PWO shake question

[WildGuy30]

I am hearing that dextrose and maltodextrin are to be mixed with whey in a ratio of 2-1 dex/protein. I went and picked up some dex and malto. Fine. I have also read that you want to try to keep sugars low so I should try to cut out everything with sugar if I am cutting, even skim milk.
If I am supposed to be cutting out sugar than how come dextrose is a good idea when it is pure sugar?

Also, how much dex and malto should I use? One scoop of protein seems like the minimum I would want to use so does that mean I should be using the equivilent of two scoops of malto and dex?

Thanks for any advice given.

 

[6_pak]

I am hearing that dextrose and maltodextrin are to be mixed with whey in a ratio of 2-1 dex/protein. I went and picked up some dex and malto. Fine. I have also read that you want to try to keep sugars low so I should try to cut out everything with sugar if I am cutting, even skim milk.
If I am supposed to be cutting out sugar than how come dextrose is a good idea when it is pure sugar?

Also, how much dex and malto should I use? One scoop of protein seems like the minimum I would want to use so does that mean I should be using the equivilent of two scoops of malto and dex?

Thanks for any advice given.

First- the simple sugars(dex) that you have for pwo, will never be stored as fat. They will be used only to restore muscle glycogen.
1/2 cup of dex=75g
1/4 cup=malto
1/4 cup=dex

 

[WildGuy30]

You have dex on there twice. Do you mean 1/2 cup of dex, 1/4 cup of malto and 1/4 cup protein?

Also, would you use this same shake for bulking and cutting? Or would you add milk among other things while bulking?

 

[6_pak]

You have dex on there twice. Do you mean 1/2 cup of dex, 1/4 cup of malto and 1/4 cup protein?

Also, would you use this same shake for bulking and cutting? Or would you add milk among other things while bulking?

PWO=1/4c dex,1/4c malto/ 40g whey
Use this combo for cutting and bulking. Milk is not ideal for pwo. Lactose(sugar in milk) does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen. Milk(casein protein) is a slow digestive protein, which would be ideal for right before bed. The point of the pwo is to stop the rising cortisol levels and get your body out of a catabolic state(which its in due to the workout). It has been provin that the most effective measure of doing this is to eat simple, fast digesting sugars, that replenish muscle glycogen. Dextrose is said to be the most effective sugar to do this. Your other 6,7 meals of the day should be consistant with your (bulking or cutting) goals, not pwo.

 

[WildGuy30]

Thanks. That helps me out a lot. I am going to put this to use. (as soon as I get over this damn neck injury I have and can work out again...been off for a week! grrrrrrrr)

 

[AlphamaleStS]

What is dextrose??

 

[6_pak]

What is dextrose??

PWO=1/4c dex,1/4c malto/ 40g whey
Use this combo for cutting and bulking. Milk is not ideal for pwo. Lactose(sugar in milk) does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen. Milk(casein protein) is a slow digestive protein, which would be ideal for right before bed. The point of the pwo is to stop the rising cortisol levels and get your body out of a catabolic state(which its in due to the workout). It has been provin that the most effective measure of doing this is to eat simple, fast digesting sugars, that replenish muscle glycogen. Dextrose is said to be the most effective sugar to do this. Your other 6,7 meals of the day should be consistant with your (bulking or cutting) goals, not pwo.

READ TO ANSWER QUESTION. RESEARCH DEXTROSE FOR MORE IN IN DEPTH DEFINITION AND BENEFITS!!!

 

[Growth&Courage]

I can't get my hands on Maltodextrin or Dextrose Monohydrate, however I can get:

Glucose Monohydrate.

Is there a difference b/w this and the above?
The only think I am aware is that Glucose has a GI index ranking of about 100, being the highest in terms of the fastest ingestion into the bloodstream, hence making it good for PWS with some good quality whey.

??

 

[Stryc-9]

Yes - dextrose is an isomer of glucose - in other words - dextrose is 100% glucose.

 

[|D_J^B_J|]

First- the simple sugars(dex) that you have for pwo, will never be stored as fat. They will be used only to restore muscle glycogen.
1/2 cup of dex=75g
1/4 cup=malto
1/4 cup=dex

Are you sure the weight you listed is correct?

I weigh my dex/malto combination before mixing it with the whey and 1 cup weighs approximately 35g.
I use 100% dextrose but was unable to find pure maltodextrin... So I use splenda powder which is 98.8% maltodextrin and 1.2% sucralose. Surely such a small amount of sucralose wouldn't create such a large discrepancy WRT the weight?


Perhaps there's something wrong with my scales, although I don't think so.

 

[|D_J^B_J|]

Also, I find dextrose to be much heavier than maltodextrin.

 

[sublime35]

how would splenda work? Splenda doesn't effect blood sugar, thats why it's safe for diabetics.

 

[Stryc-9]

Yes, my understanding is that you can't replace pure maltodextrin with something like splenda - because the molecular structure of the malto in such products is chemically altered (with chlorine I believe) which does not allow it to be digested in the same way (as pure malto).

 

[|D_J^B_J|]

Ah, that explains it then... Looks like I'll have to search harder for pure maltodextrin. For the time being though, I'll just mix 4 parts of dextrose to 1 part of whey.

 

[rbtrout]

All this is very interesting. Where do I get Dextrose and Malta? So a good pwo shake would be 10-12 oz water, mixed with 1/4c dex, 1/4c malto and 40g's of whey, correct?

 

[WildGuy30]

All this is very interesting. Where do I get Dextrose and Malta? So a good pwo shake would be 10-12 oz water, mixed with 1/4c dex, 1/4c malto and 40g's of whey, correct?

Any health food or supplement store should have both dextrose and maltodextrin. I have seen 100% pure malto in many stores with a label calling it 'Carbo Gain' by Now Sports.

 

[Growth&Courage]

Also, I often find that having the exact same PWO shake as my PRE-WO shake boosts my workout energy. I am not sure if this is problematic interms of not burning my fat for energy or whatnot. However, it does fill me up through out my training and I can train better.

Is this a problem?

 

[ASU]

1 out of 5 right now...are not considered to have any degree of insulin resistance...for the other 4 out of 5....spiking would be like owning a radio (how your body deals w/insulin)....when your 10, the volume works well, at 20, you have to turn it a little louder...then one day, who knows when .... each time sugars are ingested (cummulatively, even in small amounts), the body has to increase the volume louder and louder...literally flood the body w/insulin to deal w/small amonts of sugar (or even sweet tastes from sugar free products...gums, sodas, jello...etc).....insulin stops lipolysis cold, promotes lipogenesis...the excess insulin itself converting to a di-saccharide/gylcerol and then adipose...

Now for that one out of 5 (use to be out of 3, then out of 4 ) .....sure it feels good, and it works to stiffle catabolism (the food on our Programs work very well also, as does glutamine and BCAA's )...replaces glycogen double speed as per studies (but 24 hour nutrition works equally as well...just in 24 hours)..