you for your suggestions.


BioMASS

 

[juggernaut69]

Scratch that cycle and run a 800mg EQ/400mg Deca/500 Test cycle! You will gain nothing but, quality on a cycle like this!!
You will not get as massive as you would like a anadrol/test cycle but, this cycle would give you quality retainable gains and low bf gains if any. Also very minimal sides. Just my 2cc's though!

 

[BioMASS]

Scratch that cycle and run a 800mg EQ/400mg Deca/500 Test cycle! You will gain nothing but, quality on a cycle like this!!
You will not get as massive as you would like a anadrol/test cycle but, this cycle would give you quality retainable gains and low bf gains if any. Also very minimal sides. Just my 2cc's though!

So basically drop the orals and add EQ? I have never taken EQ before, or deca for that matter. My previous two cycles were test only. That was when Goldline cypionate was around.

What is a good EQ and Deca to get?

BTW why should I drop the orals? Because they are liver toxic, or is it because you think they are not neccessary in this situation?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Ttokkyo would be the best eq option. Deca, there are plenty of good ones available.

Sure, you can do orals, but let's be realistic about dbol here, you will puff up, and piss out. Iow, you won't keep your gains. Now, take for instance oxandrolone or winstrol, add those in the mix, and anything you gain from them, you will keep.

Hell, you could go balls out and add fina to the mix. Another gear that won't add water weight and is very anabolic.

 

[BioMASS]

Ttokkyo would be the best eq option. Deca, there are plenty of good ones available.

Sure, you can do orals, but let's be realistic about dbol here, you will puff up, and piss out. Iow, you won't keep your gains. Now, take for instance oxandrolone or winstrol, add those in the mix, and anything you gain from them, you will keep.

Hell, you could go balls out and add fina to the mix. Another gear that won't add water weight and is very anabolic.

I see your point about the d-bol. I guess I just wanted to kickstart the cycle (begin it with a little growth and serious workout pumps). I know cypionate usually takes about 3 weeks to kick in.

Originally I planned on an 8 week cycle, but if the gains will not begin right away with an EQ/Deca/Cyp cycle, maybe I should increase to 10 weeks.

I will consider Fina for a future cycle. Remember, my receptors are fresh. I have not touched gear in approximately 8 years. My body will probably react very well without it for this cycle.


BioMASS

 

[jstrong20]

I would use the dbol for the first 4 weeks. If you take some arimidex it will prevent the bloat. Not to mention dbol not only kickstarts a cycle but it is a highly affective tissue builder and gets a bad rap for making people hold water.

 

[BioMASS]

I would use the dbol for the first 4 weeks. If you take some arimidex it will prevent the bloat. Not to mention dbol not only kickstarts a cycle but it is a highly affective tissue builder and gets a bad rap for making people hold water.

I was thinking about that in the back of my mind about dianabol. Why would anyone want to use it to blow up temporarily and then deflate. I know there is some water gain, but there is also a gain in LBM. I look at it this way: It was one of Arnold's favorites, and it was nicknamed the breakfast of champions. Say no more.

Here is my new, revised cycle for lean gains:

Weeks 1-4: 25 mg D-bol.
Weeks 1-10: 500 mg cyp or enth.
Weeks 1-10: 400 mg deca.
Weeks 1-10: 500 mg equipoise.
Weeks 12-15: clomid therapy

Should'nt nolva keep bloat down? Arimidex is a little expensive.
I don't want to go with large amounts of any specific drug, that is why I have the D-bol and EQ relatively low. Yes, I know the test and Deca are relatively low too, but I don't think I need massive amounts right now.

I can almost feel the killer pumps as I type this post!


BioMASS

 

[jstrong20]

I like this cycle and its plenty to give great gains if the diet and traning is on point. Also I never used nolvadex but here it can hinder gains. But arimidex shouldn't be that expensive and at .25mgs ed it would only cost $1 ed. So a 10 week cycle would only cost $70 which I don't think is to expensive. By the way go with the liquid form of arimidex and it should only cost $4 per 1mg/ml.

 

[BioMASS]

I like this cycle and its plenty to give great gains if the diet and traning is on point. Also I never used nolvadex but here it can hinder gains. But arimidex shouldn't be that expensive and at .25mgs ed it would only cost $1 ed. So a 10 week cycle would only cost $70 which I don't think is to expensive. By the way go with the liquid form of arimidex and it should only cost $4 per 1mg/ml.

Sounds good. I thought it would be more than that. I never really looked into arimidex. All I know is that many people say it is expensive. If I am going to spend what I plan to spend, that is only a few dollars more.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Texas Ranger]

For your goals I would try a Test/Anavar/Winstrol cycle. Run the Test@500mgs for 10 weeks, Anavar@40mgs a day for 10 weeks, and Winstrol@50mgs a day for weeks 6-11. Then , start the clomid. With a good diet and proper training you should reach your goal.