Primobolan and/or Winstrol

[Faenya]

I have a few questions being a total novice at steroids. I've never used them, but have done extensive research on the internet about them as I'm really thinking about doing a cycle.

My main concern is I don't want to have steroids further effect my hairloss. I've had some, and since I've started with a variety of things including propecia and some other vitamins etc, it's been under control. I've done a lot of reading by Bill Roberts and he seemed very informed, yet when I'm reading some opinions on these boards it seems like they contradict some of what he says. Being an MD in cellular biology and whatnot, I'm more inclined to believe what he has to say on the topics unless his information is outdated and since then you guys have come across information which disproves what he's said. Amongst some of those things are: I read somewhere on these forums people were saying Test was better than Primobolan as far as a steroid for minimizing hairloss. He basically said Primobolan was milder for those kind of effects, and basically that taking propecia in conjunction with about 400mg a week would neutralize excessive DHT conversion.

Anyway, beyond just the hairloss thing, I wanted an opionion on the steroid itself. I don't know anyone who has used, I'm looking to gain about 10-15 pounds of lean, quality muscle. Primobolan sounded like a good choice for me since Deca sounded like it bulked you up/dealt with water retention, etc. Would 400mg of deca achieve my goal with proper diet/rest and whatnot? I'm currently about 5'19 160, I'm lean, not overly muscular and have a high metabolism.

Thanks

 

[todoveritas]

I had many of the same hairloss concerns when I first got into BB and for that reason did not use test until my mid-30's. I had very little hair loss using Deca only and Deca + Anavar cycles and was pretty pleased with my results.

 

[Faenya]

Thanks for the response. I don't plan to do excessive amounts, if I can obtain my goal with 1 cycle I'll be happy, but might do as many as 2, I'd have to wait and see how it goes. I'm just curious out of the steroids, what would help me achieve the goal I originally stated. That is, about 10-15 pounds of lean muscle, which I think would elimininate drugs such as test. Ideally I'd like to do a cycle of about 8-10 weeks, and preferably something mild. So probably Primobolan, Xandrolone and maybe Parabolan would work? How bad are the side effects of Winstrol, and how well would that drug fit into adding 10-15 pounds of lean muscle? I've read it's great for cutting

Thanks

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Well from what i have read here Test should be the base of all cycles. Primo is the cleanest or one of the cleanest around with less sides than most AAS. I am on my first cycle of primo test e and winny. I love it. i am not really putting on mass but am leaning up and i look a lot harder than I ever have

test e 500/wk
primo500/wk
winny50/day oral
provi 50 mg/day

amplify02 6 caps preworkout
lipoflame for cardio days
protien shake 50 g pre
protien 50 post
one hour later meat and rice
rest of calories and protien i get through out the day with shakes or salmon tuna something lean

 

[Faenya]

Yeah but for someone caring about the possibility of hairloss, and knowing I have that problem already, I dunno if I'd wanna load up on a cycle like that ;p Even though it sounds like a great cycle to put on some mass and keep it lean. I'm not a bodybuilder though, I'm just looking for a push for strength gains and maybe thicken me out a little/put on a lean 10ish pounds.

I guess part of it is trial and error, but the fact Primo sounds like it puts on quality lean muscle over time and has minimal side effects sounds like it could be a good choice for me. Would Primo/Winstrol be a waste of a stack since Primo doesn't really promote much water retention anyway, and what gains you would make would be lean anyway?

 

[nydj66]

1.) From my own personal experience, Primobolan - methenolone - was the only anabolic androgenic steroid that had a negative impact on my hairline. One of the limitations to researching generic steroid profiles is that different people react differently. You won't know how you react until you try.

Also, many here report that Winstrol - stanozolol is bad for accelerating MPB. Both Primobolan - methenolone - and Winstrol - stanozolol are more closely related to dihydrotestosterone than to testosterone so hair loss is a potential side effect. You definitely want to stay away from proviron.

2.) Gaining 10lb of weight on your first cycle is common, but gaining (and keeping) 10lb of lean muscle is no easy feat. You may not do it with 2 cycles.

3.) Any real world steroid cycle (one that leads to significant muscle gain) is going to require dosages high enough to send your endogenous testosterone production to zero. Therefore, you should incorporate at least 100mg/wk of testosterone to maintain normal bodily functions (mainly libido). Maybe a better option is to inject HCG regularly through your cycle which will produce endogenous testosterone AND keep your testes at full size and function.

4.) In my mind Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is a better choice for your stated goals (it's also much cheaper than Primobolan - methenolone - ). You could also include anavar but there are a few who complain of hairloss from that as well. Here's what I would do:

wk 1-15: Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 600mg/wk
wk 1-16: HCG 500IU twice weekly
wk 13-18: Anavar 50mg/day
wk 18-21: Clomid 50mg/day (or other preferred post cycle therapy)

You may not quite gain 10lb of lean muscle on that cycle but it'll be the closest you can come.

 

[georgie24]

I have a few questions being a total novice at steroids. I've never used them, but have done extensive research on the internet about them as I'm really thinking about doing a cycle.

