Pure tren powder?

[Spidey]

OK. Just hypothetically, say I have some pure trenbolone acetate as a white powder. How would I mix that up for injection (in to my cows of course)? I don't think I need to buy a kit. Is pure tren soluble in veg. oil or do I have to dissolve it up in something like benzyl alcohol first? How about glycerin?

-Spidey

 

[finabomber]

buy a kit with the solutions

 

[biganth01]

If you had WHITE Trenbolone Acetate powder id throw it in the trash! Real Trenbolone powder is YELLOW!

 

[caiza]

yes buy a kit bro and your away...

 

[Spidey]

If you had WHITE Trenbolone Acetate powder id throw it in the trash! Real Trenbolone powder is YELLOW!

Actually, trenbolone acetate, if it is pure, should be white. Trust me; I have a Ph.D. in chemistry. There isn't any heavy elements with d-orbitals and not enough conjugation in the molecule for it to be colored.

-Spidey

 

[sailbo]

I read somewhere that ttokkyo bought up the worlds supply of TA powder...

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Spidey,

Tren powder is indeed bright yellow like biganth said. Just look at the COA's of tren. Does your powder burn in your mouth? That also is a sign that it might be tren.

You are a chemist, so can you tell me what color 6-dehydrotestosterone has? Is it orange? Sorry, I was sleeping during physical chemistry courses.

 

[Spidey]

Spidey,

Tren powder is indeed bright yellow like biganth said. Just look at the COA's of tren. Does your powder burn in your mouth? That also is a sign that it might be tren.

You are a chemist, so can you tell me what color 6-dehydrotestosterone has? Is it orange? Sorry, I was sleeping during physical chemistry courses.

Sigmund- I'm not trying to flame you here but don't try to argue chemistry with me OK? I went to college for 9 years to get a Ph.D. (4 year undergraduate and 5 year Ph.D.) and have worked for 7 years in a world renowned research facility. You, on the other hand, slept during chemistry class by your own admission. Again, if it is PURE, it will be white. If it is old, small amounts of air oxidation can cause it to be yellow. I am not familiar with 6-dehydrotestosterone but it does have more conjugation than tren so it is conceivable that it is yellow but I would expect it to be a light yellow if it is colored at all. Again, a little air oxidation could turn that light yellow to orange.

I don't have to give it any of these "taste" tests to know what I have. I am a chemist, remember? I just run proton and carbon nuclear magnetic resonance spectra on it. It takes a few minutes and I know EXACTLY what I have, NO GUESSING.

OK, back to my original question: without buying a kit, what should I dissolve the tren powder in to make up injections for my cows?

-Spidey

 

[Bootyshaker]

I thought you were a chemist? HE he!

Sorry I couldn't resist!

 

[Spidey]

I thought you were a chemist? HE he!

Sorry I couldn't resist!

That's OK. I AM a chemist. A CHEMIST, not a medical doctor, a pharmacologist or a toxicologist. Think about it. Where do you go when you need pharmacological advise, a chemist? That's like going to a Buddhist Monk for information about Jesus Christ, NOT HIS AREA.

-Spidey

 

[Bootyshaker]

That's OK. I AM a chemist. A CHEMIST, not a medical doctor, a pharmacologist or a toxicologist. Think about it. Where do you go when you need pharmacological advise, a chemist? That's like going to a Buddhist Monk for information about Jesus Christ, NOT HIS AREA.

-Spidey

Igive one, I take one.... Thats cool!

Good luck

 

[biganth01]

Check the COA of Trenbolone Acetate,it is YELLOW powder! Why do you think everyones Fina has a golden colour to it? Do you not mean BASE TRENBOLONE without the ester? I wouldnt know the colour of that.

 

[jboldman]

A pretty standard proportion for human grade 200mg/ml test is .2ml/ml of benzyl benzoate and .1ml of benzyl alcohol. This would work out to 5ml of benzyl benzoate and ~3ml of Benzyl alcohol per two grams of tren powder, add suitable oil such as cottonseed to bring the total volume to 25ml to give you 80mg/ml.

After dissolving, sterile filter and you are done. Since you are a chemist I think you can figure out the little details.

jb
btw, feel free to pass on that source for the tren!

