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kalik razak
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the best.
how much do isopure's selling? they use ion exchange whey,
protein factory sells at $8.79 per pound, other's claim using CFM and hydrolyzed whey,hydrolyzed whey smells like dead fish and taste very bitter,if not for the increased in US$ xchang rate I would still buy from them, their hydrolyzed whey dalton 520,kick ass big time and don' believe that caseinate is better, these form of protein is cheap and higher profit margin for bottlers, and these company do not processed their own products, that's why I called them bottlers.
how much do isopure's selling? they use ion exchange whey,
protein factory sells at $8.79 per pound, other's claim using CFM and hydrolyzed whey,hydrolyzed whey smells like dead fish and taste very bitter,if not for the increased in US$ xchang rate I would still buy from them, their hydrolyzed whey dalton 520,kick ass big time and don' believe that caseinate is better, these form of protein is cheap and higher profit margin for bottlers, and these company do not processed their own products, that's why I called them bottlers.
riskybizz007
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To me Proteinfactory is just regular priced protein. WPC is $4.25/pound, which is about the same you can find it at DPSnutrition. Their Hydorlyzed and Isolates are $9 something, which again is about the same price as sold at DPS.
They are a rip off when they sell dextrose and maltodextrin at that price.
They are a rip off when they sell dextrose and maltodextrin at that price.
I think proteinfactory is good operation. As far as comparing prices on protein, next time check the percentage of protein in what you're buying
for example - 25g scoop yields 20g protein. ratio= 80%
80% protein is whey concentrate - what does your container say?
I checked several popular brands claiming isolates or ion exchange, but their ratios ended up low enough for WPC. bastards.
Of course you still have to believe that Alex runs an honest operation. I've been happy with his products and several people in the industry have endorsed him.
for example - 25g scoop yields 20g protein. ratio= 80%
80% protein is whey concentrate - what does your container say?
I checked several popular brands claiming isolates or ion exchange, but their ratios ended up low enough for WPC. bastards.
Of course you still have to believe that Alex runs an honest operation. I've been happy with his products and several people in the industry have endorsed him.
I also like Protein Factory a lot. I know Alex has been working with proteins for a while now, and has always done a very good job with the mixes he has done for me. I've been having them do a chocolate CFM/Micellar Casein mix with sucralose for a few months now actually, and haven't bought another protein since. Just so you know this is not a surreptitious plug for CFM/Micellar when you see the product later, I did like it so much that I decided to bottle it for Molecular.
Also, they do consistently seem to ship orders quickly.
- Bill Llewellyn
Also, they do consistently seem to ship orders quickly.
- Bill Llewellyn
Oh, my one complaint is that the protein comes bagged instead of in a plastic jar. I haven't asked, but don't think I remember seeing or hearing that they offer this option. Alex, I'd gladly pay a small additional fee for the conatiner, for the sake of convienence. I usually make a mess dumping the bag into an empty protein bottle 
- Bill Llewellyn
- Bill Llewellyn
riskybizz007
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I'll dito that... when I'm done emptying the bags into the containers it's project clean up, I always seem to make a mess w/ it.
riskybizz007
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I'll dito that... when I'm done emptying the bags into the containers it's project clean up, I always seem to make a mess w/ it.
But here's another added argument against it. I'm sure you can buy for example Optimum Nutrition whey for same price as Proteinfactory. And Optimum's protein will come w/ 4 kinds of protein in there, plus a big 5 pound jug, and not a bag. So now on second thought, proteinfactory seems pricey.
1. you get your stuff in a bag
2. other products offer same or more for same price
3. you can only order 5 pound/$5
But here's another added argument against it. I'm sure you can buy for example Optimum Nutrition whey for same price as Proteinfactory. And Optimum's protein will come w/ 4 kinds of protein in there, plus a big 5 pound jug, and not a bag. So now on second thought, proteinfactory seems pricey.
1. you get your stuff in a bag
2. other products offer same or more for same price
3. you can only order 5 pound/$5
the nature boy
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riskybizz007 said:
yeah but on the other hand they don't give you a breakdown of protein ratios in optimum do they?
TheProject
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The Nature Boy said:
I'm not sure if this counts as a breakdown, but here ya go:
QuadPlex Protein Blend (Ultrafiltered Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Protein Isolate [From Ion Exchange and Cross Flow Microfiltration] {all three sources contain concentrations of beta-Lactoglobulin, alpha-Lactalbumin, Immunoglobulins, Glycomacropeptides, Lactoferrin, Lactoperoxidase, Other Closely Related Protein Molecules and Glutamine Peptides} Low Molecular Weight and Partially Hydrolyzed Whey Peptides)
TheProject said:
This is just a fancy way of saying that the product contains mostly cheap whey protein concentrate, with some whey isolates added in. I HATE this type of ingredients listing, because it confuses the reader with a lot of unnecessary and misleading crap.
