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BigCracker
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marcu_s said:
I think it's possible to not juice year round for the younger guys that are middleweight or lower.
And as far as cycle planning goes, it's probably based more on budget and availability than it is based on being pre thought out.
As an amature I can't think of one contest I did where I had more that $50 to my name on contest day. Everything I made went into prep all they way up until the day of the show. One show I did where I won my class and the overall, I didn't even have enough $$$ to buy a #1 at Mcdonalds the day after. My point being is that most guys base their Rx program on their income/availability as opposed to basing it on what's healthy and responsible.
Faizakafez
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no body noes they dont disclose there aas use.
also some juice heavly like maniacs
other juice less then some people on the boards
also some juice heavly like maniacs
other juice less then some people on the boards
slat1
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Here is the deal people.
Every bodybuilder is different.
I know for a fact that one of the top two bodybuilders takes 8 months "off" a year.
He does it to prolong his career and for health reasons.
I also have been told by some of the mass monsters that once you achieve their size that you don't need much any more. Your body can only get so big. Once you are there you don't need much.
I also am friendly with more then a few guys who have never used more then 750mg's of test a week.
From most of the guru's I have spoken too that work with superheavy's on the national circut I have not seen more then a gram of test.
I have not seen more then two grams of total AAS.
That said I am sure there are some guys who use obscene amounts of stuff.
I have not met them yet.
Every bodybuilder is different.
I know for a fact that one of the top two bodybuilders takes 8 months "off" a year.
He does it to prolong his career and for health reasons.
I also have been told by some of the mass monsters that once you achieve their size that you don't need much any more. Your body can only get so big. Once you are there you don't need much.
I also am friendly with more then a few guys who have never used more then 750mg's of test a week.
From most of the guru's I have spoken too that work with superheavy's on the national circut I have not seen more then a gram of test.
I have not seen more then two grams of total AAS.
That said I am sure there are some guys who use obscene amounts of stuff.
I have not met them yet.
Faizakafez
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slat1 said:
detailed version of my post
but great post!
I have a very good friend and training partner who is a Super Heavy weight National competer(rugid compition) finished in the top 10 in South beach and In Las Vegas.
He is not on cycle year round usally 4-5 months b-4 contest also you would be suprised...his cycles are normal, but swithcing coumpounds every 4 weeks, using faster things the closer to contest.
But getting to be a superheavy weight was a different story !
He is not on cycle year round usally 4-5 months b-4 contest also you would be suprised...his cycles are normal, but swithcing coumpounds every 4 weeks, using faster things the closer to contest.
But getting to be a superheavy weight was a different story !
Nemisis RR
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Every pro that I have been friendly with (except 1 genetic freak who has money so money is not an object) has basically said they took what ever they could afford. I personally know another olympia competitor and before he ever touched anything had a body at age 15 better than 99% of people busting their humps in the gym. I mention this as drugs will not make you a top level competitor without the genetics.
Paul Baker is over 300 lbs with abs and he doesn't juice all year.
It isn't the big guys that you would suspect of doing it but rather this damn middleweight/light heavyweight amateurs that are juiced to the gills year around.
Big guys don't really need juice year around to stay big, it is those smaller ones thinking they can surpass their genetic potential that do this shit.
It isn't the big guys that you would suspect of doing it but rather this damn middleweight/light heavyweight amateurs that are juiced to the gills year around.
Big guys don't really need juice year around to stay big, it is those smaller ones thinking they can surpass their genetic potential that do this shit.
BigCracker
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AAP said:
Ther may be some truth to this. Recently a client of mine was dropped by his middleweight USA competitor trainer because he questioned his Rx program he had him on. He had him taking 7 different compounds including T3, Tren, and GH and the guy had barely been training 2 years. When he told me what he was taking I about shit my pants!!! Apparently his old trainer did a similar cycle with higher doses for his contest prep. I myself never had access to drugs like Tren or GH when I competed. I was using 50 mgs of V EOD and clen and was usually the most ripped up guy in the show. Off season I would use up to 3000 mgs/wk for short periods, but that was primarily for size. 6-8 weeks out I'd cut the oil based drugs and start clen/V. I never used T3. I would've used growth but back then it was difficult to find and more expensive than I could afford.
I think you have to see what your genetic limit will be, or close to it. That being said, most guys who have the money, tend to overdue it when it comes to doses and different gear. I personally, go overboard and run high dose cycles about every 3-4 months, then back down and cruise with one or two compounds, switching to different stacks and diffferent compounds every few months to keep getting results and shocking the body into growth. Works for me, may not fit for someone else. You just gotta play around with different doses and compounds to see what works for you.
BigCracker
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gautho said:
Do you mind defining your typical blast mgs vs cruise mgs??? I understand if you don't want to divulge that personal 411, but some guys may consider 1000 mgs a wk cruising and 5000 mgs a wk blasting. I'm guessing those numbers are not typical of your program???
Sure man, no problem. I'll use test for example, i may blast at 1500mg/wk and when cruising i may run 250-500mg/wk. The blast might last for 16 weeks, and then i may cruise on 250mg/wk for 4-6 weeks before blasting again. The blasting always consists of multi compounds added. But, the cruising is to me my off cycle and i don't add any other compounds to it other than Gh and the necessary gh assessories. I don't cycle Gh, i just run Gh for as long as i can afford it and as long as its available, which is mostly all the time. I continue Gh straight up and thru contest, i just cut the dose down. Offseason, humalog and T4 is my Gh assessory of choice. Precontest when carbs are low, the slin is on hold until the carb loading phase, and at 3-4 weeks out the T4 is substituted for T3/clen.BigCracker said:
iron asylum
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I think chemicals are used year round at the pro levels. I think there are higher and lower levels throughout the year but I think it's a constant thing.
slat1
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Keep in mind every pro is different.
I'm 250 with 8 abs and a heavy cycle for me is 500mgs of test.
There are 180lbs guys who would laugh at that amount.
I guess it comes down to genetics and decision making when you are cycling.
Some guys love to use a lot while other use just enough to get their desired results.
I'm 250 with 8 abs and a heavy cycle for me is 500mgs of test.
There are 180lbs guys who would laugh at that amount.
I guess it comes down to genetics and decision making when you are cycling.
Some guys love to use a lot while other use just enough to get their desired results.
Cauliflower Ear
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i know plenty of pros down at golds that are on all the time... i would assume most are but i could very well be wrong...its just hard to believe that guys like ronnie or jay wouldnt deflate like a ballon if they come off...
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