 

[basskiller]

Check the COA of Trenbolone Acetate,it is YELLOW powder! Why do you think everyones Fina has a golden colour to it? Do you not mean BASE TRENBOLONE without the ester? I wouldnt know the colour of that.

Because of the yellow dye #5 that is add, yes added to the making of the pellets!

 

[basskiller]

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This is really only applicable to the 17AA steroids OXandrolone, Stanabol and
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Pick up some sesame oil at the health store and find a container for the liquid.
Determine the concentration. For Stanabol I recommend 25 mg/ml, for Anabol and
Oxandrolone I suggest 20 mg/ml. Say you have 1 gram of Anabol. That's 1000 mg.
At 20 mg per ml that equates to
50 ml of oil. So for every gram of powder you have you will make 50 ml of
solution. Fill the container up with water, 50 ml per gram. If you have 5 grams,
then that's 250 ml. Mark that spot on the container. Dump out the water and let
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Remember that you need 50 ml per gram of powder for ox and anabol and 40 ml for
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minus the space the powder takes up.

PREPARING THE POWDERS FOR INJECTABLE USE

These things can be quite confusing, so since testosterone enanthate and
boldenone undecylenate come pre-packaged per 5 grams, I will detail the
conversion for both for 5 grams, so you can copy the method exactly.

Testosterone enanthate :

You will need benzyl alcohol, syringes, a container that will hold 20 ml and oil
(arachis or sesame oil). Because we will inject this, the oil needs to be
sterile. To sterilize it heat the oil to 212 degrees F (100 degrees C). In the
mean time use a syringe to fill your container with EXACTLY 20 ml of pure water.
Mark the container at the water level. use the syringe to take out 0.6 ml and
make another mark. Your container is now marked at 19.4 ml and 20 ml. Dump out
the water and let the container dry. let the oil cool off.

Dump the powder (5 g) in the container, add oil until it reaches the 19.4 ml
mark. Then add Benzyl alcohol until it reaches the 20 ml mark. Seal your
container and shake it well. You are now ready to use the product. It is a
testosterone enanthate solution at 250 mg/ml. I suggest a weekly injection of 2
ml (500 mg) for a period of 10 weeks. At this rate the product will last you
exactly 10 weeks.

Boldenone Undecylenate (Equipoise) :

You will need benzyl alcohol, syringes, a container that will hold 25 ml and oil
(arachis or sesame oil). Because we will inject this, the oil needs to be
sterile. To sterilize it heat the oil to 212 degrees F (100 degrees C). In the
mean time use a syringe to fill your container with EXACTLY 25 ml of pure water.
Mark the container at the water level. use the syringe to take out 0.8 ml and
make another mark. Your container is now marked at 24.2 ml and 25 ml. Dump out
the water and let the container dry. let the oil cool off.

Dump the boldenone oil (5 g) in the container, add oil until it reaches the 24.2
ml mark. Then add Benzyl alcohol until it reaches the 25 ml mark. Seal your
container and shake it well. You are now ready to use the product. It is a
boldenone undecylenate solution at 200 mg/ml. I suggest a weekly injection of 2
ml (400 mg) for a period of 10-12 weeks. At this rate the product will last you
12.5 weeks.

17AA steroids : Oxandrolone, Anabol and Stanabol

You will need purified water, benzyl alcohol, syringes and a container that
holds 40 ml for every gram of powder you have. The water needs to be pure and
sterile because it will need to be injected. First fill up your container to the
desired level of water (40 ml per gram of powder) and make a mark. Then use the
syringe to remove 1 ml per gram of powder you have and make another mark. Let
the container dry. Dump the powder in the container and fill up with sterile
water up to the lowest mark. Then add benzyl alcohol to the highest mark. Seal
the container and shake well. The powder should sink to the bottom if left
unshaken. Make sure you shake prior to each use. I suggest using 2 ml DAILY
injections for a period of 8 weeks.

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[Magnússon]

Snort it, tren's got a killer drain

 

[osujudoman]

What I wouldn't give to have access to powdered gear... especially tren or anavar!

 

[Seth]

You are a PHD and too cheap to pay $30 bucks for a kit?

 

[Primo57]

You are a PHD and too cheap to pay $30 bucks for a kit?

$30 bucks can be a lot if Spidey is still post-doc'n

 

[Spidey]

You are a PHD and too cheap to pay $30 bucks for a kit?

