Protien Absorbtion

[JAV]

What do you guys think is the maximum amount of protien grams your body can utilize on average?

I keep reading about some bigtime bodybuilders ingesting over 400 grams/day...

But I also read many times that the most you can utilize is around 30 - 40 g every 2 - 3 hours.....

What are your thoughts on this?

Also, do steroids give your body the ability to use even more protien? (perhaps why some of the pros are wayyyy up there protien wise)

Thanks.

-j

 

[psychedout]

Depends on many things. Weight, bf%, metabolism, level of training/intensity/volume, number of digestive enzymes the body produces (which increases accordingly to the amount of protein you eat).

That said I think 1.5g x bw in protein is ideal for most people. If your goal is to be needsize or quadsweep though, the number is more like 2-2.5g x bw.

 

[JAV]

Cool but taking this further then, what is the most one can use in one sitting. (who were trainning for massive size)

And then how long till the next meal?

Thanks..

-j

 

[adicus]

yes, many anabolics allow better protein sythesis - so while "on" you can benefit from the added aminos in your system rather than just storing the extra calories.

Cool but taking this further then, what is the most one can use in one sitting. (who were trainning for massive size)

And then how long till the next meal?

Thanks..

-j

 

[needsize]

I eat 50 grams every 2 hours

 

[krishna]

^
You can also add digestive enzymes and probiotics to help absord and process more food. Not sure if added enzymes cause a negative feedback and your natural enzyme production though.

 

[fitricise]

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/protein-myths.htm

Myth #2: You can only assimilate 30 grams of protein at one sitting.

Fact: The body has the ability to digest and assimilate much more than 30 grams of protein from a single meal.

Speaking of high intakes of protein, people have been perpetuating the myth that you can only assimilate ~30 grams of protein at a time, making protein meals any greater than a 6 oz. chicken breast a waste. This is anything but true. For example, the digestibility of meat (i.e. beef, poultry, pork and fish) is about 97% efficient. If you eat 25 grams of beef, you will absorb into the blood stream 97% of the protein in that piece of meat. If, on the other hand, you eat a 10 oz steak containing about 60 grams of protein, you will again digest and absorb 97% of the protein. If you could only assimilate 30 grams of protein at a time, why would researchers be using in excess of 40 grams of protein to stimulate muscle growth?1

Critics of high protein intakes may try to point out that increased protein intake only leads to increased protein oxidation. This is true, nevertheless, some researchers speculate that this increase in protein oxidation following high protein intakes may initiate something they call the "anabolic drive".13 The anabolic drive is characterized by hyperaminoacidemia, an increase in both protein synthesis and breakdown with an overall positive nitrogen balance. In animals, there is a correspondent increase in anabolic hormones such as IGF-1 and GH. Though this response is difficult to identify in humans, an increase in lean tissue accretion does occur with exaggerated protein intakes.14,15

The take home message is that, if you are going to maximize muscle growth you have to minimize muscle loss, and maximize protein synthesis. Research clearly shows this is accomplished with heavy training, adequate calories, and very importantly high protein consumption. This means that meals containing more than 30 grams of protein will be the norm. Not to worry, all that protein will certainly be used effectively by the body.

 

[JAV]

WEEEEEEEE!

The days of 4 ounce chicken breasts are over for me....

haha.

Thanks guys.

-j

 

[needsize]

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/protein-myths.htm

Myth #2: You can only assimilate 30 grams of protein at one sitting.

Fact: The body has the ability to digest and assimilate much more than 30 grams of protein from a single meal.

Speaking of high intakes of protein, people have been perpetuating the myth that you can only assimilate ~30 grams of protein at a time, making protein meals any greater than a 6 oz. chicken breast a waste. This is anything but true. For example, the digestibility of meat (i.e. beef, poultry, pork and fish) is about 97% efficient. If you eat 25 grams of beef, you will absorb into the blood stream 97% of the protein in that piece of meat. If, on the other hand, you eat a 10 oz steak containing about 60 grams of protein, you will again digest and absorb 97% of the protein. If you could only assimilate 30 grams of protein at a time, why would researchers be using in excess of 40 grams of protein to stimulate muscle growth?1

Critics of high protein intakes may try to point out that increased protein intake only leads to increased protein oxidation. This is true, nevertheless, some researchers speculate that this increase in protein oxidation following high protein intakes may initiate something they call the "anabolic drive".13 The anabolic drive is characterized by hyperaminoacidemia, an increase in both protein synthesis and breakdown with an overall positive nitrogen balance. In animals, there is a correspondent increase in anabolic hormones such as IGF-1 and GH. Though this response is difficult to identify in humans, an increase in lean tissue accretion does occur with exaggerated protein intakes.14,15

The take home message is that, if you are going to maximize muscle growth you have to minimize muscle loss, and maximize protein synthesis. Research clearly shows this is accomplished with heavy training, adequate calories, and very importantly high protein consumption. This means that meals containing more than 30 grams of protein will be the norm. Not to worry, all that protein will certainly be used effectively by the body.

good post
I forgot to mention, that I have started taking digestive enzymes to help as I was getting stomach pains from the amount of food that I eat

 

[WannaBeBig72]

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/protein-myths.htm

Myth #2: You can only assimilate 30 grams of protein at one sitting.

Fact: The body has the ability to digest and assimilate much more than 30 grams of protein from a single meal.

Speaking of high intakes of protein, people have been perpetuating the myth that you can only assimilate ~30 grams of protein at a time, making protein meals any greater than a 6 oz. chicken breast a waste. This is anything but true. For example, the digestibility of meat (i.e. beef, poultry, pork and fish) is about 97% efficient. If you eat 25 grams of beef, you will absorb into the blood stream 97% of the protein in that piece of meat. If, on the other hand, you eat a 10 oz steak containing about 60 grams of protein, you will again digest and absorb 97% of the protein. If you could only assimilate 30 grams of protein at a time, why would researchers be using in excess of 40 grams of protein to stimulate muscle growth?1

Critics of high protein intakes may try to point out that increased protein intake only leads to increased protein oxidation. This is true, nevertheless, some researchers speculate that this increase in protein oxidation following high protein intakes may initiate something they call the "anabolic drive".13 The anabolic drive is characterized by hyperaminoacidemia, an increase in both protein synthesis and breakdown with an overall positive nitrogen balance. In animals, there is a correspondent increase in anabolic hormones such as IGF-1 and GH. Though this response is difficult to identify in humans, an increase in lean tissue accretion does occur with exaggerated protein intakes.14,15

The take home message is that, if you are going to maximize muscle growth you have to minimize muscle loss, and maximize protein synthesis. Research clearly shows this is accomplished with heavy training, adequate calories, and very importantly high protein consumption. This means that meals containing more than 30 grams of protein will be the norm. Not to worry, all that protein will certainly be used effectively by the body.

You would think that alot has to do with the kind of meal you're taking in. I mean 30grams of protein at one sitting may be accurate if you're taking whey protein on an empty stomach which has a high absorption rate. In this case it may be true that anything over 30grams is a waste. If however you have say chicken and rice and have about 60grams of protein. That food will take about 2-3 hours to fully digest so the protein absorption would be alot slower and allow you to keep more of that protein. I mean how long could it take to digest a whey protein shake that has minimal carbs? I'm no expert but I would think that it wouldn't take longer then 15 minutes or so.

 

[slat1]

I throw down 69 grams at a time. None of it goes to waste. My body loves that shit!