- Bill Llewellyn
riskybizz007
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You're right Bill it does. And at first I thought it was the bomb protein. But my argument remains the same. You can get whey w/ isolates (how much nobody knows), in a tub (and not a bag), for same price if not less than Proteinfactory.
1.Many websites do not even charge shipping, some allow up to 10pounds/$5 versus proteinfactory's 5lbs/$5
2. PF will give you a bag and not a jug like others will
3. Taste of other proteins may be even better than PF.
4. Isolates and concentrates are sold at same price if not more than their competitors.
5. Dextrose and Maltodextrin is sold at 2.5X the cost found at most other shops.
I can go on and on. I still dont' get it. They don't pay advertising fees, they give it to you in a bag, and still charge about the same as others will. What's the deal?
Only thing worth a crap there to me is the fact that you can make your own protein mix like Bill does.
1.Many websites do not even charge shipping, some allow up to 10pounds/$5 versus proteinfactory's 5lbs/$5
2. PF will give you a bag and not a jug like others will
3. Taste of other proteins may be even better than PF.
4. Isolates and concentrates are sold at same price if not more than their competitors.
5. Dextrose and Maltodextrin is sold at 2.5X the cost found at most other shops.
I can go on and on. I still dont' get it. They don't pay advertising fees, they give it to you in a bag, and still charge about the same as others will. What's the deal?
Only thing worth a crap there to me is the fact that you can make your own protein mix like Bill does.
riskybizz007 said:
Protein is an extremely competitive market, with VERY tight margins. If you are getting a cheap protein, there is a reason for it. I don't price shop for something I am so reliant upon and put into my body daily, as I'd rather pay more for a protein I know is quality. That is why I like protein factory. If I order a mix of two quality, undenatured proteins like above, I know I am getting what I am paying for. I can tell you, a mix at PF is going to be a little cheaper than buying the same blend from me when it is released. If mine were significantly cheaper, you shouldn't buy it, because I'm ripping you off somewhere.
- Bill Llewellyn
I agree with Bill. I prefer to pay a little more for an undenatured protein like micellar and cfm. What is the protein percentage in optimums blend? I was paying 26.00 for 1 1/2 lbs of cfm whey isolate from biochem. Now I pay 18.00 for 2 lbs. Thats alot better. Infact they were selling sold 5 lbs for 33.00 on special. Not bad. What is the % in optimums. There mix with isolates is less than pf's whey concentrate. That makes me think the concentrate was not so good to begin with. Adding isolates just brought it up to a good concentrate level. How much hydrolized? 1%? My post shake from them is better that anything I can find anywhere else. 35 to 40 % hydro 520, cfm whey and carbs. The bags aren't my favorite. I usually leave some in the bag in a box and just scoop out. Takes up the same amount of room as a box of mrp's. The concept of customizing is awsome but my only concern is that I am getting what I asked for. I know when I get hydro 520 in my post shake. You can taste it. But what if they put concentrate instead of isolate or caseinate instead of casein. I wonder how they are held accountable. Has anyone ever heard of anyone analyzing an order. Also and sorry so long but what about expiration dates. Did you get fresh or old stuff?
Blood&Iron
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Yeah, these sort of ingredients lists are meant to confuse people, but whey concentrate vs. whey isolate or even whey hydrosylate is not going to make an appreciable difference in results--particularly if protein intake is high--so I don't see that it matters anyway. Unless, that is, one is particularly concerned about cholesterol, for example.w_llewellyn said:
Though, it's hard to buy casein by itself--and casein is generally far superior to whey in most instances--so that's one thing the Protein Factory has going for it(Micellar is merely more expensive and it's quite dubious whether it confers any advantage, unless you consider a thinner wallet an advantage.)
Newbie answer--> I ordered whey isolate from them last wk, after reading about them on here, and seeing they were cheaper.
But, they dropped the ball when I called to place the order. Now I wonder if the order taker (it was during business hours) even was in the sport or took their products....didn't seem to have the specific info I requested, but did have the general answers. I asked about the Penta mix, gave him how I was going to use it and he said go with penta vs whey.... After I placed the order, and researched further and asked questions on here, I realized he sold me the wrong powder for my application!
.....Wonder why? Honest mistake, didn't have a clue and just said yes to my question, or the Penta was $4-$5 more per pound than the whey I called for initially?