Hell no, if I needed one. Why should I pay 30 bucks for the privilege of injecting something called "magic solution" into my body? I don't know what's in that and no one will post the ingredients and percentages. Bottom line, kits are for people without access to a lab. It's a valuable service but I don't need it. I have access to a lab and any chemical you could conceive of. I can make my own solution and make it sterile. why pay?

Check the COA of Trenbolone Acetate,it is YELLOW powder! Why do you think everyones Fina has a golden colour to it? Do you not mean BASE TRENBOLONE without the ester? I wouldnt know the colour of that.

OK, look. It's pointless to continue the debate on color. You can believe anything you want. I appreciate your replies to my post though. Thank you for trying to help.

Jboldman and Basskiller - Thank you for very informative posts. I'll try taking it up in benzyl alcohol and diluting with some thin oil like flax seed oil or something.

-Spidey

 

[biganth01]

Wasnt flaming you bro,hit me an email if you want more help,i know someone who knows his stuff in this field.

 

[Spidey]

Wasnt flaming you bro,hit me an email if you want more help,i know someone who knows his stuff in this field.

That's cool bro. Thanks.

-Spidey

 

[jboldman]

It should be a piece of cakes as I use this method instead of a kit for converting fina. ps, why spend thirty bucks on a kit when I can do the same job for about $4!

 

[Spidey]

I have benzyl alcohol (quite common in chemistry labs). I have sterile filters and syringes. Better still, I have access to a sterile cell culture hood. I don't need a kit for the benzyl alcohol or the sterile equipment. I have it already.

-Spidey

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Spidey,

I also have a ph.d., in 8 years, so I am not impressed. The reason why I slept during that particular part of chemistry was that it is so damn easy to pass the exam. Still, I don't want to question your expertise, but really. I have a COA included, and it surely says 'yellow'. So did your NMR, melting point test, Raman, absorption spectroscopy, X-ray diffraction and whatever confirmed trenbolone acetate? I can only do a melting point test at my lab, and I obtained the right melting point. The powder was freshly made, vacuum sealed and has a very bright yellow color, so I don't think there is oxidation.

As for your question:
50-100 mg tren ac.
10-50 mg BA
100-200 mg BB
add sesame oil until 1 ml.

You HAVE to have pharm. grade BB and BA, because I suspect the impurities are very very nasty (other aromatic hydrocarbons). Also, the sesame oil has to be cold pressed without additives, otherwise it contains carcinogenics.

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Sigmund- I'm not trying to flame you here but don't try to argue chemistry with me OK? I went to college for 9 years to get a Ph.D. (4 year undergraduate and 5 year Ph.D.) and have worked for 7 years in a world renowned research facility. You, on the other hand, slept during chemistry class by your own admission. Again, if it is PURE, it will be white. If it is old, small amounts of air oxidation can cause it to be yellow. I am not familiar with 6-dehydrotestosterone but it does have more conjugation than tren so it is conceivable that it is yellow but I would expect it to be a light yellow if it is colored at all. Again, a little air oxidation could turn that light yellow to orange.

I don't have to give it any of these "taste" tests to know what I have. I am a chemist, remember? I just run proton and carbon nuclear magnetic resonance spectra on it. It takes a few minutes and I know EXACTLY what I have, NO GUESSING.

OK, back to my original question: without buying a kit, what should I dissolve the tren powder in to make up injections for my cows?

-Spidey

 

[chrisoh]

great, two chemists on a ego trip trying to outmuscle each other with their brains.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Chrisoh,

No chemist skull bashing, just a little argument.



Example of a COA:



Chemical Name: Estra-4,9,11-trien-3-one, 17-(acetyloxy)-, (17 )-
Chemical Formula: C20H24O3 M.W. 312.41

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DESCRIPTION

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Pharmacia & Upjohn Trenbolone Acetate USP is a pale yellow powder.



SPECIFICATIONS

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Identification (Infrared) Meets Test

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Loss on Drying Not More Than 0.5%

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Specific Rotation (Dried Basis) +37 to +45

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Residue on Ignition Not More Than 0.5%

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Assay (Dried Basis) 97.0% to 103.0%

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[Sigmund Roid]

Trenbolone Acetate

Appearance yellow crystalline powder
Identification Conform
Absorbance <=0.3
Melting point >=90¡æ
Specific Rotation +39˚~+43˚
Chromatography Purity Conform
17¦Á-Isomer <=0.5%
Organic Volatile impurities Conform
Loss on drying <=0.5%
Residue on ignition <=0.1%
Assay 97.0~101.0%

 

[jboldman]

Re: because everything is sterile & there is benzyl alcohol in there.

Actually johnboy, you have NO clue what is in a kit, sterile or otherwise, while I have control over all my ingredients and believe me, when I finish they are sterile and I know EXACTLY what I am putting in my body rather than some "magic" solution that has god knows what in it. BTW, you should reread my post, BA stands for benzyl alcohol and it is in there along with the benzyl benzoatel. It is nice to have acccess to all the chem supply houses.

jb

 

[Spidey]

Spidey,

I also have a ph.d., in 8 years, so I am not impressed. The reason why I slept during that particular part of chemistry was that it is so damn easy to pass the exam. Still, I don't want to question your expertise, but really. I have a COA included, and it surely says 'yellow'. So did your NMR, melting point test, Raman, absorption spectroscopy, X-ray diffraction and whatever confirmed trenbolone acetate? I can only do a melting point test at my lab, and I obtained the right melting point. The powder was freshly made, vacuum sealed and has a very bright yellow color, so I don't think there is oxidation.

As for your question:
50-100 mg tren ac.
10-50 mg BA
100-200 mg BB
add sesame oil until 1 ml.

You HAVE to have pharm. grade BB and BA, because I suspect the impurities are very very nasty (other aromatic hydrocarbons). Also, the sesame oil has to be cold pressed without additives, otherwise it contains carcinogenics.

No hard feelings. I wasn't trying to be insulting. Thanks for the tips. I only have reagent grade benzyl alcohol but I was going to freshly distill it before using. That may not be the best idea in retrospect. What is the benzyl benzoate for? Any particular reason for using sesame oil instead of some other oil like flax seed? You say your tren was "freshly made". How was it made? Did you isolate it from Finaplix pellets? Chemical synthesis? Was it freshly chromatographed or otherwise purified because I think the pellets have a yellow dye in them.

I'd like to clear up a little misconception here. I never said I have the tren powder now. I ordered some finaplix pellets and plan to extract the tren and chromatograph it to get pure tren powder. I will run 1H and 13C NMR analyses on the finished product before I mix it up to use. I did not mean to come off like a know-it-all ass. I just find it hard to believe that the compound is colored with so little conjugation. It does have SOME conjugation though.... I guess I'll find out when I isolate and purify the tren. I'll be sure to let you know if I was wrong about the color. By the way, what area of chemistry is your Ph.D. in? Mine is synthetic organic.

The finaplix is supposed to ship on the 13th so I should have it late next week.

 

[freakazoid]

kit? who needs a kit.your buying a kit that has a "magic solution".i just grind the pellets up put them in a syrenge,pull 1cc of oil into it,shake it up,put it into a pot of water at about 200 degrees for 10 min or so,let it cool. no flames please if you want to shoot something that some guy sells to you that has ingredents that no one is sure of,have at it.as for me if i get an infection i can blame no one but myself.by the way i have never gotten an abcess or infection.

 

[jboldman]

The BB is a solvent while the BA is antibacterial(it is also a solvent but painful). Yes, I simply add the BA/BB to the crushed up pellets, add about 10ml of oil and gently heat. When I think all the tren is dissloved I aspirate the solution into test tubes and centrifuge til any solids have seperated. I then sterile filter into a sterile vial and add enough oil thru the steril filter to flush it and bring the total volume up to make the required concentration.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

No hard feelings. I wasn't trying to be insulting. Thanks for the tips. I only have reagent grade benzyl alcohol but I was going to freshly distill it before using. That may not be the best idea in retrospect. What is the benzyl benzoate for? Any particular reason for using sesame oil instead of some other oil like flax seed? You say your tren was "freshly made". How was it made? Did you isolate it from Finaplix pellets? Chemical synthesis? Was it freshly chromatographed or otherwise purified because I think the pellets have a yellow dye in them.

