Yeah Ive been reading good things about a Havoc/Derma cycle...so Im going to start weeks 5 to 9 of my current cycle with Derma/phytotest/havoc/cla/lipoflame/cycle support/toco8 at the end and endoamp.
There are a FEW prohormones that accually have potential, but most are worthless. You need to research and find ones with lots of positive user feedback before becoming a "test dummy".