My main concern is I don't want to have steroids further effect my hairloss. I've had some, and since I've started with a variety of things including propecia and some other vitamins etc, it's been under control. I've done a lot of reading by Bill Roberts and he seemed very informed, yet when I'm reading some opinions on these boards it seems like they contradict some of what he says. Being an MD in cellular biology and whatnot, I'm more inclined to believe what he has to say on the topics unless his information is outdated and since then you guys have come across information which disproves what he's said. Amongst some of those things are: I read somewhere on these forums people were saying Test was better than Primobolan as far as a steroid for minimizing hairloss. He basically said Primobolan was milder for those kind of effects, and basically that taking propecia in conjunction with about 400mg a week would neutralize excessive dihydrotestosterone conversion.

Anyway, beyond just the hairloss thing, I wanted an opionion on the steroid itself. I don't know anyone who has used, I'm looking to gain about 10-15 pounds of lean, quality muscle. Primobolan sounded like a good choice for me since Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - sounded like it bulked you up/dealt with water retention, etc. Would 400mg of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - achieve my goal with proper diet/rest and whatnot? I'm currently about 5'19 160, I'm lean, not overly muscular and have a high metabolism.

Thanks

use them BOTH!!!!!!

 

[boston789]

test/primo/var - best cycle I've done to date. Lets see how my current one pans out.

 

[Faenya]

Well, besides deca, what steroid has illicited the least complaints of hairloss? I've done research as to what researchers have said, I'm just curious what people's actual experiences have been. Oxandrolone and Primobolan were the 2 mildest beneath deca by someone I value as probably one of the most informed people on the science of steroids, so I was figuring that was reliable info.

 

[xrsist]

Thanks for the response. I don't plan to do excessive amounts, if I can obtain my goal with 1 cycle I'll be happy, but might do as many as 2, I'd have to wait and see how it goes. I'm just curious out of the steroids, what would help me achieve the goal I originally stated. That is, about 10-15 pounds of lean muscle, which I think would elimininate drugs such as test. Ideally I'd like to do a cycle of about 8-10 weeks, and preferably something mild. So probably Primobolan, Xandrolone and maybe Parabolan would work? How bad are the side effects of Winstrol, and how well would that drug fit into adding 10-15 pounds of lean muscle? I've read it's great for cutting

Thanks

or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6.......

 

[Indy]

1.) From my own personal experience, Primobolan - methenolone - was the only anabolic androgenic steroid that had a negative impact on my hairline. One of the limitations to researching generic steroid profiles is that different people react differently. You won't know how you react until you try.

Also, many here report that Winstrol - stanozolol is bad for accelerating MPB. Both Primobolan - methenolone - and Winstrol - stanozolol are more closely related to dihydrotestosterone than to testosterone so hair loss is a potential side effect. You definitely want to stay away from proviron.

2.) Gaining 10lb of weight on your first cycle is common, but gaining (and keeping) 10lb of lean muscle is no easy feat. You may not do it with 2 cycles.

3.) Any real world steroid cycle (one that leads to significant muscle gain) is going to require dosages high enough to send your endogenous testosterone production to zero. Therefore, you should incorporate at least 100mg/wk of testosterone to maintain normal bodily functions (mainly libido). Maybe a better option is to inject HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - regularly through your cycle which will produce endogenous testosterone AND keep your testes at full size and function.

4.) In my mind Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is a better choice for your stated goals (it's also much cheaper than Primobolan - methenolone - ). You could also include anavar but there are a few who complain of hairloss from that as well. Here's what I would do:

wk 1-15: Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 600mg/wk
wk 1-16: HCG 500IU twice weekly
wk 13-18: Anavar 50mg/day
wk 18-21: Clomid 50mg/day (or other preferred post cycle therapy)

You may not quite gain 10lb of lean muscle on that cycle but it'll be the closest you can come.

Good post but the last sentance in #3 is not true. While HCG allows the stay plump, your body still knows your test levels are above normal and they wont release it, but recovery after cycle will be much easier cause the HCG kept them from sitting dormant.

 

[instant.muscle]

test/Primobolan - methenolone - /Anavar - oxandrolone - - best cycle I've done to date. Lets see how my current one pans out.

what doses

 

[nydj66]

Good post but the last sentance in #3 is not true. While HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - allows the stay plump, your body still knows your test levels are above normal and they wont release it, but recovery after cycle will be much easier cause the HCG kept them from sitting dormant.

I wasn't aware of this but since your body has seperate hormones for testosterone production (LH) and testosterone release (FSH) and hcg only simulates LH, I can see where it makes sense.

 

[boston789]

what doses

I had 750mg ew test e, 900mg ew primo, 75mg ed var

 

[ElMatador]

primo + winny !

 

[instant.muscle]

I had 750mg ew testosterone enanthate, 900mg ew Primobolan - methenolone - , 75mg ed Anavar - oxandrolone -

jeez how many cc's was that a week? 3 for test and 9 for primo?

 

[boston789]

jeez how many cc's was that a week? 3 for test and 9 for Primobolan - methenolone - ?

Yup...it was alot.