I am definitly going to be reading this thread to see what you guys think
But, they dropped the ball when I called to place the order. Now I wonder if the order taker (it was during business hours) even was in the sport or took their products....didn't seem to have the specific info I requested, but did have the general answers. I asked about the Penta mix, gave him how I was going to use it and he said go with penta vs whey.... After I placed the order, and researched further and asked questions on here, I realized he sold me the wrong powder for my application!
.....Wonder why? Honest mistake, didn't have a clue and just said yes to my question, or the Penta was $4-$5 more per pound than the whey I called for initially?
I am definitly going to be reading this thread to see what you guys think
kalik razak
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TheProject said:
It's sad really, if any supplement company out there states that they used CFM isolate, then they have to display the " CFM" logo of avonmore & waterford....why? because CFM is patented by Avonmore & waterford..an incidently do you guy's come across
a new kind of supplement and across it states " patent pending" ?
and note how long do they actually patent the damn product? NEVER!!!!!!!!!!! why? because they can't....either this product have already been patented,or they merely bottle a product found in abundance in nature for example " gugulsterone" or what ever which have been around for thousands of years.
Think about this..who's the SUCKERS? stop being one!!!!!!!!
riskybizz007
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Optimum Nutrition claims that their protein is over 80%. They claim that it is impossible to get 80% out of whey concentrate, that's why they had to add some isolates in there to get it to 80% or above. If this is true, how can protein factory get 80% from WPC if Optimum claims that's impossible and have to add isolates to the mix?
UNKNOWN SOLDIER
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I'll stick w/protein Factory. I'm not going to defend the position. I've heard the arguements over and over and people still don't understand the mathematics of it.
BTW, I order 10lbs of CFM w/banna and Splenda
5lbs of Egg White for bedtime w/same flavor
I don't want to pay for anything more than a bag. I don't want scientific shit written on it. I want exactly what I want and I get it.
BTW, I order 10lbs of CFM w/banna and Splenda
5lbs of Egg White for bedtime w/same flavor
I don't want to pay for anything more than a bag. I don't want scientific shit written on it. I want exactly what I want and I get it.
the nature boy
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riskybizz007 said:
that's a great question. I don't know anything about protein percentage but I read a thing at netrition that whey concentrates are supposed to be 75% to 80%.
riskybizz007
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Why is Micellar Cassein superior to Calcium Casseinate? I use the Ca Cassein before bed. I was wondering is it really worth it to shell out the extra few bucks per pound?
riskybizz007 said:
I'm planning on starting a protein supplement, and it just so happens I'm debating between Optimum Nutrition and Protein Factory. It's true that ON says they have 4 kinds of protein, but if you compare percentages, it is they are almost identical or PF has a bit more with PF being about $5 cheaper after shipping.
Has anyone tried the vanilla WPC at protein factory that can tell me now it tastes and mixes?
riskybizz007
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I've heard EAS's whey is very cheap. Optimum's when tested checked out to be one of the best whey's in the market and met and exceeded the label claims. When the other whey's were tested most did not meet label claims. Be careful what you buy.
Which brings me back to my original question. Optimum, which is suppossed to be one of the best whey's sold on the market says you cannot get up to 80% protein from just whey alone. How in the hell can Protein Factory do it then? Whose lying?
Which brings me back to my original question. Optimum, which is suppossed to be one of the best whey's sold on the market says you cannot get up to 80% protein from just whey alone. How in the hell can Protein Factory do it then? Whose lying?
In regards to optimum saying you can't have a concentrate @ 80% I would go straight to the source. Check with whey manufactures like land o lakes, glanbia, american casein co., etc. I would beleive them over optimum nutrition any day. I understand optimmum is a less expensive protein supplement but what is so great about it besides the price.
riskybizz007
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I just finished saying that when they tested out the protein supplements, Optimum was the only one that exceeded its claims. It was one of the best whey's on the market sold. The other wheys, some met claim but a lot didn't.
young guns
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as far as companies not being about to reach 80% with just WPC, i think optimum is full of it. I've read in a few places that 80% is about the max you can get from just wpc, but that it's possible. i'll admitt, some of the places i read this were on supplement companies websites, but they don't sell wpc, so it makes no sense for them to claim that wpc can be 80% protein if it can't. i mean why would a company make it sound better than it is if it's a prodcut they are telling people is inferior to theirs anyway.
young guns
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just so its clear, i'm not disagreeing with the fact that optimum exceeded the label claims, just arguing their statment. and supplement companies are not the only source where i've read that it's possible to get 80%