I'd like to clear up a little misconception here. I never said I have the tren powder now. I ordered some finaplix pellets and plan to extract the tren and chromatograph it to get pure tren powder. I will run 1H and 13C NMR analyses on the finished product before I mix it up to use. I did not mean to come off like a know-it-all ass. I just find it hard to believe that the compound is colored with so little conjugation. It does have SOME conjugation though.... I guess I'll find out when I isolate and purify the tren. I'll be sure to let you know if I was wrong about the color. By the way, what area of chemistry is your Ph.D. in? Mine is synthetic organic.

The finaplix is supposed to ship on the 13th so I should have it late next week.

Hi Spidey,

I am glad your fina rage is over . I recommend to order the BA, because it is very very cheap, USP grade. Something like $30 per liter. The BB is less irritating than BA, and adds to making the fina more soluble into the oil. It also has some bacteriostatic properties, but less than BA. I highly prefer sesame oil, because it has a relatively low viscosity.

The synthesis process of this particular tren is unknown to me, sorry. It is, however, USP grade. I looked further on the internet, and some fina ac. powders are indeed almost white (off white-yellow).

My masters was actually physics with some chemistry courses, but I got a Ph.D. in a subject that combined physics and chemistry.

I am a "self made" organic chemist by reading a lot of books and articles.

Good luck with your fina, and if you like to share some ideas, send me a msg!

 

[Spidey]

OK all. The results are in. Sigmund, BigAnth- You are right. Tren acetate powder is indeed yellow. But in my own defense, it is a very light, almost off-white yellow. I can only see the yellow color if I lump a few grams together and look at it like that. A few crystals by themselves look white even next to a white sheet of paper.

I extracted 4x10 doses of finaplix-H with ether and purified the tren acetate by flash column chromatography to afford 7.8045 g (out of a theoretical 8 g) of pure trenbolone acetate as a LIGHT yellow powder. Proton and Carbon NMR confirm its identity.

You wouldn't believe the amount of brown crap left on the column! I'm glad I'm not using the crude fina and injecting that stuff into my body.

-Spidey

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Hi Spidey,

I have seen that you already started your 1st cycle, so I might be too late for this.

Now that you have pure tren ac. powder, why don't you hydrolyse and acylate it with an long chain acid chloride? You can do the same thing with your test prop. The total processing time will only take one working day (in a lab with proper drying equipment).

Think about it, it provides consistent blood levels, no pin cushion for an ass and smaller inj. volumes (ie. 250-300 mg/cc w/o too much BA and BB).

 

[Spidey]

Hi Sigmund.

Yeah, I thought of that. Just hydrolize off the acetate with K2CO3 in methanol/water and hit it with a little decanoic acid/DCC or even just decanoic anhydride and DMAP/Pyridine. It would be pretty easy to do but then I would have to do some PK studies too to find the hydrolysis rate (half life). Although, I suppose if I made the enanthate or decanoate it should have a similar half life to test enanthate or deca... I have a few ethical problems with doing all that work in my lab. It seems a bit of a violation of trust. Bad enough that I spent a few hours (after hours on my own time) doing the purification of the tren acetate. At any rate, I've already started my cycle so it's a mute point this time. I'll think about it again next time.

-Spidey

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Mmm, my friend used the exact same chemicals, only (s)he used a low concentration NaOH solution in pure methanol. Don't you just love the smell of pyridine?

Be careful at your lab. A blue mooning scientist growing out of his shirts is very suspicious.

 

[Spidey]

Mmm, my friend used the exact same chemicals, only (s)he used a low concentration NaOH solution in pure methanol. Don't you just love the smell of pyridine?

Be careful at your lab. A blue mooning scientist growing out of his shirts is very suspicious.

NaOH would definitely do the hydrolysis of the acetate. Water/methanol would have been a better choice of solvent though. Much faster rate. I was thinking K2CO3 because it is really all you need to hydrolyze something as labile as acetate. I always tend to use the most mild conditions possible in my syntheses.

And no, I HATE hate smell of pyridine. One of the few chemicals that makes me gag.

Your comment about "blue-mooning scientists growing out of their shirts" is well taken. I've told everyone that I'm experimenting with androstenediol. So when I get big I can just say "Well what do you know! The androstenediol really worked, huh." Being not at all versed in steroids or bodybuilding, I'm pretty sure they will buy it.

-